Bush OKs Nevada nuclear dump.

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Bush (news - web sites) on Friday chose Nevada's remote Yucca Mountain as the site for a facility to store 70,000 tons of nuclear waste, prompting howls of protest and setting off a pitched battle with the state likely to end up in Congress.

``I consider the Yucca Mountain site qualified for application for a construction authorization for a repository,'' Bush told leaders of Congress in a letter informing them of his decision. ``Therefore, I now recommend the Yucca Mountain site for this purpose.''

Critics of the plan, including Nevada politicians, worry that radioactive material might seep into the ground, posing health risks for residents, and cite the risks of transporting nuclear waste over great distances.

The site in the Nevada desert 90 miles from Las Vegas would store 70,000 tons of radioactive material from the nation's 103 nuclear power plants for an estimated 10,000 years.

Nevada Gov. Kenny Guinn, a Republican, said he was ''outraged ... that this decision would go forward with so many unanswered questions.''

In a statement, Guinn pledged to ``exhaust every option and press our legal case to the limit.'' Nevada has raised a warchest of $5.4 million to fight the decision.

Nevada Democratic Sen. Harry Reid (news) reacted strongly against the decision, saying Bush ``betrayed our trust'' by breaking a campaign promise not to proceed without sound scientific study.

White House spokesman Ari Fleischer (news - web sites) disputed the charge, saying Bush's decision ``is based on sound science'' and came after decades of scientific study and a determination by Energy Secretary Spence Abraham that the site can be safely used.

Reid warned the plan would require the equivalent of 100,000 nuclear waste-laden trucks or 20,000 rail cars moving through 43 states from existing storage sites to Nevada.

'DIRTY BOMBS'

``President Bush has dropped the equivalent of 100,000 dirty bombs on America,'' Reid said.

Abraham replied: ``The waste is already closer to the people every day of the week than it is moving past the community for five or ten minutes. It's going to be transported anyway.''

By law, Nevada's state government has the right to reject Bush's decision. The battle would then end up in Congress, where a simple majority vote would decide the case within 90 days, no filibuster allowed.

The Nuclear Regulatory Commission must also approve a license for the site, which would likely face legal challenges.

House of Representatives Speaker Dennis Hastert, an Illinois Republican, approved Bush's recommendation as a better alternative than having nuclear waste ``scattered across the country in over 130 various sites.''

But his Democratic counterpart, Richard Gephardt, said the decision was driven by politics rather than sound science, and pledged to channel his party's efforts to ``overturn the administration's decision in Congress.''

A storage site has long been a political hot potato in Washington, with no state wanting the responsibility -- or burden -- of storing radioactive waste. A decision is overdue. The 1982 Nuclear Waste Policy Act mandated that a repository be ready to receive waste in 1998.

``The president recognizes that the law now gives Nevada the opportunity to disprove the recommendation and, if they do, then the Congress will have an opportunity to act. After two decades, the time has come to resolve this issue once and for all,'' Fleischer said.

GEOLOGICALLY STABLE SITE?

Spent nuclear fuel, high-level radioactive waste and excess plutonium are now stored at over 131 sites in 39 states.

Abraham, in a conference call with reporters, said radioactive waste is quickly surpassing storage capacity and makeshift storage methods will result if a single facility is not built. He pointed out an energy company has been negotiating with a Utah Indian tribe to store waste on reservation land.

``That's what's going to be the alternative if we don't move forward. It's going to go from a safe, secure intelligent national approach into a variety of makeshift approaches,'' he said.

The General Accounting Office (news - web sites), the main investigative arm of Congress, and the Energy Department's inspector general have both voiced concerns about Yucca, but Abraham said those concerns can be allayed while the process moves forward.

The Energy Department hopes to have Yucca site operational by 2010.

The Energy Department contended that Yucca Mountain is a geologically stable site, positioned in a closed groundwater basin and isolated on federally controlled land.

It says the repository would be housed about 1,000 feet underground, and located further from any metropolitan area than most of the less secure, temporary nuclear waste storage sites that exist today.

 

Martin

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well, he's gotta put it somewhere, doesn't he?

As long as proper precautions are taken, its nothing to be worried about.
 
