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totalcommand

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Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: BBond

And they have the power of the president to declare an emergency right? They asked Bush repeatedly for help and got NOTHING for five long days.

You people are truly despicable. Bush is never at fault. Never accountable. It's the story of his life.
He declared an emergency on Saturday. It's not the President's fault that people chose not to evacuate.

People didn't have a choice ***hole. They would have left if they could have. Yet another case of you not caring about the lives of the poor.

Governor Blanco says every resource was put into evacuating the city. Clearly you disagree.

No, he doesn't disagree. Adding the word "clearly" doesn't make a statement true.

Mayor Nagin is too busy bashing the Iraq war to rescue his own people using the city's own buses!

The cities buses have been put into use. Or maybe you forgot that a lot of them have been destroyed? Or that troops are needed to restore order first so chaos doesn't engulf the buses?

The local and state officials did not have the resources, and the federal government did not respond for days.
 

totalcommand

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Originally posted by: dphantom
Originally posted by: totalcommand
Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey
Originally posted by: rahvin
Originally posted by: tcsenter
If Nagin needs the federal government to take control of the situation, that can only mean his planning and response failed.

There is no question that the local response failed. They admitted as much on tuesday when they pleaded on the national news for help. The question is when they asked for that help, for the troops, the supplies and the assitance in re-establishing control why it didn't happen? We spent 30billion dollars making the department of homeland security and what did we get from it? Another layer of beaurcracy that appears to have only slowed federal assistance. Where is the federal government? Why did it take 5 days to get any boots on the ground and nearly none of them are active duty troops as requested? This has been a clusterfvck from the start, heads need to roll and the president needs to step forward and provide some fvcking leadership.

It did happen. And there have been boots on the ground - just not enough - and not in an orderly fashion - which is a STATE responsibility. To me, it seems that when the local plan failed - they just tossed their hands in the air in panic instead of finding someone locally/state to lead coordination.
The Governor's response is the next part of the chain that got overwhelmed and thus failed. It seems to me that there wasn't an immediate call for more troops when the flooding started due to the levee break.
People keep whining about the Federal Response - yet what people don't understand is that it is a local and State issue first and foremost. The Feds provide assistance to local and state efforts, but in this case there wasn't a local and state effort that was communicating and coordinating things in quick order. So THAT is why I and others keep beating back this idea that it's the Feds fault or that it was their responsibility. It's the state and local responsibility - with assistance from the Feds. The state and local coordination should be better versed in the local on the ground needs and such - and in this case they weren't.
Take a look at 9/11. A MAYOR took control and lead when he needed to lead. Yes, he was I'm sure overwhelmed at time but he didn't throw his hands in the air and start pointing fingers. This N.O. mayor is NOT a leader - he's a finger pointer. Atleast the Governor isn't playing that game - which I applaud her on.
The FACT is - the state and local systems FAILED to coordinate and put the groundwork together to be able to allow the Feds to come in with massive relief.

While I agree that the President needs to lead people through this crisis, I believe that he has done just that and this incessant whining and whining is nothing more than partisan BS- OR the lack of understanding how the relief process works and how much a President can do. I swear people think the Federal government can just snap it's fingers and fix any and all problems. I think someone in a different thread brought up the entitlement way of thinking - no doubt that is atleast partially at play in this situation.

Louisiana doesn't have the resources. Why do you think they're busing people to Texas of all places? Maybe you forgot that the policemen in Louisiana were hit by the hurricane also? They are dying and starving like the rest of the people there. From what I read the national guard was called in immediately, but for some reason, they waited several days to send them in.

The mayor of New Orleans has already said that Louisiana doesn't have enough buses, an IMMEDIATE federal response is needed as well when the local and state forces are overwhelmed, as is the case.

Actually, there are lots of buses, the NO mayor and staff just didnl;t movde them to staging areas where they could be useful.

Now, they are ruined sitting in 4 feet of water.

NO Buses

Wow, lots of useless, broken buses. Yay.

They were supposed to predict the massive flooding? If they could have done that, there would have been no disaster at all. Like I said earlier, the local resources have been DESTROYED, the state resources are OVERWHELMED, and a fast federal response was NEEDED.

 

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The National Guard is avaible to the govenor, but he sent 30% them to Iraq, right?? Not to mention all the MP's which are in a big demand in Iraq. Them poor people need a Democracy and there going to get one even if it KILLS US!!

Well some of the poor ones of us anyway.
 

zendari

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Originally posted by: totalcommand
Originally posted by: dphantom
Actually, there are lots of buses, the NO mayor and staff just didnl;t movde them to staging areas where they could be useful.

Now, they are ruined sitting in 4 feet of water.

NO Buses

Wow, lots of useless, broken buses. Yay.

They were supposed to predict the massive flooding? If they could have done that, there would have been no disaster at all. Like I said earlier, the local resources have been DESTROYED, the state resources are OVERWHELMED, and a fast federal response was NEEDED.

The mayor forgot to use those buses to evacuate the city on Saturday. They weren't broken last week.
 

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Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey
Originally posted by: rahvin
Originally posted by: tcsenter
If Nagin needs the federal government to take control of the situation, that can only mean his planning and response failed.

There is no question that the local response failed. They admitted as much on tuesday when they pleaded on the national news for help. The question is when they asked for that help, for the troops, the supplies and the assitance in re-establishing control why it didn't happen? We spent 30billion dollars making the department of homeland security and what did we get from it? Another layer of beaurcracy that appears to have only slowed federal assistance. Where is the federal government? Why did it take 5 days to get any boots on the ground and nearly none of them are active duty troops as requested? This has been a clusterfvck from the start, heads need to roll and the president needs to step forward and provide some fvcking leadership.

It did happen. And there have been boots on the ground - just not enough - and not in an orderly fashion - which is a STATE responsibility. To me, it seems that when the local plan failed - they just tossed their hands in the air in panic instead of finding someone locally/state to lead coordination.
The Governor's response is the next part of the chain that got overwhelmed and thus failed. It seems to me that there wasn't an immediate call for more troops when the flooding started due to the levee break.
People keep whining about the Federal Response - yet what people don't understand is that it is a local and State issue first and foremost. The Feds provide assistance to local and state efforts, but in this case there wasn't a local and state effort that was communicating and coordinating things in quick order. So THAT is why I and others keep beating back this idea that it's the Feds fault or that it was their responsibility. It's the state and local responsibility - with assistance from the Feds. The state and local coordination should be better versed in the local on the ground needs and such - and in this case they weren't.
Take a look at 9/11. A MAYOR took control and lead when he needed to lead. Yes, he was I'm sure overwhelmed at time but he didn't throw his hands in the air and start pointing fingers. This N.O. mayor is NOT a leader - he's a finger pointer. Atleast the Governor isn't playing that game - which I applaud her on.
The FACT is - the state and local systems FAILED to coordinate and put the groundwork together to be able to allow the Feds to come in with massive relief.

