Originally posted by: OrByte
Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey
Originally posted by: OrByte
I think its funny how no one has seemed to ask a very specific question to this administration and that is:
this disaster started about 4 almost 5 days ago. The adminstration has pledged troops would be in the area tommorow(fri).
WTF!?
thats 5 days with no law, no available food or water...your body needs water or in 4 or 5 days YOU ARE DEAD.
why couldn't the administration act a little faster!? straight up parachute into the area and restore some sense of order.
SO after 5 days the NG will arrive, that doesnt even BEGIN to administer some sort of PLAN and put the plan in motion...which may happen SAT or SUN. That is a WHOLE WEEK of 1000s of people not having access to food or water.
lots of people are going to be dead
We keep hearing that help will be on the way friday...well...friday is too goddam late.
Approximately 2000 National Guard members(according to reports) were prepositioned before the storm and moved in the day after. BTW, that is a state call - not a Federal one - the Guard is directed at a state level.
Try directing your emotion in a helpful direction instead of in a misinformed direction.
and obviously it wasnt enough was it? good call by the state, where was federal support? too late thats where
oh yeah...on vacation.
but thanks for letting me know how misinformed I am. really helpful chap.
The role of FEMA and the federal government is to provide the state and local disaster officials what they ASK for, since they know best what is needed on the ground in their districts, counties, and cities.and obviously it wasnt enough was it? good call by the state, where was federal support? too late thats where
This isn't a conscious deliberative process. Like I said, it is a matter of CULTURE (ghetto culture).yeah, im sure their attitude was "i dont give a damn if i lose my home, all my possesions, perhaps a loved one or even my own life...i dont want to get off my poor ass."
Originally posted by: tcsenter
The role of FEMA and the federal government is to provide the state and local disaster officials what they ASK for, since they know best what is needed on the ground in their districts, counties, and cities.and obviously it wasnt enough was it? good call by the state, where was federal support? too late thats where
This isn't a conscious deliberative process. Like I said, it is a matter of CULTURE (ghetto culture).yeah, im sure their attitude was "i dont give a damn if i lose my home, all my possesions, perhaps a loved one or even my own life...i dont want to get off my poor ass."
It would never even occur to them that they might have to provide for themselves for up to a week, because they live an existance rooted in pervasive dependence on others to provide for them. Its someone's responsibility to make sure they have water and food, not their's. They just pick up the checks and go to the grocery store.
Originally posted by: tcsenter
The role of FEMA and the federal government is to provide the state and local disaster officials what they ASK for, since they know best what is needed on the ground in their districts, counties, and cities.and obviously it wasnt enough was it? good call by the state, where was federal support? too late thats where
The funds are long term assistance. Weeks from now, months from now. Funding isn't the reason 100K people ignored a mandatory evacuation in a CAT5 hurricane and are now stuck without basic necessities. Its a logistical problem.Bush activated funds. Praise God. But where was the aid those funds were activated to provide?
Originally posted by: tcsenter
The funds are long term assistance. Weeks from now, months from now. Funding isn't the reason 100K people ignored a mandatory evacuation in a CAT5 hurricane and are now stuck without basic necessities. Its a logistical problem.Bush activated funds. Praise God. But where was the aid those funds were activated to provide?
Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey
Originally posted by: OrByte
Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey
Originally posted by: OrByte
I think its funny how no one has seemed to ask a very specific question to this administration and that is:
this disaster started about 4 almost 5 days ago. The adminstration has pledged troops would be in the area tommorow(fri).
WTF!?
thats 5 days with no law, no available food or water...your body needs water or in 4 or 5 days YOU ARE DEAD.
why couldn't the administration act a little faster!? straight up parachute into the area and restore some sense of order.
SO after 5 days the NG will arrive, that doesnt even BEGIN to administer some sort of PLAN and put the plan in motion...which may happen SAT or SUN. That is a WHOLE WEEK of 1000s of people not having access to food or water.
lots of people are going to be dead
We keep hearing that help will be on the way friday...well...friday is too goddam late.
Approximately 2000 National Guard members(according to reports) were prepositioned before the storm and moved in the day after. BTW, that is a state call - not a Federal one - the Guard is directed at a state level.
