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MotzKopf

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That's ok Darkhawk, it's obvious that Condor is a little short on information, just like this Administration is. After all this Administration invaded Iraq with little credible information, just as Condor forms his opinions on little credible information.

Oh and for all you Bush supporters so quick to point fingers at the Governor of Louisiana, don't forget that FEMA was dismembered under the Department of Homeland Security, where as before 9/11, FEMA was integrated and trained with the National Guard. New Mexico pledged their Guard units on Sunday (a day before landfall), but Washington didn't approve the move until late Thursday, and the Governor requested 40,000 National Guard troops on Monday, but didn't get any until Friday. The Federal Government keeps saying that they couldn't get into New Orleans, but a major causeway was open, and reporters were moving freely in and out of New Orleans.

The Bush Administration really screwed the pooch on this one, and Congress is sure to get to the bottom of this when it's all over.
 

CaptnKirk

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The Bush Administration really screwed the pooch on this one, and Congress is sure to get to the bottom of this when it's all over

Or sweep it under the rug.
 

rchiu

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Originally posted by: glugglug
Originally posted by: rchiu
Katrina is vastly different from 911 in that no matter how horrible 911 was, the damage was limited to the WTC, and the surrounding blocks. The city of New York was not under attack and the city of New York and the state of New Yok was not paralyzed. Katrina devastated Louisiana and destroyed the city of New Orlean. The city/state infrastructure was seriously damaged and the city/state officials and their faimilies are probably deeply affected by this tragedies themselves.

At least 9 of the city's subway lines ran under the WTC, plus it's one of the 2 largest PATH train stations in the city. It pretty much shut down the transportation in a city which relies on public transit more than any other in the U.S. Also, 2 of the fiber rings which connect to transatlantic cables for internet & phone communication between the U.S. and other continents were under the WTC and got cut off. So I would say there was a good amount of infrastructure damage.

However, AFAIK, Bush did nothing to restore order in either situation. I keep wondering why people are contrasting Bush's response between 9/11 and Katrina. What part of the 9/11 recovery was Bush responsible for?. I think he just got lucky that time that local officials were more competent and there wasn't really so much that could be done in terms of rescue in that situation, as the danger was far more immediate. Or perhaps unlucky, since the attack was more than likely his administration's idea in the first place.

My response was more for people comparing and contrasting local official's response between 9/11 and Katrina. The Bush apologist are saying why can't NO officials handle Katrina as effectively as Rudy Giuliani, and why the blame is placed on the federal level. You are right, Bush wasn't responsible for the handling of 911 crisis, he was too busy running and hiding from the terrorist on his AF1. He was lucky that New York City still had the resources, and a capable mayor to handle the situation on their own. (yeah I am praising a republican, and I wouldn't mind Giuliani runs this country instead of Bush)

To answer those Bush Apologist, City of NO was not able nor equipted to handle Katrina, especially the subsequent failure of the levee system on their own. It was not because the local officials were not capable, they simply do not have the resources to deal with something like a city the size of NO submerged in water, espcially when they were paralyzed at the same time by the hurrican too.

The reason why we have this tragedy during the "aftermath" of Katrina was because the agency created for a disaster just like this on the federal level, FEMA, lacked leadership and the ability to act, and failed in every way imaginable.

I am not blaming Bush for Katrina, or the failure of the levee system. I am not blaming Bush for actually not acting on the rescue effort, that's not his job. I am blaming him squarely for reorganizing FEMA, nominating his buddy with no experience as the head of the agency, and the consequent failure of FEMA as an organization. And I am blaming him when his buddy can't seem to do the job, he cannot quickly find someone else who can or organize a special task force to deal with the situation.

IMO, this great country failed when we started a war with a bogus reason, cut tax for the riches when the depression hits the middle class and the poor, and this tragedy in NO just concluded how badly a mismanaged government can hurt our own people. Bush's response to many needs of this country was not adequate, it's unfortunate that this time, we actually have to pay with american lifes in most undignifiying way for the whole world to see.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
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Louisiana did not reach out to a multi-state mutual aid compact for assistance until Wednesday, three state and federal officials said. As of Saturday, Blanco still had not declared a state of emergency, the senior Bush official said.

<and on, and on>
That "senior Bush official" needs to be SMACKED back to reality.


