Bush OKs new moon missions

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Genesys

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Originally posted by: Zebo
Welcome to newtonian physics and 1960's technology. What a waste.

What the governemnt need to focus on is biotech. From cloning organs to alshiemers desease. This will lead to real breakthoughs.

but we need to conquer a new planet so we have a place to 'deposit' our clones!
 

dahunan

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Originally posted by: Genesys
Originally posted by: Zebo
Welcome to newtonian physics and 1960's technology. What a waste.

What the governemnt need to focus on is biotech. From cloning organs to alshiemers desease. This will lead to real breakthoughs.

but we need to conquer a new planet so we have a place to 'deposit' our clones!

Maybe Bush thinks those supposed glass structures on the moon are remnants of the largest crack pipe ever built?

 

Genesys

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Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: Genesys
Originally posted by: Zebo
Welcome to newtonian physics and 1960's technology. What a waste.

What the governemnt need to focus on is biotech. From cloning organs to alshiemers desease. This will lead to real breakthoughs.

but we need to conquer a new planet so we have a place to 'deposit' our clones!

Maybe Bush thinks those supposed glass structures on the moon are remnants of the largest crack pipe ever built?

ROFL!

but the industrious drug user goes to home depot to make their crack pipe out of copper fittings from the plumbing department.
 

DanceMan

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Yep, good one!

I have high hopes for this, why look at what has changed since Bush proposed 15 billion for AIDS worldwide, uh whoops, we really didn't get that...

Okay, well then, we have the Clean Skies and Healthy Forests initatives that have really helped our environment, uh no, wait a minute, we don't have these either....but they will help his corporate buddies.

Well, it's a good thing that Bush defended and supported Americorps and the Citizen's Service Act, so that at least good things can be done here at home, uh, no wait, he didn't...

Folks, if you don't get the gist of this, this is nothing but an election year carrort. The stick is not far behind.

DanceMan
 

feralkid

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Jan 28, 2002
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Wow! 800 million dollars! A 5% budget increase? For up to five whole years?

Surely this generous endowment could fund mankind's long held dream to send a mission to Cleveland. Dare we dream of Terre Haute next?
 

CaptnKirk

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First we'll establish a permanently manned MoonBase (Alpha ?)
And then maybe we can send a mission to land on the Sun - We'll land at night !

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President Bush will announce plans next week to establish a permanent human settlement on the moon and to set a goal of eventually sending Americans to Mars, administration sources said last night.

The sources said Bush will announce a new "human exploration" agenda in Washington on Wednesday, six days ahead of the final State of the Union address of his term and just as his reelection campaign moves from the planning stage to its public phase.

The plans grew out of a White House group that was assigned to examine the mission of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration after the space shuttle Columbia disintegrated on Feb. 1, throwing the future of the space program into doubt.

Officials were unwilling to provide cost figures or details and would say only that Bush will direct the government to immediately begin research and development to establish a human presence or base on the moon, with the goal of having that lead to a manned mission to Mars. That endeavor could be a decade or more away, the officials said.

The last humans on the moon, the crew of Apollo 17, landed in 1972.

Even advocates within the administration said the new project is sure to be a difficult sell on Capitol Hill because of the huge costs at a time when the administration is projecting mammoth deficits for years to come, and had promised to cut the shortfall in half over the next five years.

Another objection is likely to be that the existing human space flight program is still struggling to recover from the shuttle accident. The shuttle fleet is grounded until at least September and is unable to resupply the U.S.-led international space station, which is currently relying on Russian vehicles and operating with a caretaker crew of two instead of the usual three. However, some space analysts have suggested that the very extent of the program's troubles may have helped generate a consensus around the notion that only a dramatic remedy would save it.

NASA's budget this year is about $15 billion, and officials there have been told to expect an increase in the budget the president will send to Congress in February.

Bush's father, President George H.W. Bush, proposed a sustained commitment to human exploration of the solar system -- with a return to the moon as a stepping stone to Mars -- in 1989, on the 20th anniversary of the first human landing on the moon. NASA came up with a budget-busting cost estimate of $400 billion, which sank the project.

The United States currently lacks the scientific and technical foundation required to send humans to Mars, and scientists still find it daunting just to land a robot there safely, as the events of the past week have shown.

Any new moon or Mars mission would take years to develop, scientists said.

Advocates of a return to the moon, already successfully conquered, have argued that a lunar initiative would be useful scientifically and envision the moon as a base for developing technologies and rehearsing the dispatch of humans to a much more distant and isolated landing zone on Mars.

With the Saturn 5 moon rockets, now spread across the land as museum pieces, astronauts could reach the moon in about three days, while a trip to Mars could take six months or more. Any worthwhile lunar initiative would require the development of a substantial rocket, some analysts have suggested.

Sources involved in the discussions said Bush and his advisers view the new plans for human space travel as a way to unify the country behind a gigantic common purpose at a time when relations between the parties are strained and polls show that Americans are closely divided on many issues.

The sources said Bush aides also view the initiative as a huge jobs program, and one that will stimulate business in the many parts of the country where space and military contractors are located.

"This is a boon for business and a boon for Texas," one official said, referring to the state where Bush was governor and the location of the Johnson Space Center, which is the home of mission control and the nerve center for human space flight.

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dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla
I can't believe everyone is so enthusiastic about this. I feel like I've just stepped into the Twilight Zone. What's the point of it all? There is no Soviet Union to beat, there is no space race. Why can't our President actually think of a better, more novel goal that will help people here on Earth?

