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conjur

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Why aren't the reporters pitching in on the rescue and relief effort, since they are there, instead of hanging around like a bunch of media vultures waiting for the next sob story they can dig up?
Foamy the Squirrel wonders the same thing.
 

imported_Pedro69

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: Pedro69
If it takes MONTHS and WEEKS, this goverment IS inept to handle a national disaster. Period.

People are dying. People cried for Help in front of TV Cameras. For crying out loud!!!

How can it be that there are reporters and live coverage from day one but people went without food, water shelter for days?? Where was the Goverment?
Why aren't the reporters pitching in on the rescue and relief effort, since they are there, instead of hanging around like a bunch of media vultures waiting for the next sob story they can dig up?

And the reason they can get there is because they have equipment on the ready at all times for such stories and are small, self-contained groups that have to answer for nobody but themselves. They don't have to organzie any large-scale effort. When they've got their story wrap, they can fly on out in their news helicopters to the comfort of a hotel and a nice warm meal.
How dare you!!! You blame the reporters now for not acting, but won't blame the goverment. Who's responsabilty is it?
 

tcsenter

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If it takes MONTHS and WEEKS, this goverment IS inept to handle a national disaster. Period.
Not that I feel there is any hope you'll stop repeatedly misrepresenting the issue, taking things out of context, and otherwise attempting to distort the facts, but "it" (whatever that is) isn't going to take weeks for all resources to get on the ground. The point was, if full-time year round professional soldiers require WEEKS and MONTHS to prepare for an overseas deployment, the National Guard is extremely efficient by comparison.
People are dying. People cried for Help in front of TV Cameras. For crying out loud!
If you care so much, why don't you drive down there and offer your assistance? Maybe take a family back with you? Lots of people are doing it who TRULY care, not just pretending to give a rip for political reasons.
How can it be that there are reporters and live coverage from day one but people went without food, water shelter for days??
lol! Do you realize how childish you are beginning to sound?

Reporters aren't feeding anyone except themselves. Unlike the rest of New Orleans, they made preparations to be without food, water, and electricity for many days. And look how well that is working for them...
 
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Originally posted by: Pedro69
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: Pedro69
If it takes MONTHS and WEEKS, this goverment IS inept to handle a national disaster. Period.

People are dying. People cried for Help in front of TV Cameras. For crying out loud!!!

How can it be that there are reporters and live coverage from day one but people went without food, water shelter for days?? Where was the Goverment?
Why aren't the reporters pitching in on the rescue and relief effort, since they are there, instead of hanging around like a bunch of media vultures waiting for the next sob story they can dig up?

And the reason they can get there is because they have equipment on the ready at all times for such stories and are small, self-contained groups that have to answer for nobody but themselves. They don't have to organzie any large-scale effort. When they've got their story wrap, they can fly on out in their news helicopters to the comfort of a hotel and a nice warm meal.
How dare you!!! You blame the reporters now for not acting, but won't blame the goverment. Who's responsabilty is it?
:roll:

How do you make the gigantic intellectual leap from "pitching in...since they are there," to being responsible for the effort? Just because it's not their problem they shouldn't pitch in?

Goodness gracious. Get a clue.

Edit: And the government is acting and the massive effort takes time to organize, regardless of your insistence that everything should be hunky dory by now. I'm not the one making idiotic comparisons between the massive relief and rescue effort that is necessary and a few reporters being on the ground in NOLA either.
 

ExpertNovice

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Originally posted by: PELarson
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: eilute
Well he does have to address it in some way. I'm not too sure what he should do differently.

As far as disasters go, this may prove to be larger than 9/11. We do not yet know how much damage there is.

WTF? Folks, this is MUCH worse than 9/11.

And that is the problem with the current administration.

We have had almost 4 years to prepare for a major disaster. We knew a major storm could hit landfall at any point along the coast. But apparently instead of having a worse case plan to start from they FEMA and the BUsh administration are winging it.

5 days to get personnel and equipment rolling and maybe into a area closer to the expected disaster area.

If they can't figure out how to build contingence plans hire someone from the War Plans department of the Pentagon to show your personnel how to do it.

I agree. What I'm not sure about is how "Homeland Security" and FEMA interact. "Homeland Security" is under the control of the President but unless terrorists caused Katrina I'm not sure this department has the authority to take any action.

FEMA on the other hand has more authority to take action than any other agency. Under such conditions they have absolute power over the President, the Constitution, and the People of the United States. So, what is their problem.

The same thing happened in August of 1992 when FEMA responded very slowly to Hurricane Andrew. Andrew did 30 billion dollars in damage. The dollar damage of Hurricane Katrina will be about the same Andrew, the ocean damage is likely to be much less, but the human death toll could be the worst we have ever seen.