Try directing your emotion in a helpful direction instead of in a misinformed direction.
and obviously it wasnt enough was it? good call by the state, where was federal support? too late thats where
oh yeah...on vacation.
but thanks for letting me know how misinformed I am. really helpful chap.
No, it seems it wasn't enough -but probably would have if the levees wouldn't have broken and flooded the city.
The Federal support was already there - have you not been paying attention? Bush activated the Funds and FEMA BEFORE the storm hit.
Any more misinformation you need helped out with?
Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey
Originally posted by: tcsenter
The role of FEMA and the federal government is to provide the state and local disaster officials what they ASK for, since they know best what is needed on the ground in their districts, counties, and cities.and obviously it wasnt enough was it? good call by the state, where was federal support? too late thats where
Some people just don't understand that and since they think the Federal government is the answer to everything and just assume that the Feds can come in and instantly and magically fix things. It's hilarious to see them flailing around trying to take political cheap shots - especially when their tirades don't even remotely pass the reality test.
Originally posted by: totalcommand
Originally posted by: raildogg
what is wrong with this guy?
he is in a suit and tie giving a speech. who is he talking to? the people in the affected areas have no electricity and cant hear him. this is a bad move.
remember, his dad handled Andrew badly and he is following him.
hey Bush, get off Crawford, go to Alabama at least since going to Lousiana is not safe. take that suit and tie off, and show that you at least are very concerned. to me, it doesn't seem like the White House is too concerned. this disaster is not much smaller in scale than 9/11. Bush needs to treat it as such
our leader and leaders can do more. a lot more
You're absolutely right.
This is Bush's chance to get his approval ratings out of the gutter. In some ways I'm glad to see him fumble and blow this chance, but the country could really use a good leader right now. But I'm sure Karl Rove will realize this soon.
Originally posted by: SNiPeRX
I can not believe some of you people sometimes.
Originally posted by: totalcommand
Originally posted by: raildogg
what is wrong with this guy?
he is in a suit and tie giving a speech. who is he talking to? the people in the affected areas have no electricity and cant hear him. this is a bad move.
remember, his dad handled Andrew badly and he is following him.
hey Bush, get off Crawford, go to Alabama at least since going to Lousiana is not safe. take that suit and tie off, and show that you at least are very concerned. to me, it doesn't seem like the White House is too concerned. this disaster is not much smaller in scale than 9/11. Bush needs to treat it as such
our leader and leaders can do more. a lot more
You're absolutely right.
This is Bush's chance to get his approval ratings out of the gutter. In some ways I'm glad to see him fumble and blow this chance, but the country could really use a good leader right now. But I'm sure Karl Rove will realize this soon.
First off, you are failing the American people sir. You call yourself an American! You are saying that you are happy to see the President having problems dealing with this disaster. How the hell would you deal with it. Sit at your desk and putting garabe on the net. Go to hell. None of us have the right to judge how this situation is being handled. If you have such a big problem with it, take your fat ass down there and help out instead of bitching about it. This is a horrible event, but critizing the way its being handled is wrong. If you AT folks are so intelligent. Please give me a detailed description on what you would do and how you would handle the situation. You have no idea of the problems and pain in NO. I believe the situation is being handled in the best possible way.. Troops will come, it takes time. You talk of it taking 5 days to "invade" Iraq. Well you are also an idiot. It took months of training and work to prepare for that type of fight. Believe those troops were training for that type of fight way before the order to go was given. I do not believe we should throw all our troops in the middle of the mess as fast as you say. Put some national guardsmen with weapons in that convention center and all hell will break. I wish these events never happened, but please stop focusing on all the negatives. Think about out men and women working to rescue people from housing. Volunteers, RedCross, etc. Stop talking about how the government is screwing up. THEY ARE NOT!
Thanks
Originally posted by: catnap1972
Originally posted by: SNiPeRX
I can not believe some of you people sometimes.
Originally posted by: totalcommand
Originally posted by: raildogg
what is wrong with this guy?
he is in a suit and tie giving a speech. who is he talking to? the people in the affected areas have no electricity and cant hear him. this is a bad move.
remember, his dad handled Andrew badly and he is following him.
hey Bush, get off Crawford, go to Alabama at least since going to Lousiana is not safe. take that suit and tie off, and show that you at least are very concerned. to me, it doesn't seem like the White House is too concerned. this disaster is not much smaller in scale than 9/11. Bush needs to treat it as such
our leader and leaders can do more. a lot more
You're absolutely right.