While I agree that the President needs to lead people through this crisis, I believe that he has done just that and this incessant whining and whining is nothing more than partisan BS- OR the lack of understanding how the relief process works and how much a President can do. I swear people think the Federal government can just snap it's fingers and fix any and all problems. I think someone in a different thread brought up the entitlement way of thinking - no doubt that is atleast partially at play in this situation.

Let me get this straight. If a serious disaster caused great damage to a city or state, the city and the state is left to themself to coordinate and put all groundwork for the Federal agents to coming in? I mean, are you assuming the city/state officials don't live in the city and state, and they are not hit by the disaster themselves? What make you think the city/state official will have the man power and the resources to deal with the crisis, when THEY are already suffering deeply from the crisis?

Katrina is vastly different from 911 in that no matter how horrible 911 was, the damage was limited to the WTC, and the surrounding blocks. The city of New York was not under attack and the city of New York and the state of New Yok was not paralyzed. Katrina devastated Louisiana and destroyed the city of New Orlean. The city/state infrastructure was seriously damaged and the city/state officials and their faimilies are probably deeply affected by this tragedies themselves.

It is time like this when the Federal government needs to take the initiatives to contact the city/state officials and pro-actively provide any assistance they can. Yes, they should respect the boundry and not simply over stepping the city/state officials, but to say they should wait for the city/state officials before taking action, or wait for the city/state officials to laid down the ground work is just ridiculous.
 

totalcommand

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Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: totalcommand
Originally posted by: dphantom
Actually, there are lots of buses, the NO mayor and staff just didnl;t movde them to staging areas where they could be useful.

Now, they are ruined sitting in 4 feet of water.

NO Buses

Wow, lots of useless, broken buses. Yay.

They were supposed to predict the massive flooding? If they could have done that, there would have been no disaster at all. Like I said earlier, the local resources have been DESTROYED, the state resources are OVERWHELMED, and a fast federal response was NEEDED.

The mayor forgot to use those buses to evacuate the city on Saturday. They weren't broken last week.

You forgot that he couldn't predict a destruction of this magnitude. You forgot that the drivers themselves were evacuating. You forgot that the poor are people too and deserve to live just as much as the rich. You forgot that the federal government waited days to do the response - which is when it really mattered.
 

zendari

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Originally posted by: totalcommand
Originally posted by: zendari

The mayor forgot to use those buses to evacuate the city on Saturday. They weren't broken last week.

You forgot that he couldn't predict a destruction of this magnitude. You forgot that the drivers themselves were evacuating. You forgot that the poor are people too and deserve to live just as much as the rich. You forgot that the federal government waited days to do the response - which is when it really mattered.

If the mayor and governor had put effort into the evacuation before the hurricane as they claimed these buses would have been used to evacuate the poor along with the drivers.
 

totalcommand

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The worst part about the federal response is the blatant lying on their part:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/02/katrina.response/index.html

The big disconnect on New Orleans
The official version; then there's the in-the-trenches version

NEW ORLEANS, Louisiana (CNN) -- Diverging views of a crumbling New Orleans emerged Thursday. The sanitized view came from federal officials at news conferences and television appearances. But the official line was contradicted by grittier, more desperate views from the shelters and the streets.

These conflicting views came within hours, sometimes minutes of each of each other, as reflected in CNN's transcripts. The speakers include Michael Brown, chief of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, Homeland Security Director Michael Chertoff, New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin,evacuee Raymond Cooper, CNN correspondents and others. Here's what they had to say:

Conditions in the Convention Center

* FEMA chief Brown: We learned about that (Thursday), so I have directed that we have all available resources to get that convention center to make sure that they have the food and water and medical care that they need. (See video of CNN asking why FEMA is clueless about conditions -- 2:11)

* Mayor Nagin: The convention center is unsanitary and unsafe, and we are running out of supplies for the 15,000 to 20,000 people. (Hear Nagin's angry demand for soldiers. 1:04)

* CNN Producer Kim Segal: It was chaos. There was nobody there, nobody in charge. And there was nobody giving even water. The children, you should see them, they're all just in tears. There are sick people. We saw... people who are dying in front of you.

* Evacuee Raymond Cooper: Sir, you've got about 3,000 people here in this -- in the Convention Center right now. They're hungry. Don't have any food. We were told two-and-a-half days ago to make our way to the Superdome or the Convention Center by our mayor. And which when we got here, was no one to tell us what to do, no one to direct us, no authority figure.

Uncollected corpses

* Brown: That's not been reported to me, so I'm not going to comment. Until I actually get a report from my teams that say, "We have bodies located here or there," I'm just not going to speculate.

* Segal: We saw one body. A person is in a wheelchair and someone had pushed (her) off to the side and draped just like a blanket over this person in the wheelchair. And then there is another body next to that. There were others they were willing to show us. ( See CNN report, 'People are dying in front of us' -- 4:36 )

* Evacuee Cooper: They had a couple of policemen out here, sir, about six or seven policemen told me directly, when I went to tell them, hey, man, you got bodies in there. You got two old ladies that just passed, just had died, people dragging the bodies into little corners. One guy -- that's how I found out. The guy had actually, hey, man, anybody sleeping over here? I'm like, no. He dragged two bodies in there. Now you just -- I just found out there was a lady and an old man, the lady went to nudge him. He's dead.

Hospital evacuations

* Brown: I've just learned today that we ... are in the process of completing the evacuations of the hospitals, that those are going very well.

* CNN's Dr. Sanjay Gupta: It's gruesome. I guess that is the best word for it. If you think about a hospital, for example, the morgue is in the basement, and the basement is completely flooded. So you can just imagine the scene down there. But when patients die in the hospital, there is no place to put them, so they're in the stairwells. It is one of the most unbelievable situations I've seen as a doctor, certainly as a journalist as well. There is no electricity. There is no water. There's over 200 patients still here remaining. ...We found our way in through a chopper and had to land at a landing strip and then take a boat. And it is exactly ... where the boat was traveling where the snipers opened fire yesterday, halting all the evacuations. ( Watch the video report of corpses stacked in stairwells -- 4:45 )

* Dr. Matthew Bellew, Charity Hospital: We still have 200 patients in this hospital, many of them needing care that they just can't get. The conditions are such that it's very dangerous for the patients. Just about all the patients in our services had fevers. Our toilets are overflowing. They are filled with stool and urine. And the smell, if you can imagine, is so bad, you know, many of us had gagging and some people even threw up. It's pretty rough.(Mayor's video: Armed addicts fighting for a fix -- 1:03)

Violence and civil unrest

* Brown: I've had no reports of unrest, if the connotation of the word unrest means that people are beginning to riot, or you know, they're banging on walls and screaming and hollering or burning tires or whatever. I've had no reports of that.

