Bush's response is not adequate

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Lifted

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Lifted
I think it's safe to say this is the biggest fvck up by any administration in the history of this country. Watergate is nothing but a joke after this blunder.

You right, NO and LA goverments really screwed things up.

:disgust:

Yes you are right, I am pretty disgusted with whining and the lack of action from those to goverments.

 

[tcsenter]

no, not evacuate. Bring in food/water. MUCH faster to bring food/water INTO the city than to evacuate people out of it. See my post above.

The city is under mandatory emergency evacuation with only two or three roads going in and out, all freeways and highways impassable or under water, but you don't see any problem with hundreds of busses trying to get supplies into the city when the goal is to get everyone out as quickly as possible.

Amazing how utterly simplistic is your understanding of basic physics. Let alone the fact that New Orleans accounts for perhaps 10% of the entire immediate assistance burden in the Gulf, less in terms of geographical area devastated. But I guess the fact that the scope and magnitude of this disaster is equivalent to 5x ~ 10x NOLAs doesn't factor into your consideration. Only New Orleans counts?

All natural disaster plans and responses depend on people taking basic preparations to be without food, water, and electricity for up to several days, which can adequately be done on the cheap. In every large scale disaster, everyone left behind is going to have to wait for assistance. Whether it will be a matter of hours or days depends on where they are in relation to where the assistance must come from and the sheer scale of the disaster. History has shown us no less.

Its too bad the Democrats who control the city and state failed to adequately warn people of the consequences and to prepare for the worst, then their immediate local response collapsed within a matter of hours, hundreds of city busses sitting under water. No wonder Nagin is desperate to shift the blame.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Duckzilla

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Duckzilla
Louisiana's failure does not excuse the nation's administration. In fact, their failure is all the more reason why the feds needed to get involved.

There is plenty of blame to go around.

There have no doubt been mistakes all over, but it is also quite imposible to lay it all on fed.

Camille taught us all we needed to know. Why should we require a second example? The proverbial handwriting was on the wall. 145+ mph-sustained winds spread over 100 miles. Biloxi Mississippi is 80% LEVELED. Calling all morons!

Anyone who is guilty of inaction is to blame.

Then the local and state governments will have to take a good bit of the blame. After all, they set the building codes.

 

[Lifted]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Lifted

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Lifted
I think it's safe to say this is the biggest fvck up by any administration in the history of this country. Watergate is nothing but a joke after this blunder.

You right, NO and LA goverments really screwed things up.

:disgust:

Yes you are right, I am pretty disgusted with whining and the lack of action from those to goverments.

I see. The thing is, most intelligent people understand that when a state is demolished by a storm, hence having no power to help itself, it takes the resources of federal government to rescue these people. It's too bad there are so many people out there with sub 90 IQ's who can't comprehend this.

 

[Duckzilla]

Originally posted by: tcsenter

...
Its too bad the Democrats who control the city and state failed to adequately warn people of the consequences and to prepare for the worst, then their immediate local response collapsed within a matter of hours, hundreds of city busses sitting under water. No wonder Nagin is desperate to shift the blame.

I smell trolls. Party affiliation has nothing at all to do with this event. We established that a long time ago.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Lifted

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Lifted

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Lifted
I think it's safe to say this is the biggest fvck up by any administration in the history of this country. Watergate is nothing but a joke after this blunder.

You right, NO and LA goverments really screwed things up.

:disgust:

Yes you are right, I am pretty disgusted with whining and the lack of action from those to goverments.

I see. The thing is, most intelligent people understand that when a state is demolished by a storm, hence having no power to help itself, it takes the resources of federal government to rescue these people. It's too bad there are so many people out there with sub 90 IQ's who can't comprehend this.

Most people also understand that states run their own guard units and are in complete control of those. Most people understand that federal assistance was available before the storm hit. If there was a delay in getting the guard into NOLA is not the fault of the fed.

 

[Lifted]

Originally posted by: Duckzilla

Originally posted by: tcsenter

...
Its too bad the Democrats who control the city and state failed to adequately warn people of the consequences and to prepare for the worst, then their immediate local response collapsed within a matter of hours, hundreds of city busses sitting under water. No wonder Nagin is desperate to shift the blame.

