Bush on Verge of breakthrough

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0,,-5634749,00.html

Bush: U.S. on Verge of Energy Breakthrough

Tuesday February 21, 2006 12:01 AM


AP Photo WIJR105< a0558-200602201635

By DEB RIECHMANN

Associated Press Writer

MILWAUKEE (AP) - Saying the nation is on the verge of technological breakthroughs that would ``startle'' most Americans, President Bush on Monday outlined his energy proposals to help wean the country off foreign oil.

Less than half the crude oil used by refineries is produced in the United States, while 60 percent comes from foreign nations, Bush said during the first stop on a two-day trip to talk about energy.

Some of these foreign suppliers have ``unstable'' governments that have fundamental differences with America, he said.

``It creates a national security issue and we're held hostage for energy by foreign nations that may not like us,'' Bush said.

Bush is focusing on energy at a time when Americans are paying high power bills to heat their homes this winter and have only recently seen a decrease in gasoline prices.

One of Bush's proposals would expand research into smaller, longer-lasting batteries for electric-gas hybrid cars, including plug-ins. He highlighted that initiative with a visit Monday to the battery center at Milwaukee-based auto-parts supplier Johnson Controls Inc.

During his trip, Bush is also focusing on a proposal to increase investment in development of clean electric power sources, and proposals to speed the development of biofuels such as ``cellulosic'' ethanol made from wood chips or sawgrass.

Energy conservation groups and environmentalists say they're pleased that the president, a former oil man in Texas, is stressing alternative sources of energy, but they contend his proposals don't go far enough. They say the administration must consider greater fuel-efficiency standards for cars, and some economists believe it's best to increase the gas tax to force consumers to change their driving habits.

During his visit to Johnson Controls' new hybrid battery laboratory, Bush checked out two Ford Escapes - one with a nickel-metal-hybrid battery, the kind that powers most hybrid-electric vehicles, and one with a lithium-ion battery, which Johnson Controls believes are the wave of the future. The lithium-ion battery was about half the size of the older-model battery. In 2004, Johnson Controls received a government contract to develop the lithium-ion batteries.

While Bush is highlighting his budget proposals to help wean America from foreign oil, the lab he visited is meeting a $28 million shortfall by cutting its staff by 32 people, including eight researchers.

``Our nation is on the threshold of new energy technology that I think will startle the American people,'' Bush said. ``We're on the edge of some amazing breakthroughs - breakthroughs all aimed at enhancing our national security and our economic security and the quality of life of the folks who live here in the United States.''

Later Monday, Bush visited the United Solar Ovonics Plant, which makes solar panels, in Auburn Hills, Mich., outside Detroit. ``This technology right here is going to help us change the way we live in our homes,'' Bush told reporters.

Bush said he was impressed with the growing commercial uses of solar energy.

``Roof makers will one day be able to make a solar roof that protects you from the elements and at the same time, powers your house,'' Bush said. ``The vision is this - that technology will become so efficient that you'll become a little power generator in your home, and if you don't use the energy you generate you'll be able to feed it back into the electricity grid.''

Rep. Ed Markey, D-Mass., questioned Bush's energy policies Monday, saying the administration also supports subsidies for luxury SUVs.

``This single tax subsidy dwarfs anything being done for hybrid batteries,'' Markey said in a news release.

On Tuesday, Bush plans to visit the Energy Department's National Renewable Energy Laboratory in Golden, Colo., to talk about speeding the development of biofuels.

As a complement to Bush's travels, six Cabinet officials are crisscrossing the nation this week, appearing at more than two dozen energy events in more than a dozen states.

So is he trying to push these through for the upcomming elections? or because he is honestly concerned about America's future?
 

EatSpam

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Originally posted by: RichardE

So is he trying to push these through for the upcomming elections? or because he is honestly concerned about America's future?

I don't know why he's talking about this stuff. I doubt he understands any of it, plus, as so many people note, he's not running for reselection. But one thing is certain, Bush doesn't care about America's future (or black people.)
 

techs

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Wow. I guess its a secret breakthrough. Must be the Department of Homeland Security listened in to someones phone calls. Heard some college kid talk about how he was getting gas from pizza. And Bush figured it was a scientific breakthrough.

Truth is Bush CUT funding for research into alternative energy sources last year.
 

Polish3d

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Originally posted by: EatSpam
Originally posted by: RichardE

So is he trying to push these through for the upcomming elections? or because he is honestly concerned about America's future?

I don't know why he's talking about this stuff. I doubt he understands any of it, plus, as so many people note, he's not running for reselection. But one thing is certain, Bush doesn't care about America's future (or black people.)


"Or black people."

How old are you Eat Spam? Honestly?
 

EatSpam

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Originally posted by: Frackal
Originally posted by: EatSpam
Originally posted by: RichardE

So is he trying to push these through for the upcomming elections? or because he is honestly concerned about America's future?

