Oh, that was a planned response so he could come in today with the National Guard coming in in force, convoys of buses with food/water, a multitude of helicopters, etc. and come off like some kind of goddamn savior.
Oh, that was a planned response so he could come in today with the National Guard coming in in force, convoys of buses with food/water, a multitude of helicopters, etc. and come off like some kind of goddamn savior.Originally posted by: Zebo
Our Jackass in Chief conceeds initial response to Hurricane Katrina was "not acceptable" .. when are they going to fiqure that out about Iraq where 65% of Americans have already bought the clue?
I would be more surprised at this point, if some one is connected to reality (anyone that is in charge).Originally posted by: conjur
Can you believe *THIS* spin?!
Rita Cosby asked a Col. Gomez, who is heading up the Air Force task force, why it is taking so long to get people out of the Convention Center.
This man actually, said, "It's not taking as long as people think."
WTF!?!?!?
Talk about disconnect from reality!!
Originally posted by: conjur
Oh, that was a planned response so he could come in today with the National Guard coming in in force, convoys of buses with food/water, a multitude of helicopters, etc. and come off like some kind of goddamn savior.Originally posted by: Zebo
Our Jackass in Chief conceeds initial response to Hurricane Katrina was "not acceptable" .. when are they going to fiqure that out about Iraq where 65% of Americans have already bought the clue?
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: conjur
Oh, that was a planned response so he could come in today with the National Guard coming in in force, convoys of buses with food/water, a multitude of helicopters, etc. and come off like some kind of goddamn savior.Originally posted by: Zebo
Our Jackass in Chief conceeds initial response to Hurricane Katrina was "not acceptable" .. when are they going to fiqure that out about Iraq where 65% of Americans have already bought the clue?
Well maybe New Orleans should have used their buses(they had hundreds of them) to move people rather than waiting for the fed. HEck the could have even brought back provisions on the return trip. The city of new orleans and the state of LA botched this effort as well. There is much the local goverment could have done, but did not.
The city didn't have the resources at that point. Remember, 80% of the city had evacuated including some city workers. What was left when the levee breached wasn't enough to man the buses, attain food/water, deliver it to the Superdome/Conv. Ctr, evac the people ALL THE WHILE maintaining order and working with the state and Feds to bring in more help.Originally posted by: charrison
Well maybe New Orleans should have used their buses(they had hundreds of them) to move people rather than waiting for the fed. HEck the could have even brought back provisions on the return trip. The city of new orleans and the state of LA botched this effort as well. There is much the local goverment could have done, but did not.Originally posted by: conjur
Oh, that was a planned response so he could come in today with the National Guard coming in in force, convoys of buses with food/water, a multitude of helicopters, etc. and come off like some kind of goddamn savior.Originally posted by: Zebo
Our Jackass in Chief conceeds initial response to Hurricane Katrina was "not acceptable" .. when are they going to fiqure that out about Iraq where 65% of Americans have already bought the clue?
Oh brother. These folks don't have a clue if they think deploying regular Army and Army Reserves will be faster than the National Guard, which has a civil response mission and is very experienced at it. The Army would be pulling into New Orleans right about two weeks from now. Regular military does nothing without weeks of preparation first.Vitter, a Louisiana Republican, also called for the immediate deployment of regular US combat troops in New Orleans, saying the build-up of National Guard troops was too slow to quickly restore order.
That is sickening. Typical Rivera, exploiting suffering for ratings. I wonder if he is going to tip-off the roving armed mobs to the National Guard's movements, like he did in Iraq?Geraldo Rivera, on FOX News, is holding children up close to the camera pleading, "LOOK AT THIS CHILD, LOOK....THIS IS NOT POLITICAL SPIN, THIS IS NOT REPUB/DEM.....LET THESE PEOPLE GO! LET THEM LIVE, LET THEM WALK OUT!"
They got it and sent it in, they've been pouring into the massive damage area for three days now, of which New Orleans is only a small part (and not even the hardest hit).don't know how hard Gov. Blanco leaned on the Feds and worked to get the Nat'l Guard in. She said on Tuesday that she requested assistance. What happened to it?
Originally posted by: conjur
The city didn't have the resources at that point. Remember, 80% of the city had evacuated including some city workers. What was left when the levee breached wasn't enough to man the buses, attain food/water, deliver it to the Superdome/Conv. Ctr, evac the people ALL THE WHILE maintaining order and working with the state and Feds to bring in more help.Originally posted by: charrison
Well maybe New Orleans should have used their buses(they had hundreds of them) to move people rather than waiting for the fed. HEck the could have even brought back provisions on the return trip. The city of new orleans and the state of LA botched this effort as well. There is much the local goverment could have done, but did not.Originally posted by: conjur
Oh, that was a planned response so he could come in today with the National Guard coming in in force, convoys of buses with food/water, a multitude of helicopters, etc. and come off like some kind of goddamn savior.Originally posted by: Zebo
Our Jackass in Chief conceeds initial response to Hurricane Katrina was "not acceptable" .. when are they going to fiqure that out about Iraq where 65% of Americans have already bought the clue?