I smell trolls. Party affiliation has nothing at all to do with this event. We established that a long time ago.

Yes, but when a Republican administration sits on it's hands for days and days after the worst natural disaster in the coutries history, the neocon's feel the need to come out and make preemptive attacks on the Left.

 

[Lifted]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Lifted

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Lifted

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Lifted
I think it's safe to say this is the biggest fvck up by any administration in the history of this country. Watergate is nothing but a joke after this blunder.

You right, NO and LA goverments really screwed things up.

:disgust:

Yes you are right, I am pretty disgusted with whining and the lack of action from those to goverments.

I see. The thing is, most intelligent people understand that when a state is demolished by a storm, hence having no power to help itself, it takes the resources of federal government to rescue these people. It's too bad there are so many people out there with sub 90 IQ's who can't comprehend this.

Most people also understand that states run their own guard units and are in complete control of those. Most people understand that federal assistance was available before the storm hit. If there was a delay in getting the guard into NOLA is not the fault of the fed.

Most people understand that the federal government sent most of the guard units to another country, therefore defeating point of a National Guard.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Lifted

Originally posted by: Duckzilla

Originally posted by: tcsenter

...
Its too bad the Democrats who control the city and state failed to adequately warn people of the consequences and to prepare for the worst, then their immediate local response collapsed within a matter of hours, hundreds of city busses sitting under water. No wonder Nagin is desperate to shift the blame.

I smell trolls. Party affiliation has nothing at all to do with this event. We established that a long time ago.

Yes, but when a Republican administration sits on it's hands for days and days after the worst natural disaster in the coutries history, the neocon's feel the need to come out and make preemptive attacks on the Left.

How exactly did the admin sit on its hands?

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Lifted

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Lifted

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Lifted

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Lifted
I think it's safe to say this is the biggest fvck up by any administration in the history of this country. Watergate is nothing but a joke after this blunder.

You right, NO and LA goverments really screwed things up.

:disgust:

Yes you are right, I am pretty disgusted with whining and the lack of action from those to goverments.

I see. The thing is, most intelligent people understand that when a state is demolished by a storm, hence having no power to help itself, it takes the resources of federal government to rescue these people. It's too bad there are so many people out there with sub 90 IQ's who can't comprehend this.

Most people also understand that states run their own guard units and are in complete control of those. Most people understand that federal assistance was available before the storm hit. If there was a delay in getting the guard into NOLA is not the fault of the fed.

Most people understand that the federal government sent most of the guard units to another country, therefore defeating point of a National Guard.

The Guard units are run by the states. Sorry if you dont like that fact.

 

[Duckzilla]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Lifted

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Lifted

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Lifted
I think it's safe to say this is the biggest fvck up by any administration in the history of this country. Watergate is nothing but a joke after this blunder.

You right, NO and LA goverments really screwed things up.

:disgust:

Yes you are right, I am pretty disgusted with whining and the lack of action from those to goverments.

I see. The thing is, most intelligent people understand that when a state is demolished by a storm, hence having no power to help itself, it takes the resources of federal government to rescue these people. It's too bad there are so many people out there with sub 90 IQ's who can't comprehend this.

Most people also understand that states run their own guard units and are in complete control of those. Most people understand that federal assistance was available before the storm hit. If there was a delay in getting the guard into NOLA is not the fault of the fed.

It doesn't matter what Louisiana did or didn't do. It is a national crisis. Bush should have been ready on day two, or day three at the latest. Stop trying to blame Louisiana for everything.

Repeat after me: "A NATIONAL CRISIS"

 

[Lifted]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Lifted

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Lifted

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Lifted

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Lifted
I think it's safe to say this is the biggest fvck up by any administration in the history of this country. Watergate is nothing but a joke after this blunder.

You right, NO and LA goverments really screwed things up.

:disgust:

Yes you are right, I am pretty disgusted with whining and the lack of action from those to goverments.

I see. The thing is, most intelligent people understand that when a state is demolished by a storm, hence having no power to help itself, it takes the resources of federal government to rescue these people. It's too bad there are so many people out there with sub 90 IQ's who can't comprehend this.

Most people also understand that states run their own guard units and are in complete control of those. Most people understand that federal assistance was available before the storm hit. If there was a delay in getting the guard into NOLA is not the fault of the fed.