* CNN's Chris Lawrence: From here and from talking to the police officers, they're losing control of the city. We're now standing on the roof of one of the police stations. The police officers came by and told us in very, very strong terms it wasn't safe to be out on the street. (Watch the video report on explosions and gunfire -- 2:12)

The federal response:

* Brown: Considering the dire circumstances that we have in New Orleans, virtually a city that has been destroyed, things are going relatively well.

* Homeland Security Director Chertoff: Now, of course, a critical element of what we're doing is the process of evacuation and securing New Orleans and other areas that are afflicted. And here the Department of Defense has performed magnificently, as has the National Guard, in bringing enormous resources and capabilities to bear in the areas that are suffering.

* Crowd chanting outside the Convention Center: We want help.

* Nagin: They don't have a clue what's going on down there.

* Phyllis Petrich, a tourist stranded at the Ritz-Carlton: They are invisible. We have no idea where they are. We hear bits and pieces that the National Guard is around, but where? We have not seen them. We have not seen FEMA officials. We have seen no one.

Security

* Brown: I actually think the security is pretty darn good. There's some really bad people out there that are causing some problems, and it seems to me that every time a bad person wants to scream of cause a problem, there's somebody there with a camera to stick it in their face. ( See Jack Cafferty's rant on the government's 'bungled' response -- 0:57)

* Chertoff: In addition to local law enforcement, we have 2,800 National Guard in New Orleans as we speak today. One thousand four hundred additional National Guard military police trained soldiers will be arriving every day: 1,400 today, 1,400 tomorrow and 1,400 the next day.

* Nagin: I continue to hear that troops are on the way, but we are still protecting the city with only 1,500 New Orleans police officers, an additional 300 law enforcement personnel, 250 National Guard troops, and other military personnel who are primarily focused on evacuation.

* Lawrence: The police are very, very tense right now. They're literally riding around, full assault weapons, full tactical gear, in pickup trucks. Five, six, seven, eight officers. It is a very tense situation here.
 

dahunan

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Never ever ever say the US Govt. might have told a lie.. and if they did then it is acceptable since we aren't smart enough to handle the truth
 

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Where are the stories of courage and excellence from those affected by Katrina?

Is there only whining and woe?

Can anyone from that area assure the rest of the nation that we have a solid group of great Americans who will make the rest of us proud by their willingness to begin again?

How long will some of us continue to ingest the drug of -grief and hand ringing - much like an irresponsible crack hoe?
 
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Originally posted by: MrPALCO
Where are the stories of courage and excellence from those affected by Katrina?

Is there only whining and woe?

Can anyone from that area assure the rest of the nation that we have a solid group of great Americans who will make the rest of us proud by their willingness to begin again?

How long will some of us continue to ingest the drug of -grief and hand ringing - much like an irresponsible crack hoe?
Buddy, P&N is a veritable 500 room crack mansion of handwringing and grief.

 

dphantom

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Originally posted by: totalcommand
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: totalcommand
Originally posted by: dphantom
Actually, there are lots of buses, the NO mayor and staff just didnl;t movde them to staging areas where they could be useful.

Now, they are ruined sitting in 4 feet of water.

NO Buses

Wow, lots of useless, broken buses. Yay.

They were supposed to predict the massive flooding? If they could have done that, there would have been no disaster at all. Like I said earlier, the local resources have been DESTROYED, the state resources are OVERWHELMED, and a fast federal response was NEEDED.

The mayor forgot to use those buses to evacuate the city on Saturday. They weren't broken last week.

You forgot that he couldn't predict a destruction of this magnitude. You forgot that the drivers themselves were evacuating. You forgot that the poor are people too and deserve to live just as much as the rich. You forgot that the federal government waited days to do the response - which is when it really mattered.

Under an evacuation order, knowing Katrina was a CAT V weakened at teh last moment to a CAT IV, local officials should have been better prepared.

Several examples:

If you are evacuating people to the Superdome, one is expecting that to be a staging area. Officials should have began prepositioing food and water if they expected citizens to evacuate there.

Key resources such as transportation, construction equipment, mediacal supplies etc... all should be placed in safe staging areas outside the expected disaster area so they can be allocated when the magnitude of the disaster is known.

This disaster grew. The levees did not break until Monday night/Tuesday. That changed the nature of the reponse.

I write and test disaster plans. No plan ever covers all contingencies. Officials need to be trained to stay ahead of the decision making cycle otherwise they get overwhelmed by events. That appears to be what has happened here.

By Tuesday at first light, it was clear how much the disaster had enlarged. By Friday morning, convoys of supplies as well as over 10k National Guard with supporting Coast Guard, Navy and civilian law enforcement from around the country were in direct support of the emergency.

That is a phenomenal response. All those troops must have food, water, fuel to act effectively. So its not just about sending in people. Their infrastructure needs to be in place so ongoing operations can be effective.

There's enough blame to go around. Work the problem. Everything else will get taken care of later.
 

totalcommand

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Originally posted by: dphantom
Originally posted by: totalcommand
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: totalcommand
Originally posted by: dphantom
Actually, there are lots of buses, the NO mayor and staff just didnl;t movde them to staging areas where they could be useful.

Now, they are ruined sitting in 4 feet of water.

NO Buses

Wow, lots of useless, broken buses. Yay.

They were supposed to predict the massive flooding? If they could have done that, there would have been no disaster at all. Like I said earlier, the local resources have been DESTROYED, the state resources are OVERWHELMED, and a fast federal response was NEEDED.

The mayor forgot to use those buses to evacuate the city on Saturday. They weren't broken last week.

You forgot that he couldn't predict a destruction of this magnitude. You forgot that the drivers themselves were evacuating. You forgot that the poor are people too and deserve to live just as much as the rich. You forgot that the federal government waited days to do the response - which is when it really mattered.

Under an evacuation order, knowing Katrina was a CAT V weakened at teh last moment to a CAT IV, local officials should have been better prepared.

Several examples:

If you are evacuating people to the Superdome, one is expecting that to be a staging area. Officials should have began prepositioing food and water if they expected citizens to evacuate there.

