Bush's response is not adequate

[zendari]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: zendari
Anywhere would be better than the middle of a hurricane.

Ok, Mr. Callous, how were they supposed to get there?

Before the hurricane hit anyone could have easily gotten to the buses if there was some organization in the primary evacuation.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: zendari
If people didn't want to go that's their own fault. Not the President's.

And if they can pay for Mardi Gras every year they should be able to find the cash to run a couple hundred buses instead of leaving them to get flooded.

Where were they supposed to go? Drive to Houston and get a motel room? The poor people obviously couldn't afford it or they would have.

Anywhere would be better than the middle of a hurricane.

Ok, Mr. Callous, how were they supposed to get there?

I guess it's easy to be callous when you are posting from the comfortable enviroment of your parents living room.

From the postings of Zendari and his ilk it seems they believe that these people in NOLA are expendable.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: zendari
If people didn't want to go that's their own fault. Not the President's.

And if they can pay for Mardi Gras every year they should be able to find the cash to run a couple hundred buses instead of leaving them to get flooded.

Where were they supposed to go? Drive to Houston and get a motel room? The poor people obviously couldn't afford it or they would have.

Anywhere would be better than the middle of a hurricane.

Ok, Mr. Callous, how were they supposed to get there?

And where was the Mayor supposed to bus all those people to. You posted the picture and criticized him....he didn't do it "because the busses didn't have bathrooms in them" you said.

They neede a safe place to go with 300,000+ people and the means to feed and water them for what?? Several weeks minimum??

I'm listening?

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: zendari
Anywhere would be better than the middle of a hurricane.

Ok, Mr. Callous, how were they supposed to get there?

Before the hurricane hit anyone could have easily gotten to the buses if there was some organization in the primary evacuation.

How many times do I have to repeat this:



Let's go over this AGAIN:

100,000 people or more needed to be evacuated.

The post-flood Superdome evacuation started about midnight Wed. night (60 hours ago) and only 15,000-20,000 have been evac'd from there (5,000 remain)

Now, extrapolate that out to 100,000 people and they would have had to have started the evacuation sometime back around the middle of August.

Also, I've read posts on other boards (like nola and wwltv) of people in that area discussing this topic and, in some districts, the keys are locked in a safe and that most of the city employees were already ordered out.

The NOLA emergency plan doesn't include public transportation out of the city, only public transportation to temporary shelters which is exactly what they offered.

Also, remember, Mayor Nagin was requesting outside assistance to provide security for the process and received little or none. The city, itself, cannot provide security to escort and control 100,000, esp. when they just evacuated 80% of the city.


Now. toss these into the mix:

Time to end the doubt. Letter from Gov. Blanco to Pres. Bush - 8/28
White House delayed approval for NG until Thursday
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=52&threadid=1680331&enterthread=y


Plus all of this:

Start here:
http://www.redcross.org/faq/0,1096,0_682_4524,00.html#4524

Then go here:
http://dailykos.com/story/2005/9/2/2125/04978

And follow up with this:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/9/3/02454/07418
(one of the comments seems to indicate the Salvation Army has adopted this "work in progress" policy change, too)

Also, notice anything interesting in the political contributions of the Chairman of the Red Cross?
http://www.newsmeat.com/washington_poli...l_donations/Bonnie_McElveen-Hunter.php




Do you see the pattern forming?

 

[1EZduzit]

Where did all the apologists go?

 

[mithrandir2001]

They are having trouble swallowing their partisan pride and admitting this is another blunder (to put it lightly) on part of the Adminstration.

 

[TRUMPHENT]

It sounds like someone made some tough decioions and then didn't know how to followup. If the relief aid is prevented from entering New Orleans, then the transportation is needed to move the people out.

Water food and medicine taken into New Orleans would at least serve to attract the remaining residents to the distribution points and relieve some of their misery while awaiting transportation out.

Someone wants all the images of the evacuation to be portrayed as conducted in air conditioned buses. They can't afford pictures of evacuees leaving in the back of box trucks and semis. That would look too third world.

 

[rahvin]

Originally posted by: mithrandir2001
They are having trouble swallowing their partisan pride and admitting this is another blunder (to put it lightly) on part of the Adminstration.

It would be easier for them to do so if everyone stopped reffering to some other blunder. Iraq has almost nothing to do with this and it's people like Bbond and his raving lunacy that put them on the defensive.

