Bush questions Edwards' qualifications

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: thuper

Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla


Looks like Cheney wasn't Bush's first choice either.

Bush didn't even pick Cheney. Cheney chose himself.

Bush had a team of people that were supposed to pick him a V.P. candidate. The leader of this team was Cheney, CEO of Haliburton. At the end of their work, Cheney decided he was the best pick.
Cheney then made a deal with Haliburton to leave with a $34 million retirement package instead of having to quit the company.

Dave Barry has a great little quote about this.

"To pick his VP candidate, Bush picked veteran political insider, Dick "Dick" Cheney who, after an exhaustive search including every corner of his house...settled on himself."

Something along those lines, you get the gist of it

 

[Riprorin]

"The bigger the lie...". Is this what you libs call "lies"?

 

[sMiLeYz]

Originally posted by: Harvey

"Dick Cheney can be president," Bush said briskly.

I'm not sure which bothers me more, Mr. Haliburton as president, or four more years of Bush-lite. Cheyney isn't a dummy, but he's not what I would call well motivated, and Bush is an intellectual featherweight who's being lead around by Cheyney and the rest of the neo-cons, along with the dogmatic religious right.

Either one is a major screw for the U.S. :frown:

If both Bush and Cheney get shot down... next in line is Tom DeLay. Thats absolutely scares the crappers out of me.

 

[MonstaThrilla]

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz

Originally posted by: Harvey

"Dick Cheney can be president," Bush said briskly.

I'm not sure which bothers me more, Mr. Haliburton as president, or four more years of Bush-lite. Cheyney isn't a dummy, but he's not what I would call well motivated, and Bush is an intellectual featherweight who's being lead around by Cheyney and the rest of the neo-cons, along with the dogmatic religious right.

Either one is a major screw for the U.S. :frown:

If both Bush and Cheney get shot down... next in line is Tom DeLay. Thats absolutely scares the crappers out of me.

Its Dennis Hastert. DeLay is the "House majority leader".

 

[arsbanned]

And the oh so mature "you dumb internet nerd loser!" insults start being hurled...

Yeah, Ultra ASsh..er..quiet likes to hurl insults at people who put him down on the mat hard. It's his only defense you see.

 

[Cobalt]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
"The bigger the lie...". Is this what you libs call "lies"?

Is that the best defense you can come up with after being slapped in the face with something that contradicts your beloved administrations faulty attacks?

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: cobalt

Originally posted by: Riprorin
"The bigger the lie...". Is this what you libs call "lies"?

Is that the best defense you can come up with after being slapped in the face with something that contradicts your beloved administrations faulty attacks?

He was elected Governor on November 8, 1994, with 53.5 percent of the vote. He became the first Governor in Texas history to be elected to consecutive four-year terms when he was re-elected on November 3, 1998, with 68.6 percent of the vote.

He ran the second biggest state in the country. That's pretty substantial experience.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: daveshel
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=615&e=2&u=/nm/20040707/pl_nm/campaign_bush_dc

When Bush became president, he had 2 years' experience as the Governor of Texas, and no federal experience. So where does he get off saying someone whe has served as a senator for 6 years lacks experience?

Where do you get 2 years? He was elected to consecutive 4 year terms.

 

[MonstaThrilla]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: cobalt

Originally posted by: Riprorin
"The bigger the lie...". Is this what you libs call "lies"?

Is that the best defense you can come up with after being slapped in the face with something that contradicts your beloved administrations faulty attacks?

He was elected Governor on November 8, 1994, with 53.5 percent of the vote. He became the first Governor in Texas history to be elected to consecutive four-year terms when he was re-elected on November 3, 1998, with 68.6 percent of the vote.

He ran the second biggest state in the country. That's pretty substantial experience.

As has been pointed out, the Governorship of Texas, by Texas Constitution, is the 5th most powerful position in the state. And are Gray Davis and Arnold automatically qualified by their experience because they were governors of California (where they actually DO hold the most powerful state office)? And lastly, the consecutive four-year terms thing isn't that big of a deal since four year terms were only instituted in the 70's.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

please, Bush has been hand-holded throughout every political position he has ever held. If you really believe that he is capable of running this country without the help of his aides then you need to lay off the crack pipe.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: cobalt

Originally posted by: Riprorin
"The bigger the lie...". Is this what you libs call "lies"?