I don't know why he's talking about this stuff. I doubt he understands any of it, plus, as so many people note, he's not running for reselection. But one thing is certain, Bush doesn't care about America's future (or black people.)


"Or black people."

How old are you Eat Spam? Honestly?

No sense of humor. How old are you? 90? Jeez. :laugh:
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: Frackal
Originally posted by: EatSpam
Originally posted by: RichardE

So is he trying to push these through for the upcomming elections? or because he is honestly concerned about America's future?

I don't know why he's talking about this stuff. I doubt he understands any of it, plus, as so many people note, he's not running for reselection. But one thing is certain, Bush doesn't care about America's future (or black people.)


"Or black people."

How old are you Eat Spam? Honestly?

New Orleans was abandoned.
 

compuwiz1

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Originally posted by: Frackal
Originally posted by: EatSpam
Originally posted by: RichardE

So is he trying to push these through for the upcomming elections? or because he is honestly concerned about America's future?

I don't know why he's talking about this stuff. I doubt he understands any of it, plus, as so many people note, he's not running for reselection. But one thing is certain, Bush doesn't care about America's future (or black people.)


"Or black people."

How old are you Eat Spam? Honestly?


Careful there, he's Kanye West's next door neighbor.
 

Jhhnn

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I remember when he said we were going to Mars, and when he campaigned on the basis of restoring honor and dignity to the Whitehouse... buncha stuff about smaller govt, compassionate conservatism and bipartisanship, too...

If nothing else, we should all have learned to pay attention to what any Admin does, not to what they say... the difference can obviously be quite large...
 

totalcommand

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Originally posted by: RichardE


So is he trying to push these through for the upcomming elections? or because he is honestly concerned about America's future?

Well, what do you think?

If scientists were really near a groundbreaking discovery, I'm sure I would have heard more about it as a scientist.
 

MadRat

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We did have a breakthrough, the price for a barrel of oil has tripled since he took office.
 
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I certainly hope this is one of the rare occasions when Bush is actually speaking the truth.

Pardon the cynicism but I won't be waiting with bated breath.
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: dimensionOFdissension
I certainly hope this is one of the rare occasions when Bush is actually speaking the truth.

Pardon the cynicism but I won't be waiting with bated breath.

I tend to agree the we are on the close to a major change in the auto industry.MOre expensive gas and better batteries for plug in hybrids hybrids will be able to radically improve how far cars will go on a gallon of gas.
 

imported_Condor

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Originally posted by: RichardE
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0,,-5634749,00.html

Bush: U.S. on Verge of Energy Breakthrough

Tuesday February 21, 2006 12:01 AM


AP Photo WIJR105< a0558-200602201635

By DEB RIECHMANN

Associated Press Writer

MILWAUKEE (AP) - Saying the nation is on the verge of technological breakthroughs that would ``startle'' most Americans, President Bush on Monday outlined his energy proposals to help wean the country off foreign oil.

Less than half the crude oil used by refineries is produced in the United States, while 60 percent comes from foreign nations, Bush said during the first stop on a two-day trip to talk about energy.

Some of these foreign suppliers have ``unstable'' governments that have fundamental differences with America, he said.

``It creates a national security issue and we're held hostage for energy by foreign nations that may not like us,'' Bush said.

Bush is focusing on energy at a time when Americans are paying high power bills to heat their homes this winter and have only recently seen a decrease in gasoline prices.

One of Bush's proposals would expand research into smaller, longer-lasting batteries for electric-gas hybrid cars, including plug-ins. He highlighted that initiative with a visit Monday to the battery center at Milwaukee-based auto-parts supplier Johnson Controls Inc.

During his trip, Bush is also focusing on a proposal to increase investment in development of clean electric power sources, and proposals to speed the development of biofuels such as ``cellulosic'' ethanol made from wood chips or sawgrass.

Energy conservation groups and environmentalists say they're pleased that the president, a former oil man in Texas, is stressing alternative sources of energy, but they contend his proposals don't go far enough. They say the administration must consider greater fuel-efficiency standards for cars, and some economists believe it's best to increase the gas tax to force consumers to change their driving habits.

During his visit to Johnson Controls' new hybrid battery laboratory, Bush checked out two Ford Escapes - one with a nickel-metal-hybrid battery, the kind that powers most hybrid-electric vehicles, and one with a lithium-ion battery, which Johnson Controls believes are the wave of the future. The lithium-ion battery was about half the size of the older-model battery. In 2004, Johnson Controls received a government contract to develop the lithium-ion batteries.

While Bush is highlighting his budget proposals to help wean America from foreign oil, the lab he visited is meeting a $28 million shortfall by cutting its staff by 32 people, including eight researchers.