I'm not partisan, I wouldn't care who was in charge, all I know is the response has NOT been adequate. The local authorities screwed up, there is no question of that. There is also no question that when they did screw up the feds didn't step in to fix it and that's a MAJOR fvck up. FEMA exists to handle these things and there response has been pathetic. As someone who works in the infastructure business I know that the engineering challenges in this situation are extremely difficult to resolve, but the humanitarian relief that has been provided makes me sick.

When it was apparent tuesday that the situation was out of control FEMA should have authorized the regular duty millitary (say the 101st) to get supplies and boots into the city. They should have declared marshal law and given a general who can get things done control of the situation.

 

[BlueWeasel]

I know I'm a little late, and it's probably been discussed already somewhere in this thread, but I was disgusted last night with Anderson Cooper's interview with MS Senator Trent Lott. Ol' Trent boy praised the govement response and thought everything was fine.

Boohoo, Trent... I don't care if you were on national TV crying because your house was destroyed. You've got another mansion in Jackson, and probably one in Washington. Did Dubya tell you he'd build you another one if you praised him on TV?

 

[ZeGermans]

Originally posted by: BlueWeasel
I know I'm a little late, and it's probably been discussed already somewhere in this thread, but I was disgusted last night with Anderson Cooper's interview with MS Senator Trent Lott. Ol' Trent boy praised the govement response and thought everything was fine.

Boohoo, Trent... I don't care if you were on national TV crying because your house was destroyed. You've got another mansion in Jackson, and probably one in Washington. Did Dubya tell you he'd build you another one if you praised him on TV?

well what do you expect from a racist like Lott? He's probably happy that all the black people are dying.

 

[Engineer]

I'm still not sure what all the hub-bub is about. Bush already said that his administration's response was unacceptable and also said that the governors of Mississippi and LA were doing outstanding jobs (Yesterday at Mobile, AL). He's pretty much said it all in those two statements!

 

[conjur]

WDSU news conference:

All hospitals have been emptied and patients transported elsewhere!

:thumbsup:

 

[db]

G.W.Bush yesterday, live:

"...people in this part of the world...." (refering to New Orleans).

Man, for a second there I thought he was talking about Somalia. Or, in his mind, maybe it is.

 

[Lifted]

Originally posted by: Engineer
I'm still not sure what all the hub-bub is about. Bush already said that his administration's response was unacceptable and also said that the governors of Mississippi and LA were doing outstanding jobs (Yesterday at Mobile, AL). He's pretty much said it all in those two statements!

Nope, the truth is that he said

"Where it's not working right, we're going to make it right,"

"We are going to restore order in the city of New Orleans,"

"The results are not acceptable."

Sounds to me like he said everyone elses response was unacceptable, but he (his administration) were going to make things right.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Lifted

Originally posted by: Engineer
I'm still not sure what all the hub-bub is about. Bush already said that his administration's response was unacceptable and also said that the governors of Mississippi and LA were doing outstanding jobs (Yesterday at Mobile, AL). He's pretty much said it all in those two statements!

Nope, the truth is that he said

"Where it's not working right, we're going to make it right,"

"We are going to restore order in the city of New Orleans,"

"The results are not acceptable."

Sounds to me like he said everyone elses response was unacceptable, but he (his administration) were going to make things right.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA.... I have some oceanfront property in... well... you know.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Lifted

Originally posted by: Engineer
I'm still not sure what all the hub-bub is about. Bush already said that his administration's response was unacceptable and also said that the governors of Mississippi and LA were doing outstanding jobs (Yesterday at Mobile, AL). He's pretty much said it all in those two statements!

Nope, the truth is that he said

"Where it's not working right, we're going to make it right,"

"We are going to restore order in the city of New Orleans,"

"The results are not acceptable."

Sounds to me like he said everyone elses response was unacceptable, but he (his administration) were going to make things right.

Yeah...because he has done no wrong.

:roll:



Gov. Blanco has brought in former FEMA Director James Lee Witt to assist in the efforts.

:thumbsup:

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: Lifted

Originally posted by: Engineer
I'm still not sure what all the hub-bub is about. Bush already said that his administration's response was unacceptable and also said that the governors of Mississippi and LA were doing outstanding jobs (Yesterday at Mobile, AL). He's pretty much said it all in those two statements!

Nope, the truth is that he said

"Where it's not working right, we're going to make it right,"

"We are going to restore order in the city of New Orleans,"

"The results are not acceptable."

Sounds to me like he said everyone elses response was unacceptable, but he (his administration) were going to make things right.