Is that the best defense you can come up with after being slapped in the face with something that contradicts your beloved administrations faulty attacks?

He was elected Governor on November 8, 1994, with 53.5 percent of the vote. He became the first Governor in Texas history to be elected to consecutive four-year terms when he was re-elected on November 3, 1998, with 68.6 percent of the vote.

He ran the second biggest state in the country. That's pretty substantial experience.

As has been pointed out, the Governorship of Texas, by Texas Constitution, is the 5th most powerful position in the state. And are Gray Davis and Arnold automatically qualified by their experience because they were governors of California (where they actually DO hold the most powerful state office)? And lastly, the consecutive four-year terms thing isn't that big of a deal since four year terms were only instituted in the 70's.

I think its a big deal when he went from getting 53.5% of the vote to 68.6%. Clearly, voters were happy with his performance in his first term.

 

[NeoV]

yes, and there is much success in Texas under his leadership to cite.....um.....wait a second.....let me keep looking.........well, no, really, there isn't a whole lot he did as Gov to be overly proud of....

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: sapiens74
I get 2 oil cronies or a billionare and trial lawyer

How sad is this election?

Worse yet, he's a personal injury trial attorney.

Damn him for representing a little girl who had over half her intesting ripped out by a faulty swimming pool suction drain!!

DAMN HIM TO HELL!!!

"It seems to me that only trial lawyers are experienced at reading fetal monitor strips and are able to tell me exactly when infants became asphyxic," or deprived of oxygen, said Dr. William J. West Jr., an obstetrician and the president of First MSA Inc., which administers health care savings accounts.

In 1985, a 31-year-old North Carolina lawyer named John Edwards stood before a jury and channeled the words of an unborn baby girl.

Referring to an hour-by-hour record of a fetal heartbeat monitor, Mr. Edwards told the jury: "She said at 3, `I'm fine.' She said at 4, `I'm having a little trouble, but I'm doing O.K.' Five, she said, `I'm having problems.' At 5:30, she said, `I need out.' "

But the obstetrician, he argued in an artful blend of science and passion, failed to heed the call. By waiting 90 more minutes to perform a breech delivery, rather than immediately performing a Caesarean section, Mr. Edwards said, the doctor permanently damaged the girl's brain.

"She speaks to you through me," the lawyer went on in his closing argument. "And I have to tell you right now ? I didn't plan to talk about this ? right now I feel her. I feel her presence. She's inside me, and she's talking to you."

I wonder if Edwards can speak for all unborn babies/fetus/goo?

CkG

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: UltraQuiet

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
The RNC is gagging on its own hypocrisy...

Maybe we should reprint some of the great things Kerry said about Edwards during the primaries then decide who the hypocrite really is.

Edwards was not Kerry's first or even second choice. But, after being snubbed by his first choice and saying repeatedly he just wasn't comfortable with Edwards, a poll was taken and, predictably, Kerry did the floor exercise move he has become famous for.

Hmmmm, perhaps you should read this: Transcript: McCain on Kerry

SNOW: Well, you?re absolutely right though, it?s going to be fun to see. Now John Kerry, is it true that John Kerry asked you to be his vice president?

McCAIN: Uh, no. No, it was never offered.

SNOW: It was never offered. So, it may have been discussed elliptically, but never flat out request.

McCAIN: Never was an offer, no.

SNOW: When you had conversations, did you think it was a little weird that he?d be calling you, even in general terms about this sort of thing?

McCAIN: Well, he and I have been friends for a number of years because of our efforts on POWs and MIAs which was a very hot issue back in the early 90?s, a lot of people have forgotten about it, but it was a- and we worked together to try to resolve that issue and I appreciate the work that he did on it. And, so it?s not unusual for us to have conversations.

SNOW: Right. But, so- I want to just lay to rest once and for all: never approached you, never hinted that he wanted to talk to you about being vice president. All that kind of stuff was made up.

McCAIN: Well, I cannot attest to that. All I can tell you is my conversations with him were private conversations, but he never offered it.

So I guess all that blather about Kerry's "second choice" is pure crap right UQ? It's OK, you can admit it.

 

[MonstaThrilla]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: sapiens74
I get 2 oil cronies or a billionare and trial lawyer

How sad is this election?

Worse yet, he's a personal injury trial attorney.