Most people understand that the federal government sent most of the guard units to another country, therefore defeating point of a National Guard.

The Guard units are run by the states. Sorry if you dont like that fact.

Nice trolling. But if you do actually think that each state sents it's own gaurd units overseas, suggesting you had an IQ of 90 was being rather generous on my part.

 

[Duckzilla]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Lifted

Originally posted by: Duckzilla

Originally posted by: tcsenter

...
Its too bad the Democrats who control the city and state failed to adequately warn people of the consequences and to prepare for the worst, then their immediate local response collapsed within a matter of hours, hundreds of city busses sitting under water. No wonder Nagin is desperate to shift the blame.

I smell trolls. Party affiliation has nothing at all to do with this event. We established that a long time ago.

Yes, but when a Republican administration sits on it's hands for days and days after the worst natural disaster in the coutries history, the neocon's feel the need to come out and make preemptive attacks on the Left.

How exactly did the admin sit on its hands?

He could have sent in the Army and made FEMA get off it's redneck ass.

 

[Lifted]

Originally posted by: charrison

How exactly did the admin sit on its hands?

Sorry, I didn't realize that only you could see the helicopters delivering food to the tens of thousands of people starving to death. Were they black helicopters? Do you wear a tinfoil hat?

 

[tcsenter]

I smell trolls. Party affiliation has nothing at all to do with this event. We established that a long time ago.

lol! Who is "we"? You?

Of course Bush didn't cause Katrina (the event). The repeated partisan comments in this thread have all but pinned the blame for Katrina on the Bush Administration, by people who have a proven record of partisanship in scores upon scores of threads.

"We." lmao!

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Lifted

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Lifted

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Lifted

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Lifted

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Lifted
I think it's safe to say this is the biggest fvck up by any administration in the history of this country. Watergate is nothing but a joke after this blunder.

You right, NO and LA goverments really screwed things up.

:disgust:

Yes you are right, I am pretty disgusted with whining and the lack of action from those to goverments.

I see. The thing is, most intelligent people understand that when a state is demolished by a storm, hence having no power to help itself, it takes the resources of federal government to rescue these people. It's too bad there are so many people out there with sub 90 IQ's who can't comprehend this.

Most people also understand that states run their own guard units and are in complete control of those. Most people understand that federal assistance was available before the storm hit. If there was a delay in getting the guard into NOLA is not the fault of the fed.

Most people understand that the federal government sent most of the guard units to another country, therefore defeating point of a National Guard.

The Guard units are run by the states. Sorry if you dont like that fact.

Nice trolling. But if you do actually think that each state sents it's own gaurd units overseas, suggesting you had an IQ of 90 was being rather generous on my part.

Yes they can be nationalized, the ones serving in Iraq have been. Otherwise they are run by the state. I suppose you wanted the fed to immediaty nationalize the guard overriding any control or plans(at this point it appears they had none) the LA might have had?

I can only imagine the howls that would caused.

 

[Lifted]

Originally posted by: tcsenter

I smell trolls. Party affiliation has nothing at all to do with this event. We established that a long time ago.

lol! Who is "we"? You?

Of course Bush didn't cause Katrina (the event). The repeated partisan comments in this thread have all but pinned the blame for Katrina on the Bush Administration, by people who have a proven record of partisanship in scores upon scores of threads.

"We." lmao!

Wow, what a novel idea, to blame the President for a lack of response from the federal goverment. What ever happened to "the buck stops here." In the case of the loser we have in the White House,, it apparently never stops "there."

 

[Lifted]

Originally posted by: charrison

Yes they can be nationalized, the ones serving in Iraq have been. Otherwise they are run by the state. I suppose you wanted the fed to immediaty nationalize the guard overriding any control or plans(at this point it appears they had none) the LA might have had?

I can only imagine the howls that would caused.

I see it's still too difficult of a concept for you to grasp that the National Guard wasn't there in the required strength since your beloved leader sent them all to the other side of the planet.

 

[Duckzilla]

Originally posted by: tcsenter

I smell trolls. Party affiliation has nothing at all to do with this event. We established that a long time ago.

lol! Who is "we"? You?

Of course Bush didn't cause Katrina (the event). The repeated partisan comments in this thread have all but pinned the blame for Katrina on the Bush Administration, by people who have a proven record of partisanship in scores upon scores of threads.