Is it time to make FEMA responsible to Congress or even the President? In 1992 President Bush saw that FEMA was, well, doing nothing and jumped into action. It looks like President Bush will have to do the same.

FEMA. Federal Emergency Malfesance Agency
(BTW, if you liked that acronym... EPA = Environmental Pollution Agency... think MTBE)
 

1EZduzit

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Is it just me, or does the right seem to have been reduced to nothing but a bunch of loonie tunes characters?

It seems they enjoy being in charge but aren't responsiible enough to be accountable for their actions or lack thereof. From the Iran-Contra mess, the S&L fiasco, Enron, WMD's, and now this. The only thing they had going for them was the deficit, but Dubya even fvcked that up....and he still wants to make tax cuts. DUHHHH!!

Running the country is hard work, Dubya said so himself. Maybe he should just step down if the country's welfare is cutting too deep into his vacation time.

Put that into your pipes and smoke it ya bunch of hippocrites!!!!
 

jpeyton

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Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Is it just me, or does the right seem to have been reduced to nothing but a bunch of loonie tunes characters?

It seems they enjoy being in charge but aren't responsiible enough to be accountable for their actions or lack thereof. From the Iran-Contra mess, the S&L fiasco, Enron, and now this. The only thing they had going for them was the deficit, but Dubya even fvcked that up....and he still wants to make tax cuts. DUHHHH!!

Running the country is hard work, Dubya said so himself. Maybe he should just step down if the country's welfare is cutting too deep into his vacation time.

Put that into your pipes and smoke it ya bunch of hippocrites!!!!

Great sig!
 

Genx87

Lifer
Apr 8, 2002
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Originally posted by: Pedro69
If it takes MONTHS and WEEKS, this goverment IS inept to handle a national disaster. Period.

People are dying. People cried for Help in front of TV Cameras. For crying out loud!!!

How can it be that there are reporters and live coverage from day one but people went without food, water shelter for days?? Where was the Goverment?

Why didnt the news people bring these people food?
 

CaptnKirk

Lifer
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Collosal Understatement

Read and Heed.

<Cliped from the middle>

Saving people and maintaining order are the first order of government in any disaster, and neither was achieved. The much-touted Department of Homeland Security appeared too caught up in its internal bureaucracy to perform, and the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) called off its rescue missions Thursday because residents trying to board boats were getting violent. The disorder and lawlessness was breathtaking to watch. At one point, the evacuation of patients from a hospital was halted because of gunfire. Bush talks about ?zero tolerance? for looters, but there aren?t enough police to stop them and the jails are under water. One third of the National Guard from the affected states of Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama are in Afghanistan and Iraq, and they?re the ones trained to perform the police functions that restore civil order.
 

Genx87

Lifer
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Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Is it just me, or does the right seem to have been reduced to nothing but a bunch of loonie tunes characters?

It seems they enjoy being in charge but aren't responsiible enough to be accountable for their actions or lack thereof. From the Iran-Contra mess, the S&L fiasco, Enron, WMD's, and now this. The only thing they had going for them was the deficit, but Dubya even fvcked that up....and he still wants to make tax cuts. DUHHHH!!

Running the country is hard work, Dubya said so himself. Maybe he should just step down if the country's welfare is cutting too deep into his vacation time.

Put that into your pipes and smoke it ya bunch of hippocrites!!!!

Gov and Mayor in LA are democrat.

 

ExpertNovice

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Mar 4, 2005
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BTW, the liberal media god has made a statement.

CNN

Monday, August 29, 2005; Posted: 1:42 p.m. EDT (17:42 GMT)
FEMA goes into disaster mode for Katrina

Excerpts:
As the Category 4 the storm surged ashore just east of New Orleans, Louisiana, on Monday, FEMA had medical teams, rescue squads and groups prepared to supply food and water poised in a semicircle around the city, its director, Michael Brown, said.

President Bush, as he readied the federal government for a massive relief effort, on Sunday urged people in the path of Hurricane Katrina to forget anything but their safety and move to higher ground as instructed.

"We cannot stress enough the danger this hurricane poses to Gulf Coast communities," Bush said as the storm headed into New Orleans and other communities. "I urge all citizens to put their own safety and the safety of their families first by moving to safe ground."

The president made sure the federal response would not be delayed by declaring emergencies in Mississippi, Florida and Alabama just hours after a similar declaration for Louisiana. Such declarations make federal aid available to assist with disaster relief, but they are rarely made before a storm even hits.



Wait, President Bush declared it a Federal Emergency BEFORE the hurricane hit Lousiana? Fema and the National Guard were already there before hand?

President Bush publically asked the people of New Orleans to leave?