Damn him for representing a little girl who had over half her intesting ripped out by a faulty swimming pool suction drain!!

DAMN HIM TO HELL!!!

"It seems to me that only trial lawyers are experienced at reading fetal monitor strips and are able to tell me exactly when infants became asphyxic," or deprived of oxygen, said Dr. William J. West Jr., an obstetrician and the president of First MSA Inc., which administers health care savings accounts.

In 1985, a 31-year-old North Carolina lawyer named John Edwards stood before a jury and channeled the words of an unborn baby girl.

Referring to an hour-by-hour record of a fetal heartbeat monitor, Mr. Edwards told the jury: "She said at 3, `I'm fine.' She said at 4, `I'm having a little trouble, but I'm doing O.K.' Five, she said, `I'm having problems.' At 5:30, she said, `I need out.' "

But the obstetrician, he argued in an artful blend of science and passion, failed to heed the call. By waiting 90 more minutes to perform a breech delivery, rather than immediately performing a Caesarean section, Mr. Edwards said, the doctor permanently damaged the girl's brain.

"She speaks to you through me," the lawyer went on in his closing argument. "And I have to tell you right now ? I didn't plan to talk about this ? right now I feel her. I feel her presence. She's inside me, and she's talking to you."

I wonder if Edwards can speak for all unborn babies/fetus/goo?

CkG

So this is the new attack angle? His courtroom transcripts from 1985?

If this is all you repugs have, its over. Hold the inauguration today!

 

[DeeKnow]

Originally posted by: daveshel
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=615&e=2&u=/nm/20040707/pl_nm/campaign_bush_dc

When Bush became president, he had 2 years' experience as the Governor of Texas, and no federal experience. So where does he get off saying someone whe has served as a senator for 6 years lacks experience?

you forget he had known Ken Lay for years and years.....

(whaddya mean that doesn't count??)

 

[Ldir]

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
please, Bush has been hand-holded throughout every political position he has ever held. If you really believe that he is capable of running this country without the help of his aides then you need to lay off the crack pipe.

Dubya has been hand-held throughout his life. He could not run a bingo game without help. He failed at almost everything he did.

 

[Ldir]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: thuper

Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla


Looks like Cheney wasn't Bush's first choice either.

Bush didn't even pick Cheney. Cheney chose himself.

Bush had a team of people that were supposed to pick him a V.P. candidate. The leader of this team was Cheney, CEO of Haliburton. At the end of their work, Cheney decided he was the best pick.
Cheney then made a deal with Haliburton to leave with a $34 million retirement package instead of having to quit the company.

Dave Barry has a great little quote about this.

"To pick his VP candidate, Bush picked veteran political insider, Dick "Dick" Cheney who, after an exhaustive search including every corner of his house...settled on himself."

Something along those lines, you get the gist of it

Geppetto was not comfortable letting someone else pull president Pinocchio's strings.

 

[tcsenter]

Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla
He had 6 years. Re-elected in 1998 after beating Ann Richards in 1994.

Correct, and was re-elected by a "smashing" margin, according to his profile at the Texas State Library & Archives Commission website, making Bush the only Texas governor elected to consecutive four-year terms.

Mind you, by the Texas Constitution, the office of Governor is the 5th most powerful office in the state...

lol! You were on a roll there for a moment, then had to blow it with this kind of nonsense. :roll:

It isn't "by the Texas Constitution", it is by the zaney notions of Molly Ivins that the highest executive office in Texas is actually the fifth most powerful statewide. There is nothing in the Texas Constitution from which this absurd notion might be "divined".

To emphasize the lunacy of Ivin's assertion, Ivins claims the offices 'deemed by the Constitution' to be more important than Governor are the Lieutenant Governor, Secretary of State, Comptroller, Land Commissioner, and Attorney General (in order of importance). That must be why the Texas Constitution lists these offices in a very similar order when it sets-forth the constitution of the Executive Branch, with the exception of Governor being listed first:

Article 4 - EXECUTIVE DEPARTMENT

Section 1 - OFFICERS CONSTITUTING THE EXECUTIVE DEPARTMENT

The Executive Department of the State shall consist of a Governor, who shall be the Chief Executive Officer of the State, a Lieutenant Governor, Secretary of State, Comptroller of Public Accounts, Commissioner of the General Land Office, and Attorney General.