Key resources such as transportation, construction equipment, mediacal supplies etc... all should be placed in safe staging areas outside the expected disaster area so they can be allocated when the magnitude of the disaster is known.

The whole city of New Orleans is a disaster. No one predicted anything even close to that.
Katrina grew from a Cat 1 to Cat 5 very quickly (12 hours before striking), which is why the response was so late and fractured.

This disaster grew. The levees did not break until Monday night/Tuesday. That changed the nature of the reponse.

I write and test disaster plans. No plan ever covers all contingencies. Officials need to be trained to stay ahead of the decision making cycle otherwise they get overwhelmed by events. That appears to be what has happened here.

By Tuesday at first light, it was clear how much the disaster had enlarged. By Friday morning, convoys of supplies as well as over 10k National Guard with supporting Coast Guard, Navy and civilian law enforcement from around the country were in direct support of the emergency.

That is a phenomenal response. All those troops must have food, water, fuel to act effectively. So its not just about sending in people. Their infrastructure needs to be in place so ongoing operations can be effective.

There's enough blame to go around. Work the problem. Everything else will get taken care of later.

I really don't think it should take that long. Think of if a nuclear weapon was detonated in a city. Is this sort of 3 days late response sufficient? Absolutely not. The federal government should have had plans in place that allow for immediate relief and control. It's a matter of national security.
 

dphantom

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There's enough blame to go around. Work the problem. Everything else will get taken care of later.[/quote]

I really don't think it should take that long. Think of if a nuclear weapon was detonated in a city. Is this sort of 3 days late response sufficient? Absolutely not. The federal government should have had plans in place that allow for immediate relief and control. It's a matter of national security.[/quote]

That really is not long at all. Think about the logistics. National Guard were on the streets (in low numbers) by Tuesday. NGers are civilians with civilian jobs. Many got called Tuesday at work and the earliest you could expect to see them is Tuesday afternoon. Wednesday they would stage at their base getting loaded up to arrive Thursday/Friday.

By Tuesday afternoon as the magnitude of the problem became clear, additioanal NGers would be activated with the same time line only these would start to arrive late thursday or Friday.

I am not making excuses for anyone. But if you are going to complain about the response effort, at least think about what it takes to move 10-20K plus troops with all their equipment food, fuel, etc...

Plans are in place. It just cannot physically happen overnight.

And if there was a nudet, believe me on this one, anyone who survived the initial blast, but was within the high radioactive area, would be left to die, as heartless as that sounds.
 

conjur

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Mississippi River has been OPENED for Commercial Traffic


From mile 0 up to at least mile 35 (I think that's what she said)

Isn't that just MAGIC?!?!

The moment the Propagandist shows up in the Gulf the river magically gets open to commercial traffic!!



And...awww...the FEMA official, Bill Loki (sp?) just left the news conference. He was tired of the hard-hitting questions. Poor baby.
 

dphantom

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Originally posted by: conjur
Mississippi River has been OPENED for Commercial Traffic


From mile 0 up to at least mile 35 (I think that's what she said)

Isn't that just MAGIC?!?!

The moment the Propagandist shows up in the Gulf the river magically gets open to commercial traffic!!



And...awww...the FEMA official, Bill Loki (sp?) just left the news conference. He was tired of the hard-hitting questions. Poor baby.

Congratulations, you just created another conspiracy theory. Good work. :disgust:

 

conjur

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http://www.nola.com/weblogs/nola
Name: Robert LeBlanc

Subject: My Hurricane Story -- The Positive Stories Must Get Out

Story: Please help me to get this story out. We need to get the truth out and these people helped.

Jeff Rau, a family and now personal friend to whom I will forever be linked, and I were volunteering with a boat and pulling people out of the water on Wednesday. I have a first-hand experience of what we encountered. In my opinion, everything that is going on in the media is a complete bastardization of what is really happening. The result is that good people are dying and losing family members. I have my own set of opinions about welfare and people working to improve thier own lot instead of looking for handouts, but what is occurring now is well beyond those borders. These people need help and need to get out. We can sort out all of the social and political issues later, but human beings with any sense of compassion would agree that the travesty that is going on here in New Orleans needs to end and people's lives need to be saved and families need to be put back together. Now.

I will tell you that I would probably disagree with most of the people that still need to be saved on political, social, and cultural values. However, it must be noted that these people love thier friends and families like I do, desire to live like I do, and care for their respective communities (I was even amazed at the site of seemingly young and poor black people caring for sickly and seemingly well-to-do white people and tourists still needing evacuation from New Orleans' downtown area) the same way I care for mine.

Eight people in particular who stood out during our rescue and whose stories deserve to be told:

1.) We were in motor boats all day ferrying people back and forth approximately a mile and a half each way (from Carrolton down Airline Hwy to the Causeway overpass). Early in the day, we witnessed a black man in a boat with no motor paddling with a piece of lumber. He rescued people in the boat and paddled them to safety (a mile and a half). He then, amidst all of the boats with motors, turned around and paddled back out across the mile and a half stretch to do his part in getting more people out. He refused to give up or occupy any of the motored boat resources because he did not want to slow us down in our efforts. I saw him at about 5:00 p.m., paddling away from the rescue point back out into the neighborhoods with about a half mile until he got to the neighborhood, just two hours before nightfall. I am sure that his trip took at least an hour and a half each trip, and he was going back to get more people knowing that he'd run out of daylight. He did all of this wit! h a t!
wo-by-four.

2.) One of the groups that we rescued were 50 people standing on the bridge that crosses over Airline Hwy just before getting to Carrolton Ave going toward downtown. Most of these people had been there, with no food, water, or anyplace to go since Monday morning (we got to them Wed afternoon) and surrounded by 10 feet of water all around them. There was one guy who had been there since the beginning, organizing people and helping more people to get to the bridge safely as more water rose on Wednesday morning. He did not leave the bridge until everyone got off safely, even deferring to people who had gotten to the bridge Wed a.m. and, although inconvenienced by loss of power and weather damage, did have the luxury of some food and some water as late as Tuesday evening. This guy waited on the bridge until dusk, and was one of the last boats out that night. He could have easily not made it out that night and been stranded on the bridge alone.

