Bush vetoes expansion of kids' health insurance program.

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: ayabe
I was thinking today that we should have fistfights in Congress. They have fistfights in the Korean Parliament and I think it helps them rise above partisanship. It also doesn't allow douchebaggery to rise to this level:

Today on the House floor, Rep. Steve King (R-IA) introduced a new name for the acronym SCHIP ? ?Socialized Clinton-style Hillarycare for Illegals and their Parents?

For the record SCHIP doesn't cover illegals in any manner. Though I guess the R definition of illegal means having a child for whom you can't afford healthcare, or that it should be illegal to have a child with some sort of degenerative disorder. I'm not sure on that, someone should fill me in.

In any event, I believe Rep. King should be tasered, followed by a judo chop to nuts. What an f'ing tool.

You probably believe anyone who doesn't agree with you should be tasered. Typical of a left-wing extremist :roll:

The current S-CHIP proposal is nothing but HillaryCare lite. It would literally expand S-CHIP nearly 70% and bring us closer to socialized medicine.

 

[Uhtrinity]

Originally posted by: Sinsear
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Take a look at the military health system....that's a government run universal system. You'll be screaming when they dismiss your pain/illness as "this guy must be faking it" or "it's probably nothing" and send you on your way with a bottle of motrin (that's after you sit there all day and fill out a shitload of forms in triplicate).

I was in the military for 5 years and I mostly agree with what you said. However, I also have also seen the same thing on the civilian side. I would also expect higher a number of fakers in the military trying to get out of duty and PT, and yes, I was prescribed the wonder drug Motrin practically every time I went on sick call (maybe 6 times over 5 years).

1. No insurance in 2000, I was misdiagnosed with stomach flu, was a ruptured appendix. $28,000 charge for 8 days in the hospital .... payable immediately.
2. On good insurance, my wife was misdiagnosed (not diagnosed) with leukemia for almost 5 months before they figured it out. At one point she was told that there was nothing wrong and she must have just been there for pain meds. Don't even get me started on how many times we sat in the emergency room for hours upon hours while the clueless doctors tried to either figure out what was wrong or simply prescribe something to get us out the door (6 hours later). And before someone comments, that is what she was told to do from her family doctor.
3. Good insurance - My boss is currently going through a problem where he has had headaches, and more recently joint aches and swelling constantly for the last year. The headaches are on the migraine level, and the joint swelling has him using a cane. He has been to at least 3 major hospitals and cannot get a solid diagnosis or treatment out of any of them. They either want to drug him up or send him elsewhere.

From my own experience a system similar to that in the military will be no worse than the system that is already in place, with the big exception, It won't bankrupt those without insurance as it would now.

 

[Uhtrinity]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Can you name an industry the government has taken the reigns on and made it more cost effective and more efficient? I cant. With all the road construction here in Phoenix as well as our light rail project I remember an article a year or so ago that showed why the state of AZ turned over alot of the construction of our light rail and other projects to private contractors: they beat deadlines and came in under budget. Something government doesnt know how to do at almost ANY level.

Post office?

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: senseamp
Looks like GOP committed suicide for their ideology and took a bunch of innocent children down with them. Sounds like something the people we are fighting in the Middle East would do.
Republicans will get plenty of opportunities to vote on this bill until they either get it or get out.
Dems should add $5B more to the next version, just to let Republicans now that blocking children's healthcare is not free.

The GOP offered a reasonable alternative to this bill and the Dems refused that alternative. So who's committing suicide on this?

Man I'm glad the public isn't as stupid as some of the neo-coms in this forum.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: senseamp
Looks like GOP committed suicide for their ideology and took a bunch of innocent children down with them. Sounds like something the people we are fighting in the Middle East would do.
Republicans will get plenty of opportunities to vote on this bill until they either get it or get out.
Dems should add $5B more to the next version, just to let Republicans now that blocking children's healthcare is not free.

The GOP offered a reasonable alternative to this bill and the Dems refused that alternative. So who's committing suicide on this?

Man I'm glad the public isn't as stupid as some of the neo-coms in this forum.

what reasonable alternative?

"adding" funding that doesn't even allow the program to maintain current levels of coverage?

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: senseamp
Looks like GOP committed suicide for their ideology and took a bunch of innocent children down with them. Sounds like something the people we are fighting in the Middle East would do.
Republicans will get plenty of opportunities to vote on this bill until they either get it or get out.
Dems should add $5B more to the next version, just to let Republicans now that blocking children's healthcare is not free.

The GOP offered a reasonable alternative to this bill and the Dems refused that alternative. So who's committing suicide on this?

Man I'm glad the public isn't as stupid as some of the neo-coms in this forum.

what reasonable alternative?