<ahem>
http://gov.louisiana.gov/Press_Release_detail.asp?id=973
Press Release
Date: 8/26/2005


Contact: Denise Bottcher or Roderick Hawkins at 225-342-9037


GOVERNOR BLANCO DECLARES STATE OF EMERGENCY

BATON ROUGE, LA--Governor Kathleen Babineaux Blanco today issued Proclamation No. 48 KBB 2005, declaring a state of emergency for the state Louisiana as Hurricane Katrina poses an imminent threat, carrying severe storms, high winds, and torrential rain that may cause flooding and damage to private property and public facilities, and threaten the safety and security of the citizens of the state of Louisiana The state of emergency extends from Friday, August 26, 2005, through Sunday, September 25, 2005, unless terminated sooner.
 

conjur

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3 Duke students tell of 'disgraceful' scene
http://www.herald-sun.com/durham/4-643298.html
DURHAM -- A trio of Duke University sophomores say they drove to New Orleans late last week, posed as journalists to slip inside the hurricane-soaked city twice, and evacuated seven people who weren't receiving help from authorities.

The group, led by South Carolina native Sonny Byrd, say they also managed to drive all the way to the New Orleans Convention Center, where they encountered scenes early Saturday evening that they say were disgraceful.

"We found it absolutely incredible that the authorities had no way to get there for four or five days, that they didn't go in and help these people, and we made it in a two-wheel-drive Hyundai," said Hans Buder, who made the trip with his roommate Byrd and another student, David Hankla.

Buder's account -- told by cell phone Sunday evening as the trio neared Montgomery, Ala., on their way home -- chronicled a three-day odyssey that began when the students, angered by the news reports they were seeing on CNN, loaded up their car with bottled water and headed for the Gulf coast to see if they could lend a hand....
This is the true face of America...people like this going out of their way to help others. Yet even more proof of the disconnection from reality exhibited by this administration.
 

mc6809e

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To answer those Bush Apologist, City of NO was not able nor equipted to handle Katrina, especially the subsequent failure of the levee system on their own. It was not because the local officials were not capable, they simply do not have the resources to deal with something like a city the size of NO submerged in water, espcially when they were paralyzed at the same time by the hurrican too.

Most of Louisiana was spared the hurricane. It was the state of Mississippi that took the brunt of the storm.

And I disagree with your claim that resources were unavailable. The laws of the state of Louisiana give the Governor broad powers to call up what is essentially an army of help.

She has the power in an emergency to order any man from age 17 to 64 to help in any effort to restore order or help in a crisis. She even has the power to put anyone in jail for refusing to follow her orders.

The governor is a dictator in situations like this and actually has much more power than even the president of the United States.

Take a look at the statutes of the state of Louisiana.

Specifically RS 29:724 Powers of the Governor

The reason why we have this tragedy during the "aftermath" of Katrina was because the agency created for a disaster just like this on the federal level, FEMA, lacked leadership and the ability to act, and failed in every way imaginable.

No. FEMA lacks the legal authority to act. They have no police, no army. They can't act as peace officers. The person in control of the state is the Governor.


 

arsbanned

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Wrong. FEMA dropped the ball and an investigation has already been launched into the exact circumstances. How you can defend such a pathetic federal response to this catastrophe I do not know.
 

Darkhawk28

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Originally posted by: arsbanned
Wrong. FEMA dropped the ball and an investigation has already been launched into the exact circumstances. How you can defend such a pathetic federal response to this catastrophe I do not know.

He's paid to do so. It's the only logical explanation that fits.
 

dirtboy

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Originally posted by: raildogg
what is wrong with this guy?

he is in a suit and tie giving a speech. who is he talking to? the people in the affected areas have no electricity and cant hear him. this is a bad move.

remember, his dad handled Andrew badly and he is following him.

hey Bush, get off Crawford, go to Alabama at least since going to Lousiana is not safe. take that suit and tie off, and show that you at least are very concerned. to me, it doesn't seem like the White House is too concerned. this disaster is not much smaller in scale than 9/11. Bush needs to treat it as such

our leader and leaders can do more. a lot more


So what have you done to help the people of NO? Complain on a website? Great job noob.
 

Engineer

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Originally posted by: dirtboy
Originally posted by: raildogg
what is wrong with this guy?

he is in a suit and tie giving a speech. who is he talking to? the people in the affected areas have no electricity and cant hear him. this is a bad move.

remember, his dad handled Andrew badly and he is following him.

hey Bush, get off Crawford, go to Alabama at least since going to Lousiana is not safe. take that suit and tie off, and show that you at least are very concerned. to me, it doesn't seem like the White House is too concerned. this disaster is not much smaller in scale than 9/11. Bush needs to treat it as such

our leader and leaders can do more. a lot more


So what have you done to help the people of NO? Complain on a website? Great job noob.

Not speaking for raildogg, who may or may not have done anything, but

President of the US > raildogg.

 

dirtboy

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Originally posted by: Engineer
So what have you done to help the people of NO? Complain on a website? Great job noob.