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I would feel much safer if the waste was located at one site, and not at hundreds of sites around the country like it is now.
 

arod

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This is just nevada saying "not in my backyard" but the nevada desert is one of the best places to put it.
 

Logix

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No one was ever, ever, ever, ever going to live there anyway, so it makes sense to put it there, since it HAS to go somewhere. Case and point:


<< The repository would be housed about 1,000 feet underground, and located further from any metropolitan area than most of the less secure, temporary nuclear waste storage sites that exist today. >>

 

rival

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90% of the retards in nevada say dont put it here, but what the hell do they know, they see a nuclear in front of anything and everyone panics, it brings jobs to nevada, someones got to build and maintain the facility ya know...
 

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rival
Its already built. The problem is that below that barren desert you all refer to is a massive aquafer that supplies water to those who live in the desert southwest. Most people living in the desert rely on well water for their needs. The people of Nevada do have a problem justifying blocking this project on those grounds, insomuch as above ground and below ground neclear testing was going there from the 50's until the ban was put in place(not sure exact time that happened,I presume in the 70's).

I do not belive this is the right site, and I am apposedto it for this reason. It is geologically unsound an an alternative in southern New Mexico is far better. It is a massive salt cave that would keep it stored forever in a salt cacoon. It is geoligically safer and there is no ground water to contaminate.

Bush made another bad call. Get used to it.
 

b0mbrman

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<< I would feel much safer if the waste was located at one site, and not at hundreds of sites around the country like it is now. >>


Unless that country is Canada
 

silverpig

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Rocket + waste + sun =

Just gotta be super careful it don't blow up during launch though...
 
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<< rival
Its already built. The problem is that below that barren desert you all refer to is a massive aquafer that supplies water to those who live in the desert southwest. Most people living in the desert rely on well water for their needs. The people of Nevada do have a problem justifying blocking this project on those grounds, insomuch as above ground and below ground neclear testing was going there from the 50's until the ban was put in place(not sure exact time that happened,I presume in the 70's).

I do not belive this is the right site, and I am apposedto it for this reason. It is geologically unsound an an alternative in southern New Mexico is far better. It is a massive salt cave that would keep it stored forever in a salt cacoon. It is geoligically safer and there is no ground water to contaminate.

Bush made another bad call. Get used to it.
>>


It has only been partially built. It has to be made much larger. And why are you so convinced that it will lead to the contamination of the aquafers?
 

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<< I would feel much safer if the waste was located at one site, and not at hundreds of sites around the country like it is now. >>



Exactly! Plus, of all places to put it, the middle of the Nevada desert sounds like the most remote...

im2smrt4u
 

Tripleshot

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>>>And why are you so convinced that it will lead to the contamination of the aquafers? <<<

Uh, Gravity?


I live here bubba. you live in Illinois. Why don't we send it to you? Alot of you may not see the beauty of the desert like we do, but that doesn't give you the right to send your garbage there just because it seems convenient, or barren. It is a delecate ecosystem that reequires balence to maintain its survivability. The government fVcked it up good with above ground and below ground nuclear testing and that ground is hot for the next 15000 years. Do you believe eveything your government tells you? Or only what Bush tells you?

Nevada has a say in this, and Bush ignored it. Nevada has the right to challenge this decesion,and I expect they will to the fullest. Don't think that what you read today is cast in stone. Its not over by a long shot.

BTW, I concur with sending it t othe sun. You want to to be safe at launch,or at least isolated? Blast it from the Nevada desert,or some Atoll in the south atlantic. Cape Kennedy isn't the only place to launch a rocket,and Nasa has a fairly good track record over the years getting people and objects into space. Don't bore me with the accidents. They learned from them. We also learned from 3 mile island and Chernobal. But to listen to some of you, I guess you haven't learned anything but climbing up Bush's butt.

 
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<< Uh, Gravity? >>


Obviously you have no idea as to how the facility is being constructed.


<< live here bubba. you live in Illinois. Why don't we send it to you? >>


A lot of it is already here in very unsecure locations.


<< Do you believe eveything your government tells you? Or only what Bush tells you? >>


I surely don't believe anything that you say when you forget to take your medication.

EDIT: Heck, you thought that the entire facility had already been constructed. You are not very well informed.





