Bush vetoes expansion of kids' health insurance program.

[CADsortaGUY]

RiW - "general welfare" does not mean paying for healthcare. If it did than one could make the argument that ANYTHING done by the Feds is "general welfare". We've been over this before and it's still wrong every time you and your types use it to defend your pet projects.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: Pabster
Free markets are the key to our Capitalist system.

Removing a pillar at a time under guise of "for the public good" is unconscionable.

Competition is good in all areas, and health care is no exception.

what does this bill have to do with the free market?

what competition would there be without this bill? kids can't pay for their own health care with their paper route money.

 

[ericlp]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Pabster
I smell something...

Considering where your head is this is no surprise.

Excellent!

I love how the bush supporters still faithfully fight to the end... It's utterly amazing!

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: loki8481
what does this bill have to do with the free market?

what competition would there be without this bill? kids can't pay for their own health care with their paper route money.

I was speaking to health care in general, not specifically SCHIP.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: ericlp
Excellent!

I love how the bush supporters still faithfully fight to the end... It's utterly amazing!

And I love how the trolls come out days after the fact to high-five their buddies.

Some of us don't need to look at poll numbers each morning to make up our convictions.

 

[ericlp]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: ericlp
Excellent!

I love how the bush supporters still faithfully fight to the end... It's utterly amazing!

And I love how the trolls come out days after the fact to high-five their buddies.

Some of us don't need to look at poll numbers each morning to make up our convictions.

No... You just keep voting for pro life.... So uneducated mothers with only a few bucks to their name are forced to have kids...

Now what? You don't want to pay for it's health care? What would Jesus do? Sheesh, Talk about Flip flopper's!!!

What's the difference between veto this then veto stem cell research? Not much... It's just bush getting slammed for being a shrill... I am enjoying every minute!


Geee, sorry I don't log in here every day to defend my buddies! hahahahaha Other wise I would have done it sooner!

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY


They are already being helped. This is an EXTENTION and EXPANSION. Are there things that can be fixed in the current system? Sure, but that can be done without a HUGE expansion.

As to you all too predictable Iraq heart string argument - They are not related - especially since one is Constitutional and one is not IMO. The Feds have overstepped their bounds and need to be reigned in.

I don't agree with your stance. The way to socialized medicine is through small incremental expansions - which this one is. It's the whole boiling of a frog thing...
One of the biggest problems I see is that people have been sinking further into the entitlement mentality of socialism - it needs to be reversed if our nation is to prosper in the future.

So what if this is an extension and expansion? What program isn't. Are you saying the Defense budget should be locked at xyz billion or a set number of fighter jets? If there is a need, the government need to spend the money.

This is not about socialism, this is about the government's priority. Iraq IS related to this spending, they are all US government spending, and plenty of people do not agree with the priority of this government on the spending.

I don't know about you but I don't think providing kids from family with $41k household income or under health insurance "entitlement". I don't see you people talking about "entitlement" when government hand rich people bigger tax cut, why is it when lower income people get some break that's entitlement?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: rchiu

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY


They are already being helped. This is an EXTENTION and EXPANSION. Are there things that can be fixed in the current system? Sure, but that can be done without a HUGE expansion.

As to you all too predictable Iraq heart string argument - They are not related - especially since one is Constitutional and one is not IMO. The Feds have overstepped their bounds and need to be reigned in.

I don't agree with your stance. The way to socialized medicine is through small incremental expansions - which this one is. It's the whole boiling of a frog thing...
One of the biggest problems I see is that people have been sinking further into the entitlement mentality of socialism - it needs to be reversed if our nation is to prosper in the future.

So what if this is an extension and expansion? What program isn't. Are you saying the Defense budget should be locked at xyz billion or a set number of fighter jets? If there is a need, the government need to spend the money.

This is not about socialism, this is about the government's priority. Iraq IS related to this spending, they are all US government spending, and plenty of people do not agree with the priority of this government on the spending.

I don't know about you but I don't think providing kids from family with $41k household income or under health insurance "entitlement". I don't see you people talking about "entitlement" when government hand rich people bigger tax cut, why is it when lower income people get some break that's entitlement?