3.) The third story may be the most compelling. I will not mince words. This was in a really rough neighborhood and we came across five seemingly unsavory characters. One had scars from what seemed to be gunshot wounds. We found these guys at a two-story recreational complex, one of the only two-story buildings in the neighborhood. They broke into the center and tried to rustle as many people as possible from the neighborhood into the center. These guys stayed outside in the center all day, getting everyone out of the rec center onto boats. We approached them at approximately 6:30 p.m., obviously one of the last trips of the day, and they sent us further into the neighborhood to get more people out of homes and off rooftops instead of getting on themselves. This at the risk of their not getting out and having to stay in the water for an undetermined (you have to understand the uncertainly that all of the people in these accounts faced without having any info on the resc! ue ef!
forts, how far or deep the flooding was, or where to go if they want to swim or walk out) amount of time. These five guys were on the last boat out of the neighborhood at sundown. They were incredibly grateful, mentioned numerous times 'God is going to bless y'all for this'. When we got them to the dock, they offered us an Allen Iverson jersey off of one of their backs as a gesture of gratitude, which was literally probably the most valuable possession among them all. Obviously, we declined, but I remain tremendously impacted by this gesture.

I don't know what to do with all of this, but I think we need to get this story out. Some of what is being portrayed among the media is happening and is terrible, but it is among a very small group of people, not the majority. They make it seem like New Orleans has somehow taken the atmosphere of the mobs in Mogadishu portrayed in the book and movie "Black Hawk Down," which is making volunteers (including us) more hesitant and rescue attempts more difficult. As a result, people are dying. My family has been volunteering at the shelters here in Houma and can count on one hand the number of people among thousands who have not said "Thank You." or "God Bless You." Their lives shattered and families torn apart, gracious just to have us serve them beans and rice.

If anything, these eight people's stories deserve to be told, so that people across the world will know what they really did in the midst of this devastation. So that it will not be assumed that they were looting hospitals, they were shooting at helicopters. It must be known that they, like many other people that we encountered, sacrificed themselves during all of this to help other people in more dire straits than their own.

It is also important to know that this account is coming from someone who is politically conservative, believes in capitalism and free enterprise, and is traditionally against many of the opinions and stances of activists like Michael Moore and other liberals on most of the hot-topic political issues of the day. Believe me, I am not the political activist. This transcends politics. This is about humanity and helping mankind. We need to get these people out. Save their lives. We can sort out all of the political and social issues later. People need to know the truth of what is going on at the ground level so that they know that New Orleans and the people stranded there are, despite being panicked and desperate, gracious people and they deserve the chance to live. They need all of our help, as well.

This is an accurate account of things. Jeffery Rau would probably tell the same exact stories.

Regards,
Robert LeBlanc


Wow.
 

Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Dan using this tragedy to bash Bush? OMG, what a surprise. Geez. Who next? BBond? conjur? :roll:

Pathetic trolls.
And Chicken ignoring the facts to shill for Bush. OMG, what a surprise. Pathetic tool.

I agree some of the criticisms of Bush are out of line. He cannot be blamed for everything. However, the performance of his administration has been inadequate, IMO. BushCo's actions over the past five years and their current response to this disaster deserve criticism. The fact is that FEMA (and many others) predicted this disaster. The fact is that BushCo moved FEMA under Homeland Security, and that this may have compromised the agency's ability to serve its mission. The fact is the Army Corp of Engineers had a plan the improve the levy system that might have mitigated the flooding in New Orleans, and that Bush cut funding for it. The fact is that BushCo's misadventure in Iraq has diverted military assets that might be saving lives and restoring order at home. The fact is Bush has not stepped up and demonstrated the level of leadership needed to give Americans confidence he and his government have this under control.

I do not particularly fault the response of local authorities. They are simply not equipped for a disaster like this. Local public safety officials rely on fixed infrastrucure (e.g., roads, communications, facilities) to perform their jobs. They're gone. The military, on the other hand, is well-equipped for situations like this. They can be self-sufficient. They can carry their infrastructure with them. They have the vehicles and equipment needed to establish bases and operate in areas without roads and radio towers.

We spend hundreds of billions of dollars on the Pentagon so they can protect America and Americans. At this moment, the single biggest risk to American lives by far is the Katrina catastrophe. In my opinion, the Bush administration should be pulling out all the stops, sending every possible military resource to the region, responding to this disaster just as they would respond to an invasion. This isn't the time for a tempered, modest response. Overreact instead of underreacting. Get the manpower and equipment down there yesterday, even if you don't know what exactly is needed, even if you don't have a master plan for day one. Let units act individually to meet local needs until the big plan is ready to execute.

In my opinion, the Bush administration should have mobilized every available military unit once Katrina's impact was recognized, staging them within a few hours of the region so they could rush in immediately as the storm passed. They shouldn't have waited to be asked. They shouldn't have waited until specific damage information was available. Worst case, if Katrina fizzled, so what? Call it a training exercise and mobilization test. People are dying by the scores, maybe even by the hundreds. Let's get some tangible return for our defense dollars.

QFT

It's just unbelievable that this is happening in America...

Local Officials Criticize Federal Government Over Response

September 2, 2005

By JOSEPH B. TREASTER
and DEBORAH SONTAG

NEW ORLEANS, Sept. 1 - Despair, privation and violent lawlessness grew so extreme in New Orleans on Thursday that the flooded city's mayor issued a "desperate S O S" and other local officials, describing the security situation as horrific, lambasted the federal government as responding too slowly to the disaster.

Thousands of refugees from Hurricane Katrina boarded buses for Houston, but others quickly took their places at the filthy, teeming Superdome, which has been serving as the primary shelter. At the increasingly unsanitary convention center, crowds swelled to about 25,000 and desperate refugees clamored for food, water and attention while dead bodies, slumped in wheelchairs or wrapped in sheets, lay in their midst.

"Some people there have not eaten or drunk water for three or four days, which is inexcusable," acknowledged Joseph W. Matthews, the director of the city's Office of Emergency Preparedness.

"We need additional troops, food, water," Mr. Matthews begged, "and we need personnel, law enforcement. This has turned into a situation where the city is being run by thugs."

Three days after the hurricane hit, bringing widespread destruction to the Gulf Coast and ruinous floods to low-lying New Orleans, the White House said President Bush would tour the region on Friday. Citing the magnitude of the disaster, federal officials defended their response so far and pledged that more help was coming. The Army Corps of Engineers continued work to close a levee breach that allowed water from Lake Pontchartrain to pour into New Orleans.

The effects of the disaster spilled out over the country. In Houston, the city began to grapple with the logistics of taking tens of thousands of refugees into the Astrodome. American Red Cross officials said late Thursday night that the Astrodome was full after accepting more than 11,000 refugees and that evacuees were being sent to other shelters in the Houston area.

Elsewhere, San Antonio and Dallas each braced for the arrival of 25,000 more, and Baton Rouge overnight replaced New Orleans as the most populous city in Louisiana and was bursting at the seams.