Not speaking for raildogg, who may or may not have done anything, but

President of the US > raildogg.

[/quote]

If you're going to complain about someone else's actions, you should back it up with your own actions.

If you're going to complain about Bush's inactions, then you should stand up and say that I am doing something to help out the people of NO.

I'd bet less than 10% of the people in P&N that run around criticizing the actions of other have done one thing to help out the people of NO.
 

dahunan

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Damage Control - Brilliant Strategy

Louisiana did not reach out to a multi-state mutual aid compact for assistance until Wednesday, three state and federal officials said. As of Saturday, Blanco still had not declared a state of emergency, the senior Bush official said.

<and on, and on>
That "senior Bush official" needs to be SMACKED back to reality.


<ahem>
http://gov.louisiana.gov/Press_Release_detail.asp?id=973
Press Release
Date: 8/26/2005


Contact: Denise Bottcher or Roderick Hawkins at 225-342-9037


GOVERNOR BLANCO DECLARES STATE OF EMERGENCY

BATON ROUGE, LA--Governor Kathleen Babineaux Blanco today issued Proclamation No. 48 KBB 2005, declaring a state of emergency for the state Louisiana as Hurricane Katrina poses an imminent threat, carrying severe storms, high winds, and torrential rain that may cause flooding and damage to private property and public facilities, and threaten the safety and security of the citizens of the state of Louisiana The state of emergency extends from Friday, August 26, 2005, through Sunday, September 25, 2005, unless terminated sooner.

These FratBoy Scumbags know what they need to do when sh!t hits the fan ..... LIE LIE LIE and LIE SOME MORE.. as long as your constituents FALL FOR IT then you are better off JUST TO LIE LIE LIE AND LIE SOME MORE --
 

Engineer

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Originally posted by: dirtboy
Originally posted by: Engineer
So what have you done to help the people of NO? Complain on a website? Great job noob.

Not speaking for raildogg, who may or may not have done anything, but

President of the US > raildogg.


If you're going to complain about someone else's actions, you should back it up with your own actions.

If you're going to complain about Bush's inactions, then you should stand up and say that I am doing something to help out the people of NO.

I'd bet less than 10% of the people in P&N that run around criticizing the actions of other have done one thing to help out the people of NO.[/quote]

I still have not confirmed whether raildogg has or has not done anything. Have you?

Same principle.

P.S. US Constitution gives him the absolute "RIGHT" to complain about anything including the "elected" leaders actions or lack thereof in this country!

 

1EZduzit

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Originally posted by: dirtboy
Originally posted by: Engineer
So what have you done to help the people of NO? Complain on a website? Great job noob.

Not speaking for raildogg, who may or may not have done anything, but

President of the US > raildogg.


If you're going to complain about someone else's actions, you should back it up with your own actions.

If you're going to complain about Bush's inactions, then you should stand up and say that I am doing something to help out the people of NO.

I'd bet less than 10% of the people in P&N that run around criticizing the actions of other have done one thing to help out the people of NO.[/quote]

I wouldn't bet on that. Anyway, people can complain about injustices. If you don't complain then you leave yourself open to the old "I never knew" excuse that FEMA has already tried using.
 

dahunan

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does anyone get tired of apologists comparing our little citizen power/responsibility to that of the President and his minions?
 

conjur

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Advance: Senate Democrats issue relief plan for Katrina
http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Advance_S...ocrats_issue_relief_plan_for_0905.html
Katrina Relief Plan for Senate Action This Week

Although the Congress last week appropriated $10.5 billion for the Federal Emergency Management Agency and the Defense Department, it is clear much more will be needed given the enormity of this disaster. While government authorities and others assess the scope of the problem and decide how much additional funding will be needed to address specific problems, there are a number of legislative items the Senate can and should promptly approve that can help Katrina?s victims. After the Senate has completed action on this emergency legislation, we hope the Senate will quickly provide significant new funding, and consider other substantive proposals that could help address short- and medium-term needs. These proposals must be followed by a much broader, long-term effort to rebuild and rehabilitate the Gulf Coast region and substantially improve efforts to prevent, mitigate and respond to future disasters.
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The following are just some examples of proposals that Senate Democrats believe deserve immediate Senate action this week:

Ensuring health care for all displaced victims

* Immediate access to Medicaid for displaced victims.
* No need to prove residency or assets
* No copayments
* No penalties for failing to sign up for Medicare Part B in time.

