Bush's response is not adequate

[charrison]

Originally posted by: conjur
WWL news conference...not sure who this military officer is but he said they are using school buses, no mention of where they came from. I can't imagine they'd use flooded buses and the time wasted repairing and cleaning them.

As for Gibbons, he stole one that was sitting around. It was probably in a dry area

And, again, it was not feasible to evacuate 100,000 people with what buses the city had. 80% of the residents had evacuated including city personnel.

I posted the wrong link. But at least you realize that school buses are being used. And we did the math last night, New Orleans itself had enough buses(over 500) to remove 100k people in just a few trips. Stop defending this.

 

[conjur]

No, they didn't have the time nor the ability no matter how many times you repeat your spin. I've explained the reason why over and over and over.

Go back and read my posts again.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: conjur
No, they didn't have the time nor the ability no matter how many times you repeat your spin. I've explained the reason why over and over and over.

Go back and read my posts again.

Your explainations are foolish. The needed resources could have been found(fuel and drivers) and utilized before the storm hit.

 

[tcsenter]

And, again, it was not feasible to evacuate 100,000 people with what buses the city had. 80% of the residents had evacuated including city personnel.

But its feasible to expect 500 busses and drivers to magically materialize from all around the country with three days advanced warning? Unbelievable!

Like I said, you should seriously consider a new line of work. I can see it now:

Conjur - "The levy freaking broke, we have to get these people out!"

Smart Person - "Well...we have hundreds of busses fueled and ready in the city. We could grab as many as we can, as fast as we can."

Conjur - "Are you kidding? That means we might actually have to work and get out there with, you know, all those icky people. Call Washington and have them send over 500 busses and drivers, pronto."

Smart person - "Uhh...(WTF?)"

 

[Ferocious]

link

Perhaps he would not have had to respond at all.....if he didn't have his obsession with oil and revenge.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: tcsenter

And, again, it was not feasible to evacuate 100,000 people with what buses the city had. 80% of the residents had evacuated including city personnel.

But its feasible to expect 500 busses and drivers to magically materialize from all around the country with three days advanced warning? Unbelievable!

Like I said, you should seriously consider a new line of work. I can see it now:

Conjur - "The levy freaking broke, we have to get these people out!"

Smart Person - "Well...we have hundreds of busses fueled and ready in the city. We could grab as many as we can, as fast as we can."

Conjur - "Are you kidding? That means we might actually have to work and get out there with, you know, all those icky people. Call Washington and have them send over 500 busses and drivers, pronto."

Smart person - "Uhh...(WTF?)"

Tscenter, I pray to almighty GOD that you find yourself in a situation exactly like those people who have been abandoned in New Orleans along with your entire family including women and children. You human piece of filth. You useless sack of dung. You impudent, lying, failure excusing jerk off.

You and your ilk have a price to pay for the blame you place on the blameless and the excuses you make for the inexcusable and I hope you get the opportunity to pay that price very, very soon. And when you're sitting there in your own filth watching your family die around you I hope 500 buses pass you by.

You vile, crude, ignorant waste of human life.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: conjur
WWL news conference...not sure who this military officer is but he said they are using school buses, no mention of where they came from. I can't imagine they'd use flooded buses and the time wasted repairing and cleaning them.

As for Gibbons, he stole one that was sitting around. It was probably in a dry area

And, again, it was not feasible to evacuate 100,000 people with what buses the city had. 80% of the residents had evacuated including city personnel.

I posted the wrong link. But at least you realize that school buses are being used. And we did the math last night, New Orleans itself had enough buses(over 500) to remove 100k people in just a few trips. Stop defending this.

Move them where?? WHere was a safe place to move them before the storm?

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: conjur
No, they didn't have the time nor the ability no matter how many times you repeat your spin. I've explained the reason why over and over and over.

Go back and read my posts again.

Your explainations are foolish. The needed resources could have been found(fuel and drivers) and utilized before the storm hit.

Foolish? LMAO!

The only thing foolish is your delusion.

Let's go over this AGAIN:

100,000 people or more needed to be evacuated.

The post-flood Superdome evacuation started about midnight Wed. night (60 hours ago) and only 15,000-20,000 have been evac'd from there (5,000 remain)

Now, extrapolate that out to 100,000 people and they would have had to have started the evacuation sometime back around the middle of August.