And proceeds to set-forth the duties, functions, and responsibilities of each office in this order. In terms of executive powers and duties, the governor is the most powerful in the state, period. By what other standard should the "power" of the highest executive officer be judged? Legislative power? Judicial power?

Anyone is free to subjectively quantify or rate the importance of an office's functions or responsibilities, such as assigning more importance to the functions of a garbage collector than those of a govenor, or fashion some looney formula which extrapolates gubernatorial 'power' from the number of days a legislature is in session, then add the value assigned to these variables into a ranking of the state's most importance offices. Perfectly fine.

But what they are not entitled to is their own facts by claiming this 'hierarchy' is determined "by the constitution" when in reality is "by the" nonsensical ramblings of a leftwing fruitcake (who 'coincidentally' happens to oppose a certain person who held the office being trivialized).

Now which is more commensurate with the offices of President and Vice President of the [Executive Banch] United States, a governor or a trial lawyer? Hmmm....

Let's see, governor's duties are to...

execute the laws of the state, extradite fugitives from justice, serve as commander in chief of the military forces of the state, declare martial law, appoint numerous state officials (with the consent of the Senate), fill vacancies in state and district offices (except vacancies in the legislature), call special elections to fill vacancies in the legislature, fill vacancies in the United States Senate until an election can be held, submit the budget to the legislature, and serve as ex officio member of several state boards.

The legislative powers of the governor are to call special sessions of the legislature and submit the topics for legislation at such sessions, recommend measures, and submit emergency matters for consideration of the legislature at any time, sign or veto legislative acts, and veto specific items in itemized, general appropriation bills. The judicial powers are to grant or deny recommendations for clemency and remissions of fines and forfeitures made by the Board of Pardons and Paroles;qv revoke a parole or conditional pardon and grant one thirty-day reprieve in a capital case at his own discretion; and, with the consent of the legislature, grant reprieves, commutations of punishment, and pardon in cases of treason.

Trail lawyers duties are to....sue people and get rich.

I think we have teh winner.

 

[conjur]

Uh, tcsenter? What was Edwards' last position? Trial lawyer, or Senator?

If you want to go back to prior resume history, we can bring up Bush's myriad business failures.

 

[tcsenter]

Uh, tcsenter? What was Edwards' last position? Trial lawyer, or Senator?

Quite right, I forgot to mention that. While better than a trial lawyer, holding legislative office is still a stretch compared with governor in the context of what better qualifies one to hold an executive office.

If you want to go back to prior resume history, we can bring up Bush's myriad business failures.

We could, but then oil and gas is inherently a risky business; quite a bit different in terms of risk from dragging people into court and shaking them down, one of the more sure-fire ways of turning a buck ever devised.

 

[DealMonkey]

Historically, most presidents have been former governors rather than senators; however I personally don't see much difference in terms of political experience. Both the incoming Bush and the incoming VP candidate have about the same amount of political experience. Belittling congressional experience seems disingenuous at best...

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: tcsenter

Uh, tcsenter? What was Edwards' last position? Trial lawyer, or Senator?

Quite right, I forgot to mention that. While better than a trial lawyer, holding legislative office is still a stretch compared with governor in the context of what better qualifies one to hold an executive office.

LOL! Back-pedaling and then changing direction, eh? And you still have an incredibly lame foundation for your claim.

If you want to go back to prior resume history, we can bring up Bush's myriad business failures.

We could, but then oil and gas is inherently a risky business; quite a bit different in terms of risk from dragging people into court and shaking them down, one of the more sure-fire ways of turning a buck ever devised.

I think Bush's drinking and drug problems were more to blame than any "risk" in the business ventures.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

George W. Bush has failed at everything in his life, including his presidency. If he shares anything in common with his father, it will be 4 years.

 

[tcsenter]

LOL! Back-pedaling and then changing direction, eh? And you still have an incredibly lame foundation for your claim.

What back pedaling? My point remains untarnished. While legislative office is surely better than a trial lawyer as prior experience qualifying one to hold the top executive branch office, it is a far cry from governor as commensurate experience qualifying one to hold the exact same position in the executive branch of a larger political unit (state vs. country). You do understand the difference between the executive and legislative branches of government, yes?

I think Bush's drinking and drug problems were more to blame than any "risk" in the business ventures.

Ok, well, whatever you "think"....