Yep, President Bush should have done more. Maybe he should have declared Marshall Law on Sunday and forced people to leave. Is that what President Clinton would have done?
 

BBond

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Oct 3, 2004
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Originally posted by: Genx87

Gov and Mayor in LA are democrat.

Is that why they weren't invited along with Bush's and all of his Republican friends for their Gulf Coast photo op and propaganda tour?

 
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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Is it just me, or does the right seem to have been reduced to nothing but a bunch of loonie tunes characters?

It seems they enjoy being in charge but aren't responsiible enough to be accountable for their actions or lack thereof. From the Iran-Contra mess, the S&L fiasco, Enron, WMD's, and now this. The only thing they had going for them was the deficit, but Dubya even fvcked that up....and he still wants to make tax cuts. DUHHHH!!

Running the country is hard work, Dubya said so himself. Maybe he should just step down if the country's welfare is cutting too deep into his vacation time.

Put that into your pipes and smoke it ya bunch of hippocrites!!!!

Gov and Mayor in LA are democrat.
:laugh:

 

BBond

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Oct 3, 2004
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Originally posted by: ExpertNovice



Wait, President Bush declared it a Federal Emergency BEFORE the hurricane hit Lousiana? Fema and the National Guard were already there before hand?

President Bush publically asked the people of New Orleans to leave?

Yep, President Bush should have done more. Maybe he should have declared Marshall Law on Sunday and forced people to leave. Is that what President Clinton would have done?

If all of that is true then how did my TV set keep showing me 100,000 or so people in New Orleans without water, food, or shelter? If all of that is true where were all of those FEMA and National Guard people while people were dropping dead in the Superdome and New Orleans descended into anarchy?

BULLSH!T

American saw the truth for five long days and no amount of propaganda will ever change what we saw.
 

1EZduzit

Lifer
Feb 4, 2002
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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Is it just me, or does the right seem to have been reduced to nothing but a bunch of loonie tunes characters?

It seems they enjoy being in charge but aren't responsiible enough to be accountable for their actions or lack thereof. From the Iran-Contra mess, the S&L fiasco, Enron, WMD's, and now this. The only thing they had going for them was the deficit, but Dubya even fvcked that up....and he still wants to make tax cuts. DUHHHH!!

Running the country is hard work, Dubya said so himself. Maybe he should just step down if the country's welfare is cutting too deep into his vacation time.

Put that into your pipes and smoke it ya bunch of hippocrites!!!!

Gov and Mayor in LA are democrat.

So what?? How mad would you be if your family was in need....even dying? This disaster was way beyopund the scope of what a Mayor...or even a State could handle. That was obvious from the begining.
 

BBond

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Oct 3, 2004
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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Is it just me, or does the right seem to have been reduced to nothing but a bunch of loonie tunes characters?

It seems they enjoy being in charge but aren't responsiible enough to be accountable for their actions or lack thereof. From the Iran-Contra mess, the S&L fiasco, Enron, WMD's, and now this. The only thing they had going for them was the deficit, but Dubya even fvcked that up....and he still wants to make tax cuts. DUHHHH!!

Running the country is hard work, Dubya said so himself. Maybe he should just step down if the country's welfare is cutting too deep into his vacation time.

Put that into your pipes and smoke it ya bunch of hippocrites!!!!

Gov and Mayor in LA are democrat.
:laugh:

And they have the power of the president to declare an emergency right? They asked Bush repeatedly for help and got NOTHING for five long days.

You people are truly despicable. Bush is never at fault. Never accountable. It's the story of his life.

 

1EZduzit

Lifer
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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Is it just me, or does the right seem to have been reduced to nothing but a bunch of loonie tunes characters?
It's just you.

Considering the source, you just proved my point.

You couldn't (more like wouldn't) see the truth if I shoved down your throat. AFAIC, your the biggest waste of bandwidth in this forum, so excuse me if I just file your comment along with the rest of your worthless comments.
 

BBond

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Here's another cut and paste for the chicken. You people may be able to delude yourselves but the world isn't being fooled, not for one moment.

The humbling of a superpower

Like some lurid scene from an apocalyptic disaster movie, a world famous city is overwhelmed by the awesome forces of nature.

Familiar landmarks lie half-submerged in a toxic swamp of polluted water. Thousands are feared dead. Images of desperate people smashing through the roofs of their homes to escape the floods fill our TV screens.

But this is no Hollywood blockbuster. This is New Orleans today.

The most exotic, un-American corner of the United States has fallen victim to a cataclysm that almost defies belief.

A city the size of Sheffield will soon be lying completely empty, its residents fled, evacuated, or drowned.

While Washington struggles to respond to the storm that has humbled the most powerful nation on the planet, we should perhaps reflect on how quickly the thin veneer of civilisation can be stripped away.