 

charrison

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tripleshot,

You have valid points. No one wants this in their backyard, but it has to go somewhere. Nuceal power plants are rapidly running out of room to store wastes.

Nevada has full right to veto Bush's decision.

Nevada's veto can be overturned by the senate.

This is still far from a done deal.

The waste can be made into a non liquid material before it is stored.
 

SuperTool

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I believe Russia was offering to store the waste in Siberia. At the cost of lots of $Billions of course.
And since there is nuclear pollution all over the place from soviet era, it wouldn't even make a blimp on the radar.
 

rawoutput

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I like the whole shoot it all into space idea.. Although we'd have to make sure that it didn't accidentally explode in the atmosphere, that would sort of suck..
 

b0mbrman

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<< tripleshot,
You have valid points. No one wants this in their backyard, but it has to go somewhere. Nuceal power plants are rapidly running out of room to store wastes.
Nevada has full right to veto Bush's decision.
Nevada's veto can be overturned by the senate.
This is still far from a done deal.
The waste can be made into a non liquid material before it is stored.
>>


Didn't NV want it cuz they're getting mad money for it?
 

Balt

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The 'shoot it into space' would probably be ideal if it were economical. It's one of the first things most people think when they imagine ways to get rid of this stuff. I can only assume that it's not being done because there is a LOT of waste which would require a lot of rockets (hence a LOT of cash).

Oh, and like some mentioned, possible concerns about a failed launch. I think (though I know almost absolutely nothing about it) that anything you want to launch into space doesn't go straight up so much as it makes an arc to exit the atmosphere. That means even if you launched it from a remote site it could land in a very bad place.
 

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<< Rocket + waste + sun =

Just gotta be super careful it don't blow up during launch though...
>>



You've gotta make sure it actually goes somewhere after that, too. We wouldn't want it to come back and land is some other country. That would cause some problems.

The Yucca Mountain site is a good place for it. Nobody lives near it, it gets low amounts of rainfall, there is little risk of seismic activity damaging the capsules, and the rocks are good at absorbing radiation. I had to do a project about nuclear waste last year.
 

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<< 90% of the retards in nevada say dont put it here, but what the hell do they know, they see a nuclear in front of anything and everyone panics, it brings jobs to nevada, someones got to build and maintain the facility ya know... >>

That's completely ridiculous. Why haven't you edited this post by deleting everything yet?
 

Nocturnal

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My mom resides in NV now. She said if this goes through, shes moving back home. So this is GOOD in the fact that i'll get my mom to come back!

But, I wouldn't want them dumping it in my backyard just because it was "convienent" either.
 

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<< rival
Its already built. The problem is that below that barren desert you all refer to is a massive aquafer that supplies water to those who live in the desert southwest. Most people living in the desert rely on well water for their needs. The people of Nevada do have a problem justifying blocking this project on those grounds, insomuch as above ground and below ground neclear testing was going there from the 50's until the ban was put in place(not sure exact time that happened,I presume in the 70's).
>>



Surely you must be joking. There is no "massive aquifer" beneath the site; this is an area of closed basins with about 4" of rain per year. The Amaragosa Valley is the only area with even a remote chance of receiving water from the site, and they mainly support the project.

The extreme element talks as if liquified radioactive materials will instantly leak into a vast underground river. In reality, dry materials, placed in incredible durable, multiple barriers including 5-inch-thick stainless steel and corrosion-resistant nickel-moly alloys, will be placed in one of the most remote, dry sites in the country.



<< I do not belive this is the right site, and I am apposedto it for this reason. It is geologically unsound an an alternative in southern New Mexico is far better. It is a massive salt cave that would keep it stored forever in a salt cacoon. It is geoligically safer and there is no ground water to contaminate.

Bush made another bad call. Get used to it.
>>



And what alternative in southern New Mexico would that be? The WIPP site is in salt; it is designed for wastes with little thermal output. The stuff destined for Nevada has approximately 1000 times the thermal output, and as numerous tests in the past have shown, mixing salt repositories and high heat levels is a bad idea.

Please folks, don't base your opinions on the wild-eyed advocacy groups, or what you read in newspapers. Newspapers are constrained to tell the truth by the fear of being sued; here, there is no such fear, so they say whatever they damn well please.
 
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