Bush's response is not adequate

[ShadesOfGrey]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

Bullsh!t. They don't have the copters or the personnel to handle it. They and their equipment are in Iraq.

Why don't you back that claim up with some evidence. Show me some inventory breakdowns by division that shows what is forward deployed to Iraq and overseas missions vs. the equipment available in the United States for support of Katrina relief.

I think you will find that the military has more then an adequate supply of equipment and personnel to handle this catastrophe.

http://www.boomantribune.com/main/4

More than 3,000 members of the Louisiana Nat'l Guard?s 256th Brigade serving in Iraq will return home in October, unless their tour is extended. Worse yet, all of their high-water-level equipment, vehicles and generators are in Iraq:

Louisiana National Guard Equipment in Iraq

The war in Iraq may also play a role in the recovery and cleanup of the hurricane. Earlier this month the Louisiana National Guard publicly complained that too much of its equipment was in Iraq. The local ABC news affiliate reported dozens of high water vehicles, Humvees, refuelers and generators are now abroad. (DN! Headlines, Aug. 29, 2005)

"Mississippi and Alabama, the other states under threat from Katrina?s second assault on the Gulf Coast, also have Guard contingents in Iraq, with 3,500 troops of Mississippi?s 155th Brigade Combat Team serving near Karbala and Najaf, while 140 Alabama Guard troops left last Sunday for training preparatory to joining some 2,000 Alabama troops already deployed overseas," writes BTC News. MORE BELOW:

Thanks, Conjur. That's some evidence.

Right, so not all of it's equipment is in Iraq. Now quit making the claim that the Guard doesn't have it's equipment because it's over in Iraq. Clearly some is as there are soldiers over there but it is intellectually dishonest of you and your liar buddy to suggest that the Guard doesn't have equipment.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey

Right, so not all of it's equipment is in Iraq. Now quit making the claim that the Guard doesn't have it's equipment because it's over in Iraq. Clearly some is as there are soldiers over there but it is intellectually dishonest of you and your liar buddy to suggest that the Guard doesn't have equipment.

People are suggesting that they don't have enough equipment because much of it is in Iraq.

 

[conjur]

Cafferty reading emails on CNN about how the world is watching how Americans treat poor black people.

 

[ShadesOfGrey]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey

He can't back it up but that doesn't stop him and the others who just want to play partisan politics from trotting out that already debunked tripe. His types are disgusting - they have no limits to the depths they will sink to play their games.

Can you give me a link that debunks the idea that the equipment is in Iraq? I'm wondering if that's the case since thousands of people dying in a well known area and they haven't received any help.

No link needed - Turn on your TV. The guard has lots of equipment. This whole notion that there isn't enough Guard troops or equipment is nothing but an attempt to bring politics and the war into this disaster. It's absolutely disgusting to see how low some people will stoop and what insinuations they will continue to spew to achieve their agenda.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey

He can't back it up but that doesn't stop him and the others who just want to play partisan politics from trotting out that already debunked tripe. His types are disgusting - they have no limits to the depths they will sink to play their games.

Can you give me a link that debunks the idea that the equipment is in Iraq? I'm wondering if that's the case since thousands of people dying in a well known area and they haven't received any help.

No link needed - Turn on your TV. The guard has lots of equipment. This whole notion that there isn't enough Guard troops or equipment is nothing but an attempt to bring politics and the war into this disaster. It's absolutely disgusting to see how low some people will stoop and what insinuations they will continue to spew to achieve their agenda.

By watching TV it leads me to that conclusion (that equipment is not available). Thousands of people wasting away in a convention center have received no help. The guard may have a lot of equipment, but it seems that much of it is in Iraq.

I'm not arguing whether manpower itself is in Iraq since I've read that they have 60-70% of the guard here domestically and they called a fraction of them in. I'm wondering about the equipment.

 

[conjur]

Hmm...Jesse is surprising me. He's asking churches, schools, etc. to open their locations for the refugees.


He also thanked Citgo and Chavez!

 

[ShadesOfGrey]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey

Right, so not all of it's equipment is in Iraq. Now quit making the claim that the Guard doesn't have it's equipment because it's over in Iraq. Clearly some is as there are soldiers over there but it is intellectually dishonest of you and your liar buddy to suggest that the Guard doesn't have equipment.

People are suggesting that they don't have enough equipment because much of it is in Iraq.