Exactly - what isn't. That is our problem - nothing ever goes away or gets smaller - they just spend spend spend regardless of results.

Yes, providing for kids healthcare is entitlement. The fact that their parent's income falls below X entitles them to what the Feds are providing. I don't have a problem with SOME help - especially for kids but when it's expected by more and more with higher and higher incomes then I start having problems with it. If you look back in the archives you'll see how far I'd go with covering kids.(you'll have to look back a few years ) However, we need to see POSITIVE results before expanding entitlements and there should be hard limits on those who qualify so there isn't an income creep - which this seems to be.

Oh, and the gov't didn't only "hand rich people bigger tax cut". They cut ALL taxes for those who pay income tax. It put many people in the ZERO tax bracket and lowered it for all others. You can whine about "the rich" "getting" more of a cut but they also pay more which I and many others think is BS. Everyone should pay the same rate on their labor, except those that fall below a certain income level - IF we are going to tax labor.(which I don't believe we should). But that is a whole different topic.

 

[KK]

The only free healthcare the government should provide is abortions. What kind of parents have children knowing full well that that they can not support them?

 

[senseamp]

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10...washington&oref=slogin

G.O.P. Contenders Endorse Health Insurance Veto

By PATRICK HEALY
Published: October 5, 2007

The four leading Republican presidential candidates have aligned themselves with President Bush?s veto on Wednesday of an expanded health insurance program for children, once again testing the political risk of appearing in lock step with a president who has low approval ratings and some critics of the veto within their party.

They are all on the wrong side of this, and Democrats need to keep this alive until election night. I hope the Republicans don't override the veto and keep the issue alive till Hillary gets elected and then an even more expanded version can be made law.

 

[BarneyFife]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: Genx87
These are the same people that cant grasp the bigger the govt gets, the wider the disparity between rich and poor gets.

Under the big expansion of government under FDR, the gap between poor and rich was reduced the most it has been in the last century IIRC.

Under the modern republican era in the last 25 years, the gap has widened, and especially so under the current president.

In fact, the top 5% have gone from owning only 50% of the nation's wealth to over 75% in the last 30 years.

You just make things up, don't you, Genx?

Dude got owned big time LOL

 

[BarneyFife]

Originally posted by: loki8481
if "socialized medicine" is good enough for the army, the entire congress, and the white house, you'd think it'd be good enough for kids.

Govt health insurance is great. I know. I have it.

 

[techs]

Thread inspired my new sig.
See below.....
Thanks to either Steven Colbert or Jon Stewart for the inspiration.

 

[senseamp]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/...html?hpid=opinionsbox1

So for Bush to get religion on fiscal responsibility at this late date is, well, a joke. And for him to make his stand on a measure that would have provided health insurance to needy children is a punch line that hasn't left many Republicans laughing.
Bush's veto Wednesday of a bipartisan bill reauthorizing the State Children's Health Insurance Program was infuriatingly bad policy. An estimated 9 million children in this country are not covered by health insurance -- a circumstance that should shock the consciences of every American. Democrats and Republicans worked together to craft an expansion of an existing state-run program that would have provided coverage for about 4 million children who currently don't have it.

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: senseamp
http://www.washingtonpost.com/...html?hpid=opinionsbox1

So for Bush to get religion on fiscal responsibility at this late date is, well, a joke. And for him to make his stand on a measure that would have provided health insurance to needy children is a punch line that hasn't left many Republicans laughing.
Bush's veto Wednesday of a bipartisan bill reauthorizing the State Children's Health Insurance Program was infuriatingly bad policy. An estimated 9 million children in this country are not covered by health insurance -- a circumstance that should shock the consciences of every American. Democrats and Republicans worked together to craft an expansion of an existing state-run program that would have provided coverage for about 4 million children who currently don't have it.

Wow. Isn't that the newspaper owned by the Rev. Moon?