"We." lmao!

Ok, brainiac, explain how party affiliation has anything to do with this event. Even Repub(l)icans are pointing fingers at Bush and his band of morons.

It?s a national disgrace because we have a disgrace for an administration. Bush is going to be up to his neck in s hit soon. Mark my words.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Lifted

Originally posted by: charrison

How exactly did the admin sit on its hands?

Sorry, I didn't realize that only you could see the helicopters delivering food to the tens of thousands of people starving to death. Were they black helicopters? Do you wear a tinfoil hat?

You dont starve to death in 4 days. But I also did not see the NOLA goverment make an effort to feed its citizens either. Would it have been that difficult to drive over to the walmart and pick up provisions. THe looters seemed to have not problems doing so.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Duckzilla

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Lifted

Originally posted by: Duckzilla

Originally posted by: tcsenter

...
Its too bad the Democrats who control the city and state failed to adequately warn people of the consequences and to prepare for the worst, then their immediate local response collapsed within a matter of hours, hundreds of city busses sitting under water. No wonder Nagin is desperate to shift the blame.

I smell trolls. Party affiliation has nothing at all to do with this event. We established that a long time ago.

Yes, but when a Republican administration sits on it's hands for days and days after the worst natural disaster in the coutries history, the neocon's feel the need to come out and make preemptive attacks on the Left.

How exactly did the admin sit on its hands?

He could have sent in the Army and made FEMA get off it's redneck ass.

In retrospect that would probably have been a good idea, considering LA had no idea what they were doing.

 

[Lifted]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Lifted

Originally posted by: charrison

How exactly did the admin sit on its hands?

Sorry, I didn't realize that only you could see the helicopters delivering food to the tens of thousands of people starving to death. Were they black helicopters? Do you wear a tinfoil hat?

You dont starve to death in 4 days. But I also did not see the NOLA goverment make an effort to feed its citizens either. Would it have been that difficult to drive over to the walmart and pick up provisions. THe looters seemed to have not problems doing so.

You crack me up. You blame a devestated local government for not being able to single handedly respond to the worst disaster in this countries history. I have to give you credit for being so damn loyal to Lord Bush. It truely takes an immense ammount of loyalty to think he had no resposibility in helping the three devestated states.

Conrgats!

 

[Duckzilla]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Lifted

Originally posted by: charrison

How exactly did the admin sit on its hands?

Sorry, I didn't realize that only you could see the helicopters delivering food to the tens of thousands of people starving to death. Were they black helicopters? Do you wear a tinfoil hat?

You dont starve to death in 4 days. But I also did not see the NOLA goverment make an effort to feed its citizens either. Would it have been that difficult to drive over to the walmart and pick up provisions. THe looters seemed to have not problems doing so.

Please don't make me use caps.

Louisiana's seeming lack of effort doesn't excuse the federal government in a national crisis.

Louisiana's seeming lack of effort doesn't excuse the federal government in a national crisis.

Take notes.

 

[Lifted]

In fact, using your logic, it was apparently Poland's fault that Hitler ravaged Europe. If they had only done their job and held him back WWII never wouild have happened.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Lifted
In fact, using your logic, it was apparently Poland's fault that Hitler ravaged Europe. If they had only done their job and held him back WWII never wouild have happened.

If Hitler published his battle plans 30+ years before the attack and followed them exactly, then yes. Poland could have planned an effective defense.

The city and state governemt was clearly lacking in their plans to deal with this disaster.
Even if all the money had been spent to bring the flood protection system up to the already specified levels (Cat 3 storm) the storm that hit was more powerful than the system had been designed to cope with so there is no reason to expect it to have held either. Previous governments both state and federal have long been aware of the problem and the likely conseqences.

Should the federal response have been faster? Yes.
Are the effected areas getting aid? Yes.
Could things have been done better on all levels of government? Yes.

I think FEMA was certainly slow off the blocks as was the state goverment in deploying NG to the city to facilitate security for operations.

Some of the above can be attributed to the state of the area (lack of power, communications, etc..) and some to the organization of the various agencies.

Only after the major operations are done can a review (I expect congress and the white house will both do one) as to what went wrong and why.