Originally posted by: BBond
Bullsh!t.

They don't have the copters or the personnel to handle it. They and their equipment are in Iraq.

They are? :roll:

Still no proof - just rhetoric.

 

[rahvin]

Equipment is a secondary issue, what I wanna know is why every available active duty member of our armed forces isn't boots on the ground in NO stabilizing security so they can orderly evactuate people. It's been 4 days, they should have been able to deploy 100,000 troops in that time. Again, they don't need equipment so much as they need boots on the ground.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey

They are? :roll:

Still no proof - just rhetoric.

Let me clarify then. Most people are not suggesting that ALL of the equipment is gone. Obviously you're going to have people who go to the extreme (even though it seems that he's simply exaggerating).

According to that article posted earlier, it seems that some of the equipment is in Iraq.

 

[ShadesOfGrey]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey

He can't back it up but that doesn't stop him and the others who just want to play partisan politics from trotting out that already debunked tripe. His types are disgusting - they have no limits to the depths they will sink to play their games.

Can you give me a link that debunks the idea that the equipment is in Iraq? I'm wondering if that's the case since thousands of people dying in a well known area and they haven't received any help.

No link needed - Turn on your TV. The guard has lots of equipment. This whole notion that there isn't enough Guard troops or equipment is nothing but an attempt to bring politics and the war into this disaster. It's absolutely disgusting to see how low some people will stoop and what insinuations they will continue to spew to achieve their agenda.

By watching TV it leads me to that conclusion (that equipment is not available). Thousands of people wasting away in a convention center have received no help. The guard may have a lot of equipment, but it seems that much of it is in Iraq.

I'm not arguing whether manpower itself is in Iraq since I've read that they have 60-70% of the guard here domestically and they called a fraction of them in. I'm wondering about the equipment.

By watching TV you'd see that there is alot of equipment being used. To make the leap to there isn't enough is nothing more than supposition and no proof has been offered that it is the case.
There are more and more troops being called in - if they had a shortage of equipment already(your false conclusion) then what equipment would these other troops, being called in, use? That's right, so the only conclusion that could be gathered is that not enough is being used - not that there isn't enough equipment.

 

[conjur]

oof...head of FEMA was blaming the people who "chose" to stay.

:| :|

How the hell did this wanker get a job? Oh...he's a crony of someone in the White House. :roll:

 

[TRUMPHENT]

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey

He can't back it up but that doesn't stop him and the others who just want to play partisan politics from trotting out that already debunked tripe. His types are disgusting - they have no limits to the depths they will sink to play their games.

Can you give me a link that debunks the idea that the equipment is in Iraq? I'm wondering if that's the case since thousands of people dying in a well known area and they haven't received any help.

No link needed - Turn on your TV. The guard has lots of equipment. This whole notion that there isn't enough Guard troops or equipment is nothing but an attempt to bring politics and the war into this disaster. It's absolutely disgusting to see how low some people will stoop and what insinuations they will continue to spew to achieve their agenda.

Hmm, it does take people to operate equipment. If say, a Combat Engineer unit was sent to Iraq and expected to use prepositioned equipment or that of the unit they were replacing, then their own would be back in the states and sitting in the motorpool of the respective armory.

I wonder how many servicemen and women in Iraq are watching the news and wondering about their loved ones and property in the storm affected areas.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey

By watching TV you'd see that there is alot of equipment being used. To make the leap to there isn't enough is nothing more than supposition and no proof has been offered that it is the case.

I think a lot of equipment is being used, but not enough. You don't need any more proof than the fact that thousands are rotting away at the convention center yet they've received no help at all.

There are more and more troops being called in - if they had a shortage of equipment already(your false conclusion) then what equipment would these other troops, being called in, use? That's right, so the only conclusion that could be gathered is that not enough is being used - not that there isn't enough equipment.

Perhaps they're being called in and they'll perform duties without the equipment. Example: With equipment: Call in 100 people, 50 people go on foot 50 on vehicles. Without equipment: 100 people on foot. I think that we'll probably receive more information on this. It will probably be a big thing.

 

[ShadesOfGrey]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey

By watching TV you'd see that there is alot of equipment being used. To make the leap to there isn't enough is nothing more than supposition and no proof has been offered that it is the case.

I think a lot of equipment is being used, but not enough. You don't need any more proof than the fact that thousands are rotting away at the convention center yet they've received no help at all.