Also, I've read posts on other boards (like nola and wwltv) of people in that area discussing this topic and, in some districts, the keys are locked in a safe and that most of the city employees were already ordered out.

The NOLA emergency plan doesn't include public transportation out of the city, only public transportation to temporary shelters which is exactly what they offered.

Also, remember, Mayor Nagin was requesting outside assistance to provide security for the process and received little or none. The city, itself, cannot provide security to escort and control 100,000, esp. when they just evacuated 80% of the city.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: tcsenter

And, again, it was not feasible to evacuate 100,000 people with what buses the city had. 80% of the residents had evacuated including city personnel.

But its feasible to expect 500 busses and drivers to magically materialize from all around the country with three days advanced warning? Unbelievable!

Bringing in 500 buses within 48 hrs from cities around New Orleans and loading them with food/water is VERY feasible. Evacuating is MUCH different from bringing in supplies.

One day, your inability to think will lapse momentarily and that will sink in.

<rest of your BS spew snipped>

 

[tcsenter]

Originally posted by: Ferocious
link

Perhaps he would not have had to respond at all.....if he didn't have his obsession with oil and revenge.

lol! You gotta love the desperate stuff they attempt to pass off as serious journalism:

There was, at the same time, a growing recognition that more research was needed to see what New Orleans must do to protect itself from a Category 4 or 5 hurricane. But once again, the money was not there. As the Times-Picayune reported last Sept. 22:

That second study would take about four years to complete and would cost about $4 million, said Army Corps of Engineers project manager Al Naomi. About $300,000 in federal money was proposed for the 2005 fiscal-year budget, and the state had agreed to match that amount.

But the cost of the Iraq war forced the Bush administration to order the New Orleans district office not to begin any new studies, and the 2005 budget no longer includes the needed money, he said.

Hmm...the money would be in the 2005 budget, meaning the second "four year study" to "research...what New Orleans must do to protect itself from a Category 4 or 5 hurricane" would be finished no sooner than 2008. Any actual projects to come from it would take at least a few more years to complete.

You can smell the desperation when they actually attempt to blame Bush because infrastructure improvements that would not be started for at least several more years failed to retroactively protect New Orleans from a hurricane in 2005. lol!

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: tcsenter

Originally posted by: Ferocious
link

Perhaps he would not have had to respond at all.....if he didn't have his obsession with oil and revenge.

lol! You gotta love the desperate stuff they attempt to pass off as serious journalism:

There was, at the same time, a growing recognition that more research was needed to see what New Orleans must do to protect itself from a Category 4 or 5 hurricane. But once again, the money was not there. As the Times-Picayune reported last Sept. 22:

That second study would take about four years to complete and would cost about $4 million, said Army Corps of Engineers project manager Al Naomi. About $300,000 in federal money was proposed for the 2005 fiscal-year budget, and the state had agreed to match that amount.

But the cost of the Iraq war forced the Bush administration to order the New Orleans district office not to begin any new studies, and the 2005 budget no longer includes the needed money, he said.

Hmm...the money would be in the 2005 budget, meaning the second "four year study" to "research...what New Orleans must do to protect itself from a Category 4 or 5 hurricane" would be finished no sooner than 2008. Any actual projects to come from it would take at least a few more years to complete.

You can smell the desperation when they actually attempt to blame Bush because infrastructure improvements that would not be started for at least several more years failed to retroactively protect New Orleans from a hurricane in 2005. lol!

The only thing I smell is the rotting corpses of people that needlessly died after the disaster. I'll ask you, where is the safe place the local authorities were suppposed to bus these 300,000 people too?

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: tcsenter

Originally posted by: Ferocious
link

Perhaps he would not have had to respond at all.....if he didn't have his obsession with oil and revenge.

lol! You gotta love the desperate stuff they attempt to pass off as serious journalism:

There was, at the same time, a growing recognition that more research was needed to see what New Orleans must do to protect itself from a Category 4 or 5 hurricane. But once again, the money was not there. As the Times-Picayune reported last Sept. 22:

That second study would take about four years to complete and would cost about $4 million, said Army Corps of Engineers project manager Al Naomi. About $300,000 in federal money was proposed for the 2005 fiscal-year budget, and the state had agreed to match that amount.