This is Bush's chance to get his approval ratings out of the gutter. In some ways I'm glad to see him fumble and blow this chance, but the country could really use a good leader right now. But I'm sure Karl Rove will realize this soon.
First off, you are failing the American people sir. You call yourself an American! You are saying that you are happy to see the President having problems dealing with this disaster. How the hell would you deal with it. Sit at your desk and putting garabe on the net. Go to hell. None of us have the right to judge how this situation is being handled. If you have such a big problem with it, take your fat ass down there and help out instead of bitching about it. This is a horrible event, but critizing the way its being handled is wrong. If you AT folks are so intelligent. Please give me a detailed description on what you would do and how you would handle the situation. You have no idea of the problems and pain in NO. I believe the situation is being handled in the best possible way.. Troops will come, it takes time. You talk of it taking 5 days to "invade" Iraq. Well you are also an idiot. It took months of training and work to prepare for that type of fight. Believe those troops were training for that type of fight way before the order to go was given. I do not believe we should throw all our troops in the middle of the mess as fast as you say. Put some national guardsmen with weapons in that convention center and all hell will break. I wish these events never happened, but please stop focusing on all the negatives. Think about out men and women working to rescue people from housing. Volunteers, RedCross, etc. Stop talking about how the government is screwing up. THEY ARE NOT!
Thanks
OMG you fanbois are BEYOND pathetic. All a big show with you to keep Bush from looking bad (and to keep the Pentagon's "feelings" from being "hurt" any further), but those people down there are expendible anyway, so what's another week or so ("we'll get around to you...eventually")
Originally posted by: Pabster
The hell with the race card being floated around.
Let us face the facts. New Orleans is predominately BLACK and has a HIGH POVERTY RATE. Over 30% below FPR guidelines.
I've seen plenty of WHITE faces carting out stuff too.
Frankly, those who are looting food, water, medicine, essential supplies ... I understand that. But the idiots looting the flat-panel TVs and jewelry ought to be shot on sight. And the ones crawling over dead bodies in private homes to loot ...
Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey
Originally posted by: ntdz
Do you realize how fast the water filled up the city when the levies broke? A matter of a couple of minutes.
Link
Actually it took hours.
All residents on the east bank of New Orleans and Jefferson remaining in the metro area are being told to evacuate as efforts to sandbag the levee break have ended, according to WWL-TV. The pumps in that area are expected to fail soon and nine feet of water is predicted in the entire east bank within the next 12-15 hours.
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Downtown streets that were relatively clear in the hours after the storm were filled with 1 to 1 ½-feet of water Tuesday morning. Water was knee-deep around the Superdome. Canal Street was literally a canal. Water lapped at the edge of the French Quarter. Clumps of red ants floated in the gasoline-fouled waters downtown.
"It's a very slow rise, and it will remain so until we plug that breach. I think we can get it stabilized in a few hours," said Terry Ebbert, New Orleans' homeland security chief.
There are at least 300,000 National Guardsmen in the US. The Guard's force strength is approx. 440,000, of which about 80K are overseas, or no more than 20%. I suppose 80% force strength in the US could be considered stretched thin....in some people's minds.We have the guard stretched too thin on a Federal Level... looking for Osama in Iraq
I thought I did. Is there a minimum?Blaming the victim again. What, can't sneak in a few more derogatory comments about them being from the "ghetto"?
Umm...precisely because its a logistical problem. Why do I feel as though I'm repeating myself? We don't have a teleporter that only works with troops but not tanks, helicopters, personnel carriers, and trucks.If it's a logistical problem why aren't there boots on the ground?
We could have put 30,000 troops on the streets within 24 hours....if we had four to five months to pepare a deployment like we did before invading that other country, instead of four to five days.We can invade a country in less than 5 days but we can't put 10,000 troops into street patrols in NO.
100,000+ people don't live in a house right next to the levy...or in a van down by the river.I watched an interview with a guy that said it took 15 seconds to fill up 5 feet in his house...he lived right next to the levee.