There are more and more troops being called in - if they had a shortage of equipment already(your false conclusion) then what equipment would these other troops, being called in, use? That's right, so the only conclusion that could be gathered is that not enough is being used - not that there isn't enough equipment.

Perhaps they're being called in and they'll perform duties without the equipment. Example: With equipment: Call in 100 people, 50 people go on foot 50 on vehicles. Without equipment: 100 people on foot. I think that we'll probably receive more information on this. It will probably be a big thing.

That's what I said. That's the only conclusion one can realistically draw -especially since they are calling up more and more to help. Seems to me that the size of force needed for action was underestimated, although if the levee hadn't have broken, it probably would have been enough. The Guard is a state level entity and responds based on the calls of state governments.
I see some advocating the use of active duty troops, and I don't necessarily disagree. There are active duty troops coming however with their ships.

 

[conjur]

guy inside the Convention Center is talking to Wolf. Raymond Cooper: "Please DO NOT send in armed National Guard unles you have someone in charge to tell the people what is happening. I am ex military, I know. There are kids in here with guns, they are like Zombies, half dead, they are about to go crazy. You know what will happen. I am begging you"

 

[Kremlar]

All this bickering is pathetic. It's disgusting that people are playing politics at a time like this - saying how Louisiana was asking for more funds, how in 2001 FEMA warned of a disaster like this.

HELLO - do you know how many states are asking for more funds for various reasons? Umm, try ALL of them. Louisiana wasn't the only one with potential problems. Nobody can predict the future, and nobody realized just how bad this would turn out.

It seems to me that there are plenty of troops and equipment to handle the problem, they just need more organization. It looks like good things are starting to happen. This problem is just so large in scope and so varying, it's hard to handle everything at once.

I also love how people were bitching about Bush being in a suit. If he wasn't in a suit, they'd be giving him crap about still being on vacation, couldn't even take the time to look presentable, blah blah.

The extreme left is pathetic.

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: BBond
Hey Conjur, shades of sh!t brown seems to have some old issues with you...for such a newbie.

Oh, the Freeper? Not worth the time. Ignore it.

Boy - you sure like to label people, don't you?

 

[conjur]

If the shoe fits...

And, in this case, it's a perfect fit.

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: conjur

He also thanked Citgo and Chavez!

Why? For spiking their prices?

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: conjur

He also thanked Citgo and Chavez!

Why? For spiking their prices?

No, for actually donating oil and food to the victims. More than most of the other countries have done.

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: conjur
If the shoe fits...

And, in this case, it's a perfect fit.

I'll have the common courtesy to not tell you which shoe fits you.

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: conjur

He also thanked Citgo and Chavez!

Why? For spiking their prices?

No, for actually donating oil and food to the victims. More than most of the other countries have done.

Huh - They were leading the charge of the price gougers here - by up to $1 more per gallon than their competitors. I guess that's where the money's going, eh? What citizens!

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: conjur

He also thanked Citgo and Chavez!

Why? For spiking their prices?

No, for actually donating oil and food to the victims. More than most of the other countries have done.

Huh - They were leading the charge of the price gougers here - by up to $1 more per gallon than their competitors. I guess that's where the money's going, eh? What citizens!

Proof is in the pudding.

What the local gas stations do isn't necessarily controlled by Chavez. (each station locally owned and operated).

 

[ShadesOfGrey]

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: conjur
If the shoe fits...

And, in this case, it's a perfect fit.

I'll have the common courtesy to not tell you which shoe fits you.

I have no problem calling him a LIAR. Because that's what he is. He's been repeatedly told by me that I am not a member of the Free Republic and I don't read that site - yet he constantly tries to claim I'm a freeper.
With that evidence in plain sight - there is no doubt he is and should be exposed for the LIAR he is.

 

[Mill]

Man, Hastert is an asshole.

Hastert: Rebuilding NOLA makes no sense.

What a piece of dogsh!t.

FEMA and the government need to get off their ass or at least tell us what the problem is. If they need manpower there are tons of countries offering help and lots of volunteers willing to help. If they need money, then don't just trot out Clinton and Bush -- let us know so we can keep the money flowing in. Fvck, just let us do something instead of keeping on saying "Wait, we are assessing the situation and reacting appropriately."

Tell us what the hell you are doing, dumbasses. There are people dying and the nation knows before you do!