I don't know how hard Gov. Blanco leaned on the Feds and worked to get the Nat'l Guard in. She said on Tuesday that she requested assistance. What happened to it?
Originally posted by: rahvin
In fact all relief efforts had to be abandoned to attempt to restore order because there were insufficient personel. Boots on the ground is what was needed, 5 days later it looks like we finally have some.
It's assoundingly bad. Utah has the possibility of a 7.0 earthquake. An earthquake that the vast majority of this city is not designed to withstand. Based on what has happened in NO if an earthquake happens here I won't expect assistance for a month. FEMA should be disbanded after this performance, they have provided almost nothing and we spend how many billions on them every year?
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: rahvin
In fact all relief efforts had to be abandoned to attempt to restore order because there were insufficient personel. Boots on the ground is what was needed, 5 days later it looks like we finally have some.
It's assoundingly bad. Utah has the possibility of a 7.0 earthquake. An earthquake that the vast majority of this city is not designed to withstand. Based on what has happened in NO if an earthquake happens here I won't expect assistance for a month. FEMA should be disbanded after this performance, they have provided almost nothing and we spend how many billions on them every year?
Hopefuly Utah has better disaster planning than LA>
Twenty-four hours after Hurricane Katrina battered the Gulf Coast, an estimated 7,500 National Guard troops from Alabama, Florida, Louisiana and Mississippi were on duty today, supporting civil authorities, distributing generators, providing medical care, and setting up shelters for displaced residents.
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As of 8 a.m. today, almost 3,800 Louisiana Army and Air Guard members were on duty to remove debris, provide security and shelter, distribute water, food and ice, and offer medical and law-enforcement support, National Guard Bureau officials said.
HA everyone knows this is a lie. After all, we have seen for ourselves the National Guard are only just arriving in New Orleans. And New Orleans is the only area affected by Katrina.Twenty-four hours after Hurricane Katrina battered the Gulf Coast, an estimated 7,500 National Guard troops from Alabama, Florida, Louisiana and Mississippi were on duty today, supporting civil authorities, distributing generators, providing medical care, and setting up shelters for displaced residents.
Originally posted by: tcsenter
HA everyone knows this is a lie. After all, we have seen for ourselves the National Guard are only just arriving in New Orleans. And New Orleans is the only area affected by Katrina.Twenty-four hours after Hurricane Katrina battered the Gulf Coast, an estimated 7,500 National Guard troops from Alabama, Florida, Louisiana and Mississippi were on duty today, supporting civil authorities, distributing generators, providing medical care, and setting up shelters for displaced residents.
I know this because 99% of the media coverage has been about New Orleans. Surely if there were other areas hit even harder and needing just as much assistance, like those east of NOLA where Katrina hit hardest, the media would be reporting it. Right?
And its not, so we know that New Orleans is the only area affected severely and in need of assistance. These 7500 troops must have stopped on the way to NOLA to go shopping for a few days, or something.
What excuses? It's a practical matter. 100-200 buses isn't going to evac 100,000 people.Originally posted by: charrison
OF course they could have bussed everyone out before the storm the hit. Or moved the busses out of town so they are sitting in 8 feet of water right now.
I am sure they could have found someone to drive the buses if they had to. There is much the local goverment and population could have done, other than whine from help from the fed.
Stop making excuses for the state local goverment.
Hurricane Katrina: Why is the Red Cross not in New Orleans?
* Acess to New Orleans is controlled by the National Guard and local authorities and while we are in constant contact with them, we simply cannot enter New Orleans against their orders.
* The state Homeland Security Department had requested--and continues to request--that the American Red Cross not come back into New Orleans following the hurricane. Our presence would keep people from evacuating and encourage others to come into the city.
Originally posted by: conjur
What excuses? It's a practical matter. 100-200 buses isn't going to evac 100,000 people.Originally posted by: charrison
OF course they could have bussed everyone out before the storm the hit. Or moved the busses out of town so they are sitting in 8 feet of water right now.
I am sure they could have found someone to drive the buses if they had to. There is much the local goverment and population could have done, other than whine from help from the fed.
Stop making excuses for the state local goverment.