The devastation in the Gulf Coast also continued to roil oil markets, sending gasoline prices soaring in many areas of the country. In North Carolina, Gov. Michael F. Easley called on citizens to conserve fuel while two big pipelines that supply most of the state's gasoline were brought back on line.

Throughout the stricken region, scores of frantic people, without telephone service, asked for help contacting friends or relatives whose fates they did not know. Some ended up finding them dead. Others had emotional reunions. Newspapers offered toll-free numbers or Web message boards for the searches.

Meanwhile, the situation in New Orleans continued to deteriorate. Angry crowds chanted cries for help, and some among them rushed chaotically at helicopters bringing in food. Although Mayor C. Ray Nagin speculated that thousands might have died, officials said they still did not have a clear idea of the precise toll.

"We're just a bunch of rats," said Earle Young, 31, a cook who stood waiting in a throng of perhaps 10,000 outside the Superdome, waiting in the blazing sun for buses to take them away from the city. "That's how they've been treating us."

Chaos and gunfire hampered efforts to evacuate the Superdome, and, Superintendent P. Edward Compass III of the New Orleans Police Department said, armed thugs have taken control of the secondary makeshift shelter at the convention center. Superintendent Compass said that the thugs repelled eight squads of 11 officers each he had sent to secure the place and that rapes and assaults were occurring unimpeded in the neighboring streets as criminals "preyed upon" passers-by, including stranded tourists.

Mr. Compass said the federal government had taken too long to send in the thousands of troops - as well as the supplies, fuel, vehicles, water and food - needed to stabilize his now "very, very tenuous" city.

Col. Terry Ebbert, director of homeland security for New Orleans, concurred and he was particularly pungent in his criticism. Asserting that the whole recovery operation had been "carried on the backs of the little guys for four goddamn days," he said "the rest of the goddamn nation can't get us any resources for security."

"We are like little birds with our mouths open and you don't have to be very smart to know where to drop the worm," Colonel Ebbert said. "It's criminal within the confines of the United States that within one hour of the hurricane they weren't force-feeding us. It's like FEMA has never been to a hurricane." FEMA is the Federal Emergency Management Agency.

Federal officials took pains to defend their efforts, maintaining that supplies were pouring into the area even before the hurricane struck, that thousands of National Guard members had arrived to help secure the city and that thousands more would join them in coming days.

Gov. Kathleen Babineaux Blanco of Louisiana said some 300 National Guard members from Arkansas were flying into New Orleans with the express task of reclaiming the city. "They have M-16's and they are locked and loaded," she said.

Speaking at a news conference in Washington, Michael Chertoff, the secretary of homeland security, said that the Superdome had "crowd control issues" but that it was secure. He referred to what he called "isolated incidents of criminality" in the city.

Mr. Chertoff said Hurricane Katrina had presented a "double challenge" because it was really two disasters in one: the storm and then the flooding.

"For those who wonder why it is that it is difficult to get these supplies and these medical teams into place, the answer is they are battling an ongoing dynamic problem with the water," he said.

On Thursday, the Army Corps of Engineers was battling the water problem by finishing a metal wall across the mouth of the 17th Street Canal, the source of most of the flooding. Once finished, the wall was expected to staunch the flow from Lake Pontchartrain into the canal, which would allow engineers to repair a breach in the levee and to start pumping water from the city.

The federal government's other priority was to evacuate New Orleans, Mr. Chertoff said. To that end, some 200 buses had left the Superdome for the Astrodome in Houston by midday, he said, adding that another 200 buses were expected to start loading passengers later Thursday and that Louisiana was providing an additional 500 school buses.

On the receiving end in Houston, though, the Astrodome looked at times like a squatters' camp in a war-torn country. The refugees from Louisiana, many dirty and hungry, wandered about aimlessly, checking bulletin boards for information about their relatives, queuing up for supplies and pay phones, mobbing Red Cross volunteers to obtain free T-shirts. Many found some conditions similar to those that they left behind at the Superdome, like clogged toilets and foul restrooms.

But in Houston, there were hot showers, crates of Bibles and stacks of pizzas, while in New Orleans, many refugees scrounged for diapers, water and basic survival.

The Senate convened a special session at 10 p.m. Thursday to pass the an emergency supplemental spending bill providing $10.5 billion for relief efforts.

Senator Thad Cochran, the Mississippi Republican who is chairman of the Appropriations Committee, said he had just returned from his home state. "The whole coastal area of the state has been destroyed, virtually destroyed," he said. "It was quiet. It was eerie. It was horrible to behold."

House leaders intended to hold a special session Friday to approve the measure.

Even as administration officials pledged vast resources to the region, however, Speaker J. Dennis Hastert, Republican of Illinois, told a local newspaper, The Daily Herald, that he was skeptical about using billions in federal money to rebuild New Orleans, given its vulnerability. "It doesn't make sense to me," Mr. Hastert said. "And it's a question that certainly we should ask."

He later sought to clarify his comments, saying in a statement: "I am not advocating that the city be abandoned or relocated. My comments about rebuilding the city were intended to reflect my sincere concern with how the city is rebuilt to ensure the future protection of its citizens."

Shea Penland, director of the Pontchartrain Institute for Environmental Studies at the University of New Orleans, had stayed in his Garden District home through the storm and its immediate aftermath. But on Thursday his generator was running out of fuel, and he was tiring.

"People have only so much staying power with no infrastructure," Dr. Penland said. "I am boarding up my house today and will hopefully be in Baton Rouge or the north shore tonight."

Joseph B. Treaster reported from New Orleans, and Deborah Sontag from New York. Jeremy Alford contributed reporting from Baton Rouge, La.; Felicity Barringer from Metairie, La.; Christine Hauser from New York; and Simon Romero from Houston.
It sounds like they're finally beginning to deliver food and water to the major refuge centers, thank goodness. It's tragic to think of all the lives we might have saved had we responded more quickly and decisively. It is shameful that a major city in the middle of the most powerful and wealthy country in the world can be so quickly reduced to a third-world hellhole.

On a side note, while I thought I was inured to the callous, shameless, and often hateful rhetoric of the Bush apologists here, I find again and again I am truly appalled at some of their commentary in this and other threads. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised -- it's the same putrid BS they use to dismiss the tens of thousands of innocents who've died in Iraq (right down to the "It's their own fault they didn't leave Falluj ... err ... New Orleans.") -- but it's so much more personal this time. It makes me hope there is a God, just so these inhuman a'holes will someday be held accountable.