The city's mayor has to order 1500 police officers to stop searching for survivors and instead combat looting&a police food lorry is ransacked while its crew is shot at by an armed gang&even a rescue helicopter comes under fire.

Meanwhile, four days after Hurricane Katrina, the federal Government is still struggling to come up with a viable rescue and recovery plan.

Perhaps we shouldn't be so surprised. George Bush, so decisive when it came to launching an illegal war on Iraq, froze like a rabbit in the headlamps.

It was more than two days after Hurricane Katrina tore through New Orleans before he cut short his monthlong holiday - as overwhelmed state authorities struggled to cope.

Now back in Washington, the President finds his reckless adventure in Iraq coming back to haunt him.

The National Guard, the part-time soldiers whose prime role is to provide emergency services in natural disasters, have in large part been deployed overseas.

Five thousand members of the Louisiana National Guard who should be spearheading the rescue effort watch the disaster unfold from their HQ - Camp Liberty, west of Baghdad. Equipment that could have been so valuable in the rescue operations is parked in depots there.

The same is happening across all the neighbouring states, leaving Washington bereft of vital manpower as it grapples with the greatest homeland crisis in memory.

Here is a superpower that can crush at will a tinpot dictatorship - but then becomes so bogged down in the grisly aftermath of war that it finds itself unable to respond anything like adequately to the plight of tens of thousands of its own citizens engulfed by a natural calamity.

President Bush, his ratings already in free-fall, could pay a high price indeed for his military folly.
 

1EZduzit

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Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Collosal Understatement

Read and Heed.

<Cliped from the middle>

Saving people and maintaining order are the first order of government in any disaster, and neither was achieved. The much-touted Department of Homeland Security appeared too caught up in its internal bureaucracy to perform, and the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) called off its rescue missions Thursday because residents trying to board boats were getting violent. The disorder and lawlessness was breathtaking to watch. At one point, the evacuation of patients from a hospital was halted because of gunfire. Bush talks about ?zero tolerance? for looters, but there aren?t enough police to stop them and the jails are under water. One third of the National Guard from the affected states of Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama are in Afghanistan and Iraq, and they?re the ones trained to perform the police functions that restore civil order.

Well written article!!
 

BBond

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How fvcking low can these people go?

FEMA Suggests Donor Gives To Pat Robertson's Charity

Private donors have given over $100 million to charities. On its website, FEMA lists a series of possible charities. The top three charities are: the Red Cross, Operation Second Harvest and Operation Blessing, which was founded by Christian televangelist Pat Robertson. Meanwhile the Red Cross announced last night that its shelters in the region are already at capacity with 76,000 refugees.

Headlines for September 2, 2005

 
Sep 12, 2004
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Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Is it just me, or does the right seem to have been reduced to nothing but a bunch of loonie tunes characters?

It seems they enjoy being in charge but aren't responsiible enough to be accountable for their actions or lack thereof. From the Iran-Contra mess, the S&L fiasco, Enron, WMD's, and now this. The only thing they had going for them was the deficit, but Dubya even fvcked that up....and he still wants to make tax cuts. DUHHHH!!

Running the country is hard work, Dubya said so himself. Maybe he should just step down if the country's welfare is cutting too deep into his vacation time.

Put that into your pipes and smoke it ya bunch of hippocrites!!!!

Gov and Mayor in LA are democrat.
:laugh:

And they have the power of the president to declare an emergency right? They asked Bush repeatedly for help and got NOTHING for five long days.

You people are truly despicable. Bush is never at fault. Never accountable. It's the story of his life.
Are you denying that Bush declared a federal emergency BEFORE the hurricane even hit?

It's more like you who are truly dispicable, stretching far beyond the bounds of reason in order to pin this on Bush when any fault lay elsewhere, and some of it or much of it is no real fault at all, due to the scope of the devestation. Apparently though, you just can't seem to grasp the fact that it's not so easy as just marching troops into NOLA in a moments notice. I doubt that will prevent you from your standard mission of hate and spittle-filled rants that you've always persued in this forum. Keep pretending that nobody sees that your own out-of-control emotions broadly color just about everything you say in here.
 

CaptnKirk

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Originally posted by: BBond
How fvcking low can these people go?

FEMA Suggests Donor Gives To Pat Robertson's Charity

Private donors have given over $100 million to charities. On its website, FEMA lists a series of possible charities. The top three charities are: the Red Cross, Operation Second Harvest and Operation Blessing, which was founded by Christian televangelist Pat Robertson. Meanwhile the Red Cross announced last night that its shelters in the region are already at capacity with 76,000 refugees.

Headlines for September 2, 2005

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