``Our nation is on the threshold of new energy technology that I think will startle the American people,'' Bush said. ``We're on the edge of some amazing breakthroughs - breakthroughs all aimed at enhancing our national security and our economic security and the quality of life of the folks who live here in the United States.''

Later Monday, Bush visited the United Solar Ovonics Plant, which makes solar panels, in Auburn Hills, Mich., outside Detroit. ``This technology right here is going to help us change the way we live in our homes,'' Bush told reporters.

Bush said he was impressed with the growing commercial uses of solar energy.

``Roof makers will one day be able to make a solar roof that protects you from the elements and at the same time, powers your house,'' Bush said. ``The vision is this - that technology will become so efficient that you'll become a little power generator in your home, and if you don't use the energy you generate you'll be able to feed it back into the electricity grid.''

Rep. Ed Markey, D-Mass., questioned Bush's energy policies Monday, saying the administration also supports subsidies for luxury SUVs.

``This single tax subsidy dwarfs anything being done for hybrid batteries,'' Markey said in a news release.

On Tuesday, Bush plans to visit the Energy Department's National Renewable Energy Laboratory in Golden, Colo., to talk about speeding the development of biofuels.

As a complement to Bush's travels, six Cabinet officials are crisscrossing the nation this week, appearing at more than two dozen energy events in more than a dozen states.

So is he trying to push these through for the upcomming elections? or because he is honestly concerned about America's future?

Answer: He isn't running for anything anymore. Clear enough?

 

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Frackal
Originally posted by: EatSpam
Originally posted by: RichardE

So is he trying to push these through for the upcomming elections? or because he is honestly concerned about America's future?

I don't know why he's talking about this stuff. I doubt he understands any of it, plus, as so many people note, he's not running for reselection. But one thing is certain, Bush doesn't care about America's future (or black people.)


"Or black people."

How old are you Eat Spam? Honestly?

New Orleans was abandoned.

Wow, oh wow, Eat Spam was making a joke and you come to defend him...you are delusional.
 

jpeyton

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I find it thoroughly hilarious when Bush talks science.
 

JEDIYoda

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
I find it thoroughly hilarious when Bush talks science.

We find it thouroughly hilarious when you post period....rofl...hahaaa
 

jpeyton

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Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Originally posted by: jpeyton
I find it thoroughly hilarious when Bush talks science.

We find it thouroughly hilarious when you post period....rofl...hahaaa

WOW U R 2TALY RIGHT J3DIYODA IM VERY FUNY LOL ROLFCOPTER
 

Lemon law

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The entire thesis of this thread is a joke.

Bush close to a breakthrough?????????????

What is meant is that despite spending cuts some science types are closer to making some technologies
economically feasable-------Bush himself could not breaktrough a paper bag.---but wants the credit if someone
else does.

Given that science writing almost always exagerates---puffing even minor work into groundbreaking discoveries.
Scientists are the group most distrustful of these writings.

If we want to be energy independent, politicians with vision make funding decisions long term. Now that the pressure is
on, Bush seeks a savoir in science writers, who will puff minor discoveries into the energy vision Bush should have had years ago.
 

Strk

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I say it sounds like BS, but that's just me. While it is mostly a market thing, it would be nice if he would put an emphasis on diesels. The Honda Civic diesel is a much better car than its gas counterpart
 

Uhtrinity

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As much as a breakthrough as his push to goto Mars? (/crickets)

He is just trying to build popular support to avoid becoming a lame duck. Actually it could be funny (and fortunate) if the moderate republicans could start setting policy making him mostly irrevalent for the rest of his term.
 

techs

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The headline should have read:
"Bush deflects criticism of high gas prices by promising nothing"
 

rchiu

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Originally posted by: MadRat
We did have a breakthrough, the price for a barrel of oil has tripled since he took office.

Yeah, and the oil companies are not doing too shabby either.
 

thraashman

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I seem to remember reading a list of cuts the newest budget made and one big cut was to research into alternative energy sources. If only I could remember where I saw that list.
 

imported_Condor

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Originally posted by: Lemon law
The entire thesis of this thread is a joke.

Bush close to a breakthrough?????????????

What is meant is that despite spending cuts some science types are closer to making some technologies
economically feasable-------Bush himself could not breaktrough a paper bag.---but wants the credit if someone
else does.

Given that science writing almost always exagerates---puffing even minor work into groundbreaking discoveries.
Scientists are the group most distrustful of these writings.

If we want to be energy independent, politicians with vision make funding decisions long term. Now that the pressure is
on, Bush seeks a savoir in science writers, who will puff minor discoveries into the energy vision Bush should have had years ago.

Good effort, but forty years of leadership by our liberial intelligentsia is what has put us in this mess. The energy crisis started to be publicly known in 1973. Count the Dims who didn't do jack all since then and tell me why this is an all Bush issue.

 
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