I also find it amusing (in a disgusting sort of way) that these same people who love to proclaim their support and confidence in the U.S. military are so quick to abandon them when it means criticizing BushCo. They are faced with a conundrum. Do they acknowledge the poor performance of their Commander in Chief, or do they claim the military is incapable? Their choice is hardly a surprise. They've proven over and over there is no depth they won't plumb to divert anything even vaguely critical of the Bush administration. Fortunately, I have far more faith in and respect for our armed forces. Their slow response is NOT a lack of ability. It is a lack of leadership, a tragic, fatal lack of leadership.

In fact, if there is a silver lining, it's that more and more ordinary people are openly recognizing what a miserable failure BushCo is. Time and again today, I heard vocal criticism of the government's inept response. People are horrified at the pictures we're seeing and stories we're hearing, with the consistent theme, "Where are they? Why aren't they doing anything?" People who once rationalized that "at least Bush is a strong leader," now recognize just how insubstantial he is.
 

Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: conjur
http://www.nola.com/weblogs/nola
Name: Robert LeBlanc

Subject: My Hurricane Story -- The Positive Stories Must Get Out

Story: Please help me to get this story out. We need to get the truth out and these people helped.

Jeff Rau, a family and now personal friend to whom I will forever be linked, and I were volunteering with a boat and pulling people out of the water on Wednesday. I have a first-hand experience of what we encountered. In my opinion, everything that is going on in the media is a complete bastardization of what is really happening. The result is that good people are dying and losing family members. I have my own set of opinions about welfare and people working to improve thier own lot instead of looking for handouts, but what is occurring now is well beyond those borders. These people need help and need to get out. We can sort out all of the social and political issues later, but human beings with any sense of compassion would agree that the travesty that is going on here in New Orleans needs to end and people's lives need to be saved and families need to be put back together. Now.

I will tell you that I would probably disagree with most of the people that still need to be saved on political, social, and cultural values. However, it must be noted that these people love thier friends and families like I do, desire to live like I do, and care for their respective communities (I was even amazed at the site of seemingly young and poor black people caring for sickly and seemingly well-to-do white people and tourists still needing evacuation from New Orleans' downtown area) the same way I care for mine.

Eight people in particular who stood out during our rescue and whose stories deserve to be told:

1.) We were in motor boats all day ferrying people back and forth approximately a mile and a half each way (from Carrolton down Airline Hwy to the Causeway overpass). Early in the day, we witnessed a black man in a boat with no motor paddling with a piece of lumber. He rescued people in the boat and paddled them to safety (a mile and a half). He then, amidst all of the boats with motors, turned around and paddled back out across the mile and a half stretch to do his part in getting more people out. He refused to give up or occupy any of the motored boat resources because he did not want to slow us down in our efforts. I saw him at about 5:00 p.m., paddling away from the rescue point back out into the neighborhoods with about a half mile until he got to the neighborhood, just two hours before nightfall. I am sure that his trip took at least an hour and a half each trip, and he was going back to get more people knowing that he'd run out of daylight. He did all of this wit! h a t!
wo-by-four.

2.) One of the groups that we rescued were 50 people standing on the bridge that crosses over Airline Hwy just before getting to Carrolton Ave going toward downtown. Most of these people had been there, with no food, water, or anyplace to go since Monday morning (we got to them Wed afternoon) and surrounded by 10 feet of water all around them. There was one guy who had been there since the beginning, organizing people and helping more people to get to the bridge safely as more water rose on Wednesday morning. He did not leave the bridge until everyone got off safely, even deferring to people who had gotten to the bridge Wed a.m. and, although inconvenienced by loss of power and weather damage, did have the luxury of some food and some water as late as Tuesday evening. This guy waited on the bridge until dusk, and was one of the last boats out that night. He could have easily not made it out that night and been stranded on the bridge alone.

3.) The third story may be the most compelling. I will not mince words. This was in a really rough neighborhood and we came across five seemingly unsavory characters. One had scars from what seemed to be gunshot wounds. We found these guys at a two-story recreational complex, one of the only two-story buildings in the neighborhood. They broke into the center and tried to rustle as many people as possible from the neighborhood into the center. These guys stayed outside in the center all day, getting everyone out of the rec center onto boats. We approached them at approximately 6:30 p.m., obviously one of the last trips of the day, and they sent us further into the neighborhood to get more people out of homes and off rooftops instead of getting on themselves. This at the risk of their not getting out and having to stay in the water for an undetermined (you have to understand the uncertainly that all of the people in these accounts faced without having any info on the resc! ue ef!
forts, how far or deep the flooding was, or where to go if they want to swim or walk out) amount of time. These five guys were on the last boat out of the neighborhood at sundown. They were incredibly grateful, mentioned numerous times 'God is going to bless y'all for this'. When we got them to the dock, they offered us an Allen Iverson jersey off of one of their backs as a gesture of gratitude, which was literally probably the most valuable possession among them all. Obviously, we declined, but I remain tremendously impacted by this gesture.

I don't know what to do with all of this, but I think we need to get this story out. Some of what is being portrayed among the media is happening and is terrible, but it is among a very small group of people, not the majority. They make it seem like New Orleans has somehow taken the atmosphere of the mobs in Mogadishu portrayed in the book and movie "Black Hawk Down," which is making volunteers (including us) more hesitant and rescue attempts more difficult. As a result, people are dying. My family has been volunteering at the shelters here in Houma and can count on one hand the number of people among thousands who have not said "Thank You." or "God Bless You." Their lives shattered and families torn apart, gracious just to have us serve them beans and rice.

If anything, these eight people's stories deserve to be told, so that people across the world will know what they really did in the midst of this devastation. So that it will not be assumed that they were looting hospitals, they were shooting at helicopters. It must be known that they, like many other people that we encountered, sacrificed themselves during all of this to help other people in more dire straits than their own.

It is also important to know that this account is coming from someone who is politically conservative, believes in capitalism and free enterprise, and is traditionally against many of the opinions and stances of activists like Michael Moore and other liberals on most of the hot-topic political issues of the day. Believe me, I am not the political activist. This transcends politics. This is about humanity and helping mankind. We need to get these people out. Save their lives. We can sort out all of the political and social issues later. People need to know the truth of what is going on at the ground level so that they know that New Orleans and the people stranded there are, despite being panicked and desperate, gracious people and they deserve the chance to live. They need all of our help, as well.

This is an accurate account of things. Jeffery Rau would probably tell the same exact stories.

Regards,
Robert LeBlanc


Wow.
:beer:

Wow, indeed. There's the true spirit of America. Thanks for posting it.
 

conjur

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Another damn liberal giving this admin an "F".
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20050902/pl_afp/usweatherdeaths
BATON ROUGE, United States (AFP) - US Senator David Vitter said that the death toll from Hurricane Katrina could top 10,000 in Louisiana alone.