Set a goal for total energy independence from foreign oil by 2020. Export this technology to friendly nations abroad and soon the despotic regimes of the Middle East will crumble from impotence. When they fall, develop a strategy to make sure free democracies replace them.

In case you haven't noticed, we're racing China now.
 

Miramonti

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Aug 26, 2000
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Its unbelievable how much money bush wastes.

And now this, basically just to stroke an ego.
 

MonstaThrilla

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla
I can't believe everyone is so enthusiastic about this. I feel like I've just stepped into the Twilight Zone. What's the point of it all? There is no Soviet Union to beat, there is no space race. Why can't our President actually think of a better, more novel goal that will help people here on Earth?

Set a goal for total energy independence from foreign oil by 2020. Export this technology to friendly nations abroad and soon the despotic regimes of the Middle East will crumble from impotence. When they fall, develop a strategy to make sure free democracies replace them.

In case you haven't noticed, we're racing China now.

Oh excuse me, but I totally didn't notice the national identity crisis we faced when China sent a man to space. Oh wait, there was none because they're almost a half century behind us.
 

Wolfdog

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Not to be the downer but how are we going to pay for all this? The country is already in the largest debt that is has been in history. More to be put on the good ol bank of us credit card? If everyone in the governmnet took a pay cut, starting with mr bush......
 

EagleKeeper

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Setting up a manned base will allow multiple things to happen.

Ability to jump start new technology.
Potential for economic development of minerals from either the moon and/or asteriods.
Ability to use as a launching platform for Mars flights. Less gravity to overcome.
Possible research station due to gravity and atmosphere.

10 - 20 years to accomplish this, but to paraphrase Armstrong a small step for mankind

Also, can provide additional work for the illegals ready to flood the borders:disgust:
 

feralkid

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Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

10 - 20 years to accomplish this, but to paraphrase Armstrong a small step for mankind







That's no paraphrase, that's a complete mis-quote!
 

EagleKeeper

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Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

10 - 20 years to accomplish this, but to paraphrase Armstrong a small step for mankind







That's no paraphrase, that's a complete mis-quote!

It was intended to be a paraphrase of "one small step .. one giant step for mankind"
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Setting up a manned base will allow multiple things to happen.

Ability to jump start new technology.
Potential for economic development of minerals from either the moon and/or asteriods.
Ability to use as a launching platform for Mars flights. Less gravity to overcome.
Possible research station due to gravity and atmosphere.

10 - 20 years to accomplish this, but to paraphrase Armstrong a small step for mankind

Also, can provide additional work for the illegals ready to flood the borders:disgust:

Those are certainly the potential benefits of such an endeavor. The race to the moon as well as the arms race both produced similar spinoffs that we now use on a day-to-day basis. So the Idea is a good one, the Investment is well warranted, but given the current Admins penchant for throwing borrowed money around, the looming SS/Retirement crisis(if indeed there is one), and growing Debt makes many wonder if the program can be supported.
 

Jadow

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I propose we do send manned missions to Mars ASAP. I think we should use death row inmates as the crew. That way if something bad happens, its no biggie.
 

tennisflip

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I think it's great news. Who else thinks this initiative was set forth because China plans to send a man to the moon? I think that has something to do with it.
 

DealMonkey

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Think of ALL the CHEESE!!!! Bush may lose votes in Wisconsin over this. Possibly California too.
 

mastertech01

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I think its wastefull personally. I think the mars probes are even more of a waste. They should stick with a space station for medical testing and military research and forget about the others. We need to make the big blue planet better and quit dreaming.
 

FrodoB

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Some people on this message forum are so pessimistic that it makes me wonder if some of them wake up every morning contemplating suicide. Sure we have our problems. But there are many good things happening, and this one of them. I'm not saying this applies to all that disagree, but there are many people here that refuse to acknowledge the accomplishments of this administration - or even the accomplishments of the country in general - because of their own distorted political views. For some of you the only way you want this country to move is backwards. And you won't be satisfied until we cease to be a superpower.
In itself it's obviously going to be a huge scientific achievement, but it will also bring about infinite scientific advances. It will keep us ahead of the world in science and technology. And it will give some future kids a sense of awe missing in today's society that will motivate them to want to succeed in school. This is what the American spirit is all about. I guess that spirit is absent in some people around here.
Obviously this will be a huge cost, but it's really an investment in the future of this country that I believe will undoubtedly pay for itself many times over.
 
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Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla
I can't believe everyone is so enthusiastic about this. I feel like I've just stepped into the Twilight Zone. What's the point of it all? There is no Soviet Union to beat, there is no space race. Why can't our President actually think of a better, more novel goal that will help people here on Earth?

Set a goal for total energy independence from foreign oil by 2020. Export this technology to friendly nations abroad and soon the despotic regimes of the Middle East will crumble from impotence. When they fall, develop a strategy to make sure free democracies replace them.

Why does there have to be "someone to beat" in order for exploration to be a worthwhile goal? I think the scientific and philsophical value of the idea is more than worth the potential costs (and really, 800 million dollars? That's SO little money. I wish they'd cut some welfare funding and give it to NASA instead!)

I'm not a shrubbery fan (still not) but this is a good move, and giving credit where it's due is the honest thing to do.

Jason
 

exp

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Meh. This sounds okay, I suppose, but I'd much rather NASA focus its efforts on R&D of an asterior detection & defense system. Such work may not be as glamorous as manned space missions, but it would be far more useful IMO.

 

HappyPuppy

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This is the non event of the 21st Century. Everyone knows it isn't going to happen, nor should it. We have too many problems at home to be spending that kind of money on fantasies.
 
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