But the cost of the Iraq war forced the Bush administration to order the New Orleans district office not to begin any new studies, and the 2005 budget no longer includes the needed money, he said.

Hmm...the money would be in the 2005 budget, meaning the second "four year study" to "research...what New Orleans must do to protect itself from a Category 4 or 5 hurricane" would be finished no sooner than 2008. Any actual projects to come from it would take at least a few more years to complete.

You can smell the desperation when they actually attempt to blame Bush because infrastructure improvements that would not be started for at least several more years failed to retroactively protect New Orleans from a hurricane in 2005. lol!

You complete fool, Bush CUT the funding for the levee projects for THREE YEARS IN A ROW because he NEEDED THE MONEY FOR IRAQ! Not to mention all of those tax cuts for his rich buddies -- who, judging by your attitude, you are a spoiled child of.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: tcsenter

Originally posted by: Ferocious
link

Perhaps he would not have had to respond at all.....if he didn't have his obsession with oil and revenge.

lol! You gotta love the desperate stuff they attempt to pass off as serious journalism:

There was, at the same time, a growing recognition that more research was needed to see what New Orleans must do to protect itself from a Category 4 or 5 hurricane. But once again, the money was not there. As the Times-Picayune reported last Sept. 22:

That second study would take about four years to complete and would cost about $4 million, said Army Corps of Engineers project manager Al Naomi. About $300,000 in federal money was proposed for the 2005 fiscal-year budget, and the state had agreed to match that amount.

But the cost of the Iraq war forced the Bush administration to order the New Orleans district office not to begin any new studies, and the 2005 budget no longer includes the needed money, he said.

Hmm...the money would be in the 2005 budget, meaning the second "four year study" to "research...what New Orleans must do to protect itself from a Category 4 or 5 hurricane" would be finished no sooner than 2008. Any actual projects to come from it would take at least a few more years to complete.

You can smell the desperation when they actually attempt to blame Bush because infrastructure improvements that would not be started for at least several more years failed to retroactively protect New Orleans from a hurricane in 2005. lol!

You complete fool, Bush CUT the funding for the levee projects for THREE YEARS IN A ROW because he NEEDED THE MONEY FOR IRAQ! Not to mention all of those tax cuts for his rich buddies -- who, judging by your attitude, you are a spoiled child of.

Also, the Army Corps of Engineers had contractors working for NOTHING to try to strengthen those levees, but just simply ran out of resources because of those federal cuts.

 

[tcsenter]

Originally posted by: BBond

Tscenter, I pray to almighty GOD that you find yourself in a situation exactly like those people who have been abandoned in New Orleans along with your entire family including women and children. You human piece of filth. You useless sack of dung. You impudent, lying, failure excusing jerk off.

You and your ilk have a price to pay for the blame you place on the blameless and the excuses you make for the inexcusable and I hope you get the opportunity to pay that price very, very soon. And when you're sitting there in your own filth watching your family die around you I hope 500 buses pass you by.

You vile, crude, ignorant waste of human life.

Hmm, I wonder if I should run and cry to the mods to have you banned for this over-the-top vitriolic personal attack and blatant conduct violation from beginning to end, like so many spineless liberals on AT Forums do merely because they are getting their asses handed to them in a debate on the substance of their arguments?

 

[makesense]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: zendari
They figure out a way to criticize Bush no matter which action he takes.

you always figure out a way to apologize for bush, no matter which action he takes.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: tcsenter

Originally posted by: BBond

Tscenter, I pray to almighty GOD that you find yourself in a situation exactly like those people who have been abandoned in New Orleans along with your entire family including women and children. You human piece of filth. You useless sack of dung. You impudent, lying, failure excusing jerk off.

You and your ilk have a price to pay for the blame you place on the blameless and the excuses you make for the inexcusable and I hope you get the opportunity to pay that price very, very soon. And when you're sitting there in your own filth watching your family die around you I hope 500 buses pass you by.

You vile, crude, ignorant waste of human life.

Hmm, I wonder if I should run and cry to the mods to have you banned for this over-the-top vitriolic personal attack and blatant conduct violation from beginning to end, like so many spineless liberals on AT Forums do merely because they are getting their asses handed to them in a debate on the substance of their arguments?