"My guess is that it will start at 10,000, but that is only a guess," Vitter said, adding that he was not basing his remarks on any official death toll or body count.

Vitter, a Louisiana Republican, also called for the immediate deployment of regular US combat troops in New Orleans, saying the build-up of National Guard troops was too slow to quickly restore order.

[...]

Vitter, speaking to reporters at the emergency response center in Baton Rouge, also said he gave the federal government a grade 'F' for its response to the disaster so far.
 

Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: ExpertNovice
Originally posted by: PELarson
And that is the problem with the current administration.

We have had almost 4 years to prepare for a major disaster. We knew a major storm could hit landfall at any point along the coast. But apparently instead of having a worse case plan to start from they FEMA and the BUsh administration are winging it.

5 days to get personnel and equipment rolling and maybe into a area closer to the expected disaster area.

If they can't figure out how to build contingence plans hire someone from the War Plans department of the Pentagon to show your personnel how to do it.

I agree. What I'm not sure about is how "Homeland Security" and FEMA interact. "Homeland Security" is under the control of the President but unless terrorists caused Katrina I'm not sure this department has the authority to take any action.

FEMA on the other hand has more authority to take action than any other agency. Under such conditions they have absolute power over the President, the Constitution, and the People of the United States. So, what is their problem.

The same thing happened in August of 1992 when FEMA responded very slowly to Hurricane Andrew. Andrew did 30 billion dollars in damage. The dollar damage of Hurricane Katrina will be about the same Andrew, the ocean damage is likely to be much less, but the human death toll could be the worst we have ever seen.

Is it time to make FEMA responsible to Congress or even the President? In 1992 President Bush saw that FEMA was, well, doing nothing and jumped into action. It looks like President Bush will have to do the same.

FEMA. Federal Emergency Malfesance Agency
(BTW, if you liked that acronym... EPA = Environmental Pollution Agency... think MTBE)
FEMA used to be an independent cabinet-level agency. It is now part of Homeland Security, along with the Coast Guard and other agencies whose missions have little if anything to do with terrorism. This was widely criticized when the Bush administration created HS. Also, according to an article posted somewhere around here, placing FEMA under HS undermined FEMA's capabilities and prompted the departures of key FEMA personnel.
 

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Originally posted by: Bowfinger

FEMA used to be an independent cabinet-level agency. It is now part of Homeland Security, along with the Coast Guard and other agencies whose missions have little if anything to do with terrorism. This was widely criticized when the Bush administration created HS. Also, according to an article posted somewhere around here, placing FEMA under HS undermined FEMA's capabilities and prompted the departures of key FEMA personnel.

In his column today Paul Krugman mentions the exodus of key FEMA personnel under Bush, and Bush's treatment of FEMA as an unwanted stepchild.

A Can't-Do Government

By PAUL KRUGMAN

Before 9/11 the Federal Emergency Management Agency listed the three most likely catastrophic disasters facing America: a terrorist attack on New York, a major earthquake in San Francisco and a hurricane strike on New Orleans. "The New Orleans hurricane scenario," The Houston Chronicle wrote in December 2001, "may be the deadliest of all." It described a potential catastrophe very much like the one now happening.

So why were New Orleans and the nation so unprepared? After 9/11, hard questions were deferred in the name of national unity, then buried under a thick coat of whitewash. This time, we need accountability.

First question: Why have aid and security taken so long to arrive? Katrina hit five days ago - and it was already clear by last Friday that Katrina could do immense damage along the Gulf Coast. Yet the response you'd expect from an advanced country never happened. Thousands of Americans are dead or dying, not because they refused to evacuate, but because they were too poor or too sick to get out without help - and help wasn't provided. Many have yet to receive any help at all.

There will and should be many questions about the response of state and local governments; in particular, couldn't they have done more to help the poor and sick escape? But the evidence points, above all, to a stunning lack of both preparation and urgency in the federal government's response.

Even military resources in the right place weren't ordered into action. "On Wednesday," said an editorial in The Sun Herald in Biloxi, Miss., "reporters listening to horrific stories of death and survival at the Biloxi Junior High School shelter looked north across Irish Hill Road and saw Air Force personnel playing basketball and performing calisthenics. Playing basketball and performing calisthenics!"

Maybe administration officials believed that the local National Guard could keep order and deliver relief. But many members of the National Guard and much of its equipment - including high-water vehicles - are in Iraq. "The National Guard needs that equipment back home to support the homeland security mission," a Louisiana Guard officer told reporters several weeks ago.

Second question: Why wasn't more preventive action taken? After 2003 the Army Corps of Engineers sharply slowed its flood-control work, including work on sinking levees. "The corps," an Editor and Publisher article says, citing a series of articles in The Times-Picayune in New Orleans, "never tried to hide the fact that the spending pressures of the war in Iraq, as well as homeland security - coming at the same time as federal tax cuts - was the reason for the strain."

In 2002 the corps' chief resigned, reportedly under threat of being fired, after he criticized the administration's proposed cuts in the corps' budget, including flood-control spending.

Third question: Did the Bush administration destroy FEMA's effectiveness? The administration has, by all accounts, treated the emergency management agency like an unwanted stepchild, leading to a mass exodus of experienced professionals.

Last year James Lee Witt, who won bipartisan praise for his leadership of the agency during the Clinton years, said at a Congressional hearing: "I am extremely concerned that the ability of our nation to prepare for and respond to disasters has been sharply eroded. I hear from emergency managers, local and state leaders, and first responders nearly every day that the FEMA they knew and worked well with has now disappeared."


I don't think this is a simple tale of incompetence. The reason the military wasn't rushed in to help along the Gulf Coast is, I believe, the same reason nothing was done to stop looting after the fall of Baghdad. Flood control was neglected for the same reason our troops in Iraq didn't get adequate armor.

At a fundamental level, I'd argue, our current leaders just aren't serious about some of the essential functions of government. They like waging war, but they don't like providing security, rescuing those in need or spending on preventive measures. And they never, ever ask for shared sacrifice.

Yesterday Mr. Bush made an utterly fantastic claim: that nobody expected the breach of the levees. In fact, there had been repeated warnings about exactly that risk.

So America, once famous for its can-do attitude, now has a can't-do government that makes excuses instead of doing its job. And while it makes those excuses, Americans are dying.
 

1EZduzit

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If it took an outcry like this to get him to admit this mistake then he will never come clean about Iraq.
 
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