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: senseamp
http://www.washingtonpost.com/...html?hpid=opinionsbox1

So for Bush to get religion on fiscal responsibility at this late date is, well, a joke. And for him to make his stand on a measure that would have provided health insurance to needy children is a punch line that hasn't left many Republicans laughing.
Bush's veto Wednesday of a bipartisan bill reauthorizing the State Children's Health Insurance Program was infuriatingly bad policy. An estimated 9 million children in this country are not covered by health insurance -- a circumstance that should shock the consciences of every American. Democrats and Republicans worked together to craft an expansion of an existing state-run program that would have provided coverage for about 4 million children who currently don't have it.

Wow. Isn't that the newspaper owned by the Rev. Moon?

no

Sun Myung Moon was involved with the Washington Times...

New York Times:New York Post::Washington Post:Washington Times

 

[Pabster]

Chee, a far-left liberal newspaper slamming Bush. <YAWN>

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: Pabster
Chee, a far-left liberal newspaper slamming Bush. <YAWN>

Remind me of your post when Fox slams Hilary.

 

[senseamp]

Originally posted by: Pabster
Chee, a far-left liberal newspaper slamming Bush. <YAWN>

If that's Republicans' excuse for ignoring reality, they will be forced to face it the hard way next year.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Pabster
Chee, a far-left liberal newspaper slamming Bush. <YAWN>

If that's Republicans' excuse for ignoring reality, they will be forced to face it the hard way next year.

Igoniring reality? haha the Republicans have done EXACTLY what Dems have done in regards to healthcare reform: they talk about it in speeches. Thats it. Im not saying "but the Dems do it too" Im saying BOTH parties are responsible for NOTHING getting done. Quit making it sound like its a D vs R issue. It's not.

 

[tank171]

This stupid bill includes people up to the age of 25 and pregnant women. Illegal immigrants can easily get in on this. People who arent even poor can get this. Maybe you people should read through this stuff. Bush wants to work with the Democrats, but they refuse to work with him. Republicans are the ones who first made the SCHIP program, so they want it to work, but Democrats seem to have memory lapses about that.

 

[Specop 007]

Social services truly is going to bankrupt this country.

I cant wait to see the Dem voter base when the money is gone. "Gee, sorry guys, we gave it all to you already!"

 

[senseamp]

Originally posted by: tank171
This stupid bill includes people up to the age of 25 and pregnant women. Illegal immigrants can easily get in on this. People who arent even poor can get this. Maybe you people should read through this stuff. Bush wants to work with the Democrats, but they refuse to work with him. Republicans are the ones who first made the SCHIP program, so they want it to work, but Democrats seem to have memory lapses about that.

Bush can work with Democrats and sign the bill. Don't let perfect be the enemy of good. GOP lost Congress in 2006, they don't get to write bills. They do however get to answer if they don't override a veto that denies poor children healthcare.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: tank171
This stupid bill includes people up to the age of 25 and pregnant women. Illegal immigrants can easily get in on this. People who arent even poor can get this. Maybe you people should read through this stuff. Bush wants to work with the Democrats, but they refuse to work with him. Republicans are the ones who first made the SCHIP program, so they want it to work, but Democrats seem to have memory lapses about that.

Bush can work with Democrats and sign the bill. Don't let perfect be the enemy of good. GOP lost Congress in 2006, they don't get to write bills. They do however get to answer if they don't override a veto that denies poor children healthcare.

Why are poor people having kids they cant afford??

 

[senseamp]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: tank171
This stupid bill includes people up to the age of 25 and pregnant women. Illegal immigrants can easily get in on this. People who arent even poor can get this. Maybe you people should read through this stuff. Bush wants to work with the Democrats, but they refuse to work with him. Republicans are the ones who first made the SCHIP program, so they want it to work, but Democrats seem to have memory lapses about that.

Bush can work with Democrats and sign the bill. Don't let perfect be the enemy of good. GOP lost Congress in 2006, they don't get to write bills. They do however get to answer if they don't override a veto that denies poor children healthcare.

Why are poor people having kids they cant afford??

Why is Bush having a war we can't afford? That's what Americans do. Let's not punish the kids for that though.