Originally posted by: conjur
What excuses? It's a practical matter. 100-200 buses isn't going to evac 100,000 people.Originally posted by: charrison
OF course they could have bussed everyone out before the storm the hit. Or moved the busses out of town so they are sitting in 8 feet of water right now.
I am sure they could have found someone to drive the buses if they had to. There is much the local goverment and population could have done, other than whine from help from the fed.
Stop making excuses for the state local goverment.
The tens of thousands who did in fact attempt to return for up to 48 hours after Katrina to check on their homes and the like but were turned away by police blockades, since early reports were that NOLA had largely been spared and the flooding didn't begin until after Katrina.Encourage others to come into the city? WTF?!? Why would anyone go INTO the city knowing it's underwater and has no food/water?
Originally posted by: charrison
there are far more than 200 buses in that area. If they would have found 500 buses, they could have removed everyone in just a few trips.
Did you even read a word of what you wrote?Originally posted by: tcsenter
The tens of thousands who did in fact attempt to return for up to 48 hours after Katrina to check on their homes and the like but were turned away by police blockades, since early reports were that NOLA had largely been spared and the flooding didn't begin until after Katrina.Encourage others to come into the city? WTF?!? Why would anyone go INTO the city knowing it's underwater and has no food/water?
Haven't you been paying attention, or are you just getting all your "news" from Moveon.org?
Oh, there are? Proof, please.Originally posted by: charrison
there are far more than 200 buses in that area. If they would have found 500 buses, they could have removed everyone in just a few trips.Originally posted by: conjur
What excuses? It's a practical matter. 100-200 buses isn't going to evac 100,000 people.Originally posted by: charrison
OF course they could have bussed everyone out before the storm the hit. Or moved the busses out of town so they are sitting in 8 feet of water right now.
I am sure they could have found someone to drive the buses if they had to. There is much the local goverment and population could have done, other than whine from help from the fed.
Stop making excuses for the state local goverment.
Red Cross NEVER allowed into New Orleans.
by SteveRose
Fri Sep 2nd, 2005 at 18:02:05 PDT
My first diary! This whole week has been so depressing. My Red Cross donation was one bright spot. At least I had done something to help.
Then, after reading dKos and the other blogs all week and seeing over and over again comments that that FEMA and the NG were no where to be seen from the people on the ground in NO, I was wondering where the Red Cross was in all this. They were never mentioned. It was like they didn't exist. And, after yesterday's drama at the convention center, the Brown and Chertoff lies, the Red Cross was still MIA. Then, earlier today, I saw a note that the Red Cross was not allowed to enter NO. Hmm, that's doesn't make sense. This simmered for a couple hours.
So I called the Red Cross and asked them if its true....
updated to more blatant title.
SteveRose's diary :: ::
And, to my surprise, the nice lady answering the phone said it was true and they told/asked/ordered not to enter NO. She then went right into her spiel about all the other work the Red Cross was doing across the region. I said that's nice, but I still didn't understand why they weren't in NO. To my amazement, she patiently explained it to me. I even called back to verify what she said. This time she asked if I was media, I said no, just a concerned and confused contributor.
So here goes: Homeland Security (her term, not mine) told the Red Cross DO NOT enter New Orleans and says this still now. And why, you may ask? Not Security. Not worker safety. Not lack of access. It was because people would be drawn to the Red Cross food and they wouldn't want to go to be evacuated. So I asked: "The people starving and dying at the convention center yesterday couldn't get Red Cross food and water because they would be drawn to the food at the convention center, where they were, and not want to be evacuated from the convention center where no evacuations were going on or planned and all the while they are dying". (Actually, it was a couple questions.) She went back into her spiel about all of the other good work they were doing. When I asked again, she said yes, that was true. She seem relieved to admit it.
In closing, I asked if she asked this question before since she was very familiar with the answer she gave. She said yes. And I promised another donation. Which they will get after this post.
So, the question for Bushies, why was the Red Cross banned from NO when they knew people were starving? Could it be they were saving the convention center rescue until Bush's visit today? It certainly seems like it. Doesn't it?
Red Cross National Affairs number (202-303-5551)
Originally posted by: conjur
Oh, there are? Proof, please.Originally posted by: charrison
there are far more than 200 buses in that area. If they would have found 500 buses, they could have removed everyone in just a few trips.Originally posted by: conjur
What excuses? It's a practical matter. 100-200 buses isn't going to evac 100,000 people.Originally posted by: charrison
OF course they could have bussed everyone out before the storm the hit. Or moved the busses out of town so they are sitting in 8 feet of water right now.
I am sure they could have found someone to drive the buses if they had to. There is much the local goverment and population could have done, other than whine from help from the fed.
Stop making excuses for the state local goverment.