Yesterday in Mobile, he specificially said that the governors were doing an outstanding job.

After re-reading, you are correct. He didn't place any blame, that I could find, on the federal level.

 

[Lifted]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Lifted

Originally posted by: Engineer
I'm still not sure what all the hub-bub is about. Bush already said that his administration's response was unacceptable and also said that the governors of Mississippi and LA were doing outstanding jobs (Yesterday at Mobile, AL). He's pretty much said it all in those two statements!

Nope, the truth is that he said

"Where it's not working right, we're going to make it right,"

"We are going to restore order in the city of New Orleans,"

"The results are not acceptable."

Sounds to me like he said everyone elses response was unacceptable, but he (his administration) were going to make things right.

Yeah...because he has done no wrong.

:roll:



Gov. Blanco has brought in former FEMA Director James Lee Witt to assist in the efforts.

:thumbsup:

This was all in response to the

"Bush already said that his administration's response was unacceptable"

I was merely pointing out that Bush said nothing of the sort. Did it really sound like I was making excuses for the asshat?

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: charrison


Yes they can be nationalized, the ones serving in Iraq have been. Otherwise they are run by the state. I suppose you wanted the fed to immediaty nationalize the guard overriding any control or plans(at this point it appears they had none) the LA might have had?

I can only imagine the howls that would caused.

Far less than the lie of a war they went to Iraq for.

Let's see...It's OK to send them to Iraq by "nationalizing" them.

It's not OK to nationalize them to send them to NO?

Ahh....I get it! (actually, I don't)

:roll:

 

[conjur]

No, your post was accurate...I was just commenting on his words.


BTW,

1-866-KAT-MEDI

The number to call if you have medical expertise and want to volunteer your services for hurricane victims. Gov. Blanco has issued a waiver eliminating the need to be licensed in the State of Louisiana first.

 

[conjur]

WDSU showing video of a helicopter doing food/water drops to people still trapped in their homes.


Damn...it took so freakin' long...but...it's here and these people will be ok now...I hope.


People are waving back to say thanks.

 

[raildogg]

so Bush is finally at the site of destruction. it took him a while

sure the Mayor of NO is happy with him now, so is the Governor of Louisiana, but that is just politics. they want to have their photo taken with the President.

its great to see Bush comforting those people down there. especially when he was comforting those sweet girls yesterday.

but he could have shown more leadership, he could have shown more urgency. sure this is not a terrorist attack, but it could have been when you looked on tv. it was wider than a terrorist attack and affected more people. homeland security should really look at what they're doing.

also, what seems kind of weird to me is how Europe is playing this race card. today on the BBC radio show, i heard them constantly talk about race, race and more race. they are trying to say that we treat our minorities really poorly and that we didn't do more since its a predominately black area.

well my question to Europe is, how integrated and well off are the minorities in your countries?

 

[erwos]

Originally posted by: raildogg
well my question to Europe is, how integrated and well off are the minorities in your countries?

Don't ask them - ask the Muslims in the slums in southern France, the Jews who can't even wear skullcaps anymore without fearing violence, or the ethnic Turks in Germany who suffer all sorts of discrimination.

Our racial and ethnic integration makes Europe look like an apartheid state in comparison.

-Erwos

 

[imported_Pedro69]

Originally posted by: erwos

Originally posted by: raildogg
well my question to Europe is, how integrated and well off are the minorities in your countries?

Don't ask them - ask the Muslims in the slums in southern France, the Jews who can't even wear skullcaps anymore without fearing violence, or the ethnic Turks in Germany who suffer all sorts of discrimination.

Our racial and ethnic integration makes Europe look like an apartheid state in comparison.

-Erwos

I just showed your post to a few of my turkish friends .. we are still laughing.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: Pedro69

Originally posted by: erwos

Originally posted by: raildogg
well my question to Europe is, how integrated and well off are the minorities in your countries?

Don't ask them - ask the Muslims in the slums in southern France, the Jews who can't even wear skullcaps anymore without fearing violence, or the ethnic Turks in Germany who suffer all sorts of discrimination.

Our racial and ethnic integration makes Europe look like an apartheid state in comparison.

-Erwos

I just showed your post to a few of my turkish friends .. we are still laughing.

yes i agree. it is shameful the way Europe treats its minorities. what is even more shameful is how Europe is taking advantage of this disaster and telling us we don't treat our minorities right.

sure, things are not perfect. but Europe should look at its own before pointing fingers at us.

those segregated communities speak for themselves.