Originally posted by: tcsenter
There are at least 300,000 National Guardsmen in the US. The Guard's force strength is approx. 440,000, of which about 80K are overseas, or no more than 20%. I suppose 80% force strength in the US could be considered stretched thin....in some people's minds.We have the guard stretched too thin on a Federal Level... looking for Osama in IraqI thought I did. Is there a minimum?Blaming the victim again. What, can't sneak in a few more derogatory comments about them being from the "ghetto"?Umm...precisely because its a logistical problem. Why do I feel as though I'm repeating myself? We don't have a teleporter that only works with troops but not tanks, helicopters, personnel carriers, and trucks.If it's a logistical problem why aren't there boots on the ground?We could have put 30,000 troops on the streets within 24 hours....if we had four to five months to pepare a deployment like we did before invading that other country, instead of four to five days.We can invade a country in less than 5 days but we can't put 10,000 troops into street patrols in NO.
I am positively amazed people believe there are 10,000 troops waiting around every corner at all times in every region of the country, ready to spring into action on a moment's notice. Don't forget to check under your bed and in your closet, there may be some waiting at the ready there.100,000+ people don't live in a house right next to the levy...or in a van down by the river.I watched an interview with a guy that said it took 15 seconds to fill up 5 feet in his house...he lived right next to the levee.
If I am, you'll know its me if you see some guy on the news running away from 1,000 hungry and thirsty retards trying to swipe the 13 gallon Hefty bag he has over his shoulder.I sincerely hope that you find yourself poor and indigent in the midst of a category five hurricane as soon as possible.
Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
You can activate 100,000 soldiers, but how exactly do you move them into a city with no remaining infrastructure.Activating and moving troops into the bases in texas, hell activating the general army forces that still remain in texas and airlifting them into the area could have been accomplished in less than 48 hours. You act as if they couldn't have kept any troops within a 1000 miles when they could have setup a staging area less than 500 miles away in texas and it would have been unaffected.
Can't airlift them in as much of the area is flooded. Would have to convoy them in, but once you get them into the city then what...you can't stage them in the city due to the flooding, yet soldiers need to eat and sleep too.
Only option would be to stage them outside the city, which would require transporting the soldiers into and out of the city on a daily basis...which is kind of hard to do given the widespread flooding.
Great, where is your prediction of exactly where the disaster zone would be at least one week before Katrina made land, and your prediction of exactly where the forward bases could be placed so that they wouldn't get wiped out with the disaster zones.Base of operations just ouside of the diasater zone.
...of which apparently you have no real world understanding.It's called planning.
Originally posted by: jpeyton
It's like My Pet Goat all over again.
Apparently the complete destruction of a major US city wasn't enough to immediately get the President to cut his politicking short and visit the area until today.
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Dan using this tragedy to bash Bush? OMG, what a surprise. Geez. Who next? BBond? conjur? :roll:Originally posted by: arsbanned
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
How many threads are we going to have asking this identical question?
Face it, your guy is a failure.
Speaking of living "an existance rooted in pervasive dependence on others to provide for them", did you ever get a job or are you still trying to suck permanent disability from the government teat? Do you "just pick up [your] checks and go to the grocery store" yourself, or do you expect someone else to do that for you as well? One would think someone with your limitations might develop a little humility and compassion for others (or at least would learn to shut your ugly, hateful mouth so as not to be exposed as an arrogant hypocrite).Originally posted by: tcsenter
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This isn't a conscious deliberative process. Like I said, it is a matter of CULTURE (ghetto culture).
It would never even occur to them that they might have to provide for themselves for up to a week, because they live an existance rooted in pervasive dependence on others to provide for them. Its someone's responsibility to make sure they have water and food, not their's. They just pick up the checks and go to the grocery store.
I defended Clinton during his presidency from the rude, loudmouth ranting right. You see, I'm not the partisan one. I just can't stand the rude, ranting loudmouths from either side. It's one reason I can't stand you.Originally posted by: BBond
Day FIVE and still no help.
If this doesn't wake America up nothing will. Just remember people, with George Bush at the helm, if you need help in a major national disaster, you're on your own.
Can you just imagine what the chicken and his ilk would be saying if this was Clinton instead of Bush? Now ask yourself, how can they or anyone defend Bush?