"adding" funding that doesn't even allow the program to maintain current levels of coverage?

If the Dems want to properly configure the plan so it actually IS about poor children, I have no problem with that. The R's offered a modest expansion of funding that would cover truly poor children without the crowd-out effect the Dem plan had. The D's refused.

Let's not kids ourselves. This is not about children. This is yet another political stunt.

 

[senseamp]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: senseamp
Looks like GOP committed suicide for their ideology and took a bunch of innocent children down with them. Sounds like something the people we are fighting in the Middle East would do.
Republicans will get plenty of opportunities to vote on this bill until they either get it or get out.
Dems should add $5B more to the next version, just to let Republicans now that blocking children's healthcare is not free.

The GOP offered a reasonable alternative to this bill and the Dems refused that alternative. So who's committing suicide on this?

Man I'm glad the public isn't as stupid as some of the neo-coms in this forum.

what reasonable alternative?

"adding" funding that doesn't even allow the program to maintain current levels of coverage?

If the Dems want to properly configure the plan so it actually IS about poor children, I have no problem with that. The R's offered a modest expansion of funding that would cover truly poor children without the crowd-out effect the Dem plan had. The D's refused.

Let's not kids ourselves. This is not about children. This is yet another political stunt.

Republicans voted against and vetoed healthcare for the the Children. Democrats voted for it. End of story as far as I am concerned.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: senseamp
Looks like GOP committed suicide for their ideology and took a bunch of innocent children down with them. Sounds like something the people we are fighting in the Middle East would do.
Republicans will get plenty of opportunities to vote on this bill until they either get it or get out.
Dems should add $5B more to the next version, just to let Republicans now that blocking children's healthcare is not free.

The GOP offered a reasonable alternative to this bill and the Dems refused that alternative. So who's committing suicide on this?

Man I'm glad the public isn't as stupid as some of the neo-coms in this forum.

what reasonable alternative?

"adding" funding that doesn't even allow the program to maintain current levels of coverage?

If the Dems want to properly configure the plan so it actually IS about poor children, I have no problem with that. The R's offered a modest expansion of funding that would cover truly poor children without the crowd-out effect the Dem plan had. The D's refused.

Let's not kids ourselves. This is not about children. This is yet another political stunt.

Republicans voted against and vetoed healthcare for the the Children. Democrats voted for it. End of story as far as I am concerned.

Unfortunately for the country, it seems that most voters are as simple as you.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Genx87
It is interesting that when you ask about UHC in this country. The majority of the population doesnt want it. Yet the democrats forge ahead on the backs of children to get their foot into the door for power and control of our healthcare.

So really, I thank the house today for not overidding the veto and look forward to democrats on the campaign trail explaining how expanding this program to over 200% of poverty level doesnt set the UHC ball rolling.

I think republicans should use to bash democrats over the head with this is, will they lower income taxes on people over 200% of income? Obviously democrats feel they are "poor".

Have any of the resident pro SCHIP folks addressed this very valid point?

Anyone?

 

[senseamp]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Genx87
It is interesting that when you ask about UHC in this country. The majority of the population doesnt want it. Yet the democrats forge ahead on the backs of children to get their foot into the door for power and control of our healthcare.

So really, I thank the house today for not overidding the veto and look forward to democrats on the campaign trail explaining how expanding this program to over 200% of poverty level doesnt set the UHC ball rolling.

I think republicans should use to bash democrats over the head with this is, will they lower income taxes on people over 200% of income? Obviously democrats feel they are "poor".

Have any of the resident pro SCHIP folks addressed this very valid point?

Anyone?

How much taxes do people at 200% of poverty with children as deductions pay?
Before you ask these asinine irrelevant questions, maybe you should find out.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Uhtrinity

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Can you name an industry the government has taken the reigns on and made it more cost effective and more efficient? I cant. With all the road construction here in Phoenix as well as our light rail project I remember an article a year or so ago that showed why the state of AZ turned over alot of the construction of our light rail and other projects to private contractors: they beat deadlines and came in under budget. Something government doesnt know how to do at almost ANY level.

Post office?

Touche. 100% correct Theres an exception to every rule hehe

 

[senseamp]

The sad part for the GOP house conservatives is that Bush vetoed the bill. If he let it become law, they could have voted against it to pander to their base without paying any political price for that vote with the general public, plus get to blame the Democrats for raising taxes to pay for that bill later.
By him vetoing it and them voting to sustain the veto, they now own the consequences of not funding SCHIP next year. It is the absolute worst case scenario politically, and they know it. I think the answer is very simple if you are a Democrat. Extend SCHIP by 6 months at a the level Republicans want, then do the same debate all over again next year right before the election