Hey a$$hole, you can run anywhere or to anyone you like, but you can't run from the facts. You can only keep ignoring and excusing them.

You should be banned from the planet based solely on your ignorance.

 

[tcsenter]

Hey a$$hole, you can run anywhere or to anyone you like, but you can't run from the facts. You can only keep ignoring and excusing them.

Right, you have the facts, which explains why you are increasingly resorting to desperate and venomous personal attacks, whereas I'm not.

Right-O!

 

[BBond]

The more I read the more unbelievable this entire fiasco becomes. I have to leave. I'm going to get good and drunk and try to forget this all for as long as I can.

I am ashamed to be an American today. Those of you who aren't, well, you're just not part of the human race.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: BBond
The more I read the more unbelievable this entire fiasco becomes. I have to leave. I'm going to get good and drunk and try to forget this all for as long as I can.

I am ashamed to be an American today. Those of you who aren't, well, you're just not part of the human race.

Quit hogging all the self righteous indignation, there are other people who need to use it.

You are going to go out and get drunk because you are ashamed of America and the burden is too much? Please.

How about you go donate some blood, volunteer locally, send your drinking money to a charity that is dealing with this crisis instead.

 

[1EZduzit]

It's funny how all the Bush supporters claim the lefties are turning this disaster into a partisian attack. Bush screwed up and is being criticized, that's not a partisian attack, it's just a plain old attack. He mucked things up again. Look at his approval rating for chris' sake.

If anything is partisian, its the criticizm that the locals didn't do enough. I for one don't know what they could have done differently? Bus everybody out, even if they didn't want to go? How many people would that have been 300,000? 500,000? Where is a safe place to put them and how are the locals going to pay for it??

Clearly the ball was dropped AFTER the devastation hit and we saw how bad it really was. That is where the system broke down.

 

[zendari]

If people didn't want to go that's their own fault. Not the President's.

And if they can pay for Mardi Gras every year they should be able to find the cash to run a couple hundred buses instead of leaving them to get flooded.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: zendari
If people didn't want to go that's their own fault. Not the President's.

And if they can pay for Mardi Gras every year they should be able to find the cash to run a couple hundred buses instead of leaving them to get flooded.

Where were they supposed to go? Drive to Houston and get a motel room? The poor people obviously couldn't afford it or they would have.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: zendari
If people didn't want to go that's their own fault. Not the President's.

And if they can pay for Mardi Gras every year they should be able to find the cash to run a couple hundred buses instead of leaving them to get flooded.

Where were they supposed to go? Drive to Houston and get a motel room? The poor people obviously couldn't afford it or they would have.

Anywhere would be better than the middle of a hurricane.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: zendari
If people didn't want to go that's their own fault. Not the President's.

And if they can pay for Mardi Gras every year they should be able to find the cash to run a couple hundred buses instead of leaving them to get flooded.

Where were they supposed to go? Drive to Houston and get a motel room? The poor people obviously couldn't afford it or they would have.

Anywhere would be better than the middle of a hurricane.

Ok, Mr. Callous, how were they supposed to get there?

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: tcsenter
[ ... ]
This isn't a conscious deliberative process. Like I said, it is a matter of CULTURE (ghetto culture).

It would never even occur to them that they might have to provide for themselves for up to a week, because they live an existance rooted in pervasive dependence on others to provide for them. Its someone's responsibility to make sure they have water and food, not their's. They just pick up the checks and go to the grocery store.

Speaking of living "an existance rooted in pervasive dependence on others to provide for them", did you ever get a job or are you still trying to suck permanent disability from the government teat? Do you "just pick up [your] checks and go to the grocery store" yourself, or do you expect someone else to do that for you as well? One would think someone with your limitations might develop a little humility and compassion for others (or at least would learn to shut your ugly, hateful mouth so as not to be exposed as an arrogant hypocrite).

BBond: calm down, you're better than he is. See the above for one example of his racism and hypocrisy (it's roughly 330 messages in if you want the full context and more examples). I first recognized what he was a year or more ago when he was yelling at people to get off their assess and get a job in one thread while whining about how the government denied his application for permanent disability (narcolepsy) in another. He's not worth the vacation.