To ensure access to medical care, we should ensure immediate access to Medicaid for displaced victims. Paperwork requirements should be streamlined and asset requirements waived to ensure that victims, many of whom have no legal documents in their possession, can enroll in the program with little red tape. Residency requirements for participation should not apply to these victims to allow them to obtain health care services around the country. In addition, copayments should be waived for these people as they struggle to meet other needs as well. The Federal government should bear the full cost of these changes, and ensure that no affected state suffers a reduction in Federal Medicaid funding (their ?match rate?) for other populations. This proposal is based on a similar successful initiative after the September 11 disaster.

We also should provide compensation to health care providers who provide a disproportionate share of the care for these victims.

Displaced victims should not be penalized for late enrollment in Medicare Part B because they have become newly-eligible or have lost coverage from another plan during this time. Similarly, everyone from the affected states should have an additional year to enroll in the new Medicare drug benefit and its low income subsidies. The automatic transition of dual eligible beneficiaries from Medicaid to Medicare drug coverage should be delayed in Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama, with the Federal government bearing the full cost of those people continuing Medicaid drug coverage.

Getting victims housing

* Emergency housing vouchers for displaced victims
* Expedited application procedures with no red tape.
* No tenant contributions until they find work.
* Tax incentives for private families to take in victims.
* Identify federal facilities that can house victims.
* Relief for homeowners facing threat of foreclosure

FEMA has said that up to 1 million people may need housing assistance. The Senate therefore should immediately authorize the Department of Housing and Urban Development to create and distribute temporary emergency housing vouchers to victims, without many of the restrictions that apply under the existing Section 8 low-income voucher program. For example, victims should not have to document their income levels, and tenant contributions should be waived until they find work. HUD also should be authorized to increase existing limits on allowable rents given the likelihood that rents in Gulf Coast areas will increase substantially for the foreseeable future. HUD needs to take over primary responsibility for distributing vouchers since many of the region?s local housing authorities are not functioning at full capacity, if at all.

Given the scarcity of rental housing, we will need to rely on private individuals and families to provide free room and board to victims. To encourage this, we should immediately approve a tax subsidy for those who provide such assistance to Katrina?s victims.

To help identify locations to house victims, the Administration should be required, within 10 days, to release an inventory of federal civilian and defense facilities that can be used to provide emergency housing, or as locations for the construction or deployment of temporary housing units.

We should increase aid to owners of damaged homes by waiving current law caps on home repair assistance (now $5200) and home replacement assistance (now $10,200). In addition, we should waive a requirement that individuals leave their home to qualify for home repair assistance, a rule that threatens to exacerbate an already massive demand for shelter in the region.

We should reestablish the Temporary Mortgage and Rental Program, which has been used in the past, including after the September 11 disaster, to provide assistance to homeowners and renters facing financial hardship. This could be important for many victims who otherwise could lose their homes through foreclosure.

Getting victims to family members and friends

Many of Katrina?s victims have little or no access to transportation. Although FEMA has legal authority to address this, the agency seems overwhelmed and has proven unable on its own to meet the compelling needs of countless numbers of stranded victims. We therefore need to make this a White House priority and direct the President to lead a broad effort to quickly ensure that displaced victims can get to family, friends and others who can provide them with room and board.

Getting students into school

Many of Katrina?s victims are children who need to enroll in a new school. To encourage schools to accept these victims, and alleviate some of the resulting burdens, we should provide funding to school districts that accept displaced children. This funding could be used to hire additional teachers, teachers? aides, or counselors, or to provide temporary expansions of classrooms. A similar program should be provided for institutions of higher education that admit displaced students.

Bringing victims? families together and placing them with other families

The government should establish a toll free ?800? number and web site through which victims could access a national victim database and information about available assistance. Displaced individuals could register and provide contact information, so that separated family members and friends could find each other. The database also would allow volunteers to sign up if they are willing to provide free shelter to victims.

Getting victims cash to meet other basic needs

To ensure that victims can get cash for their basic needs, we should strengthen and expand the Disaster Unemployment Insurance Program and automatically extend any expiring UI benefits that victims are receiving. We also should give the President authority to increase the $26,200 statutory cap on cash assistance through the Individuals and Households Program, and should waive the 25 percent matching requirement for States in the Gulf region. In addition, victims should be allowed to withdraw funds from individual retirement accounts (IRA?s) penalty-free, with extra contributions permitted later.

Providing financial relief to victims and National Guard

Katrina?s victims, and National Guard involved in disaster operations, should not be obligated to make payments to the Federal government in the immediate aftermath of the disaster. There should be a short term moratorium on obligations such as:

? Student loans ? Individual and corporate income taxes ? Small business loans

In addition, disaster victims filing for bankruptcy should be treated differently under the bankruptcy code in recognition of their particular hardship.

Ensuring victims have access to food

We should ensure that the many victims of Katrina who are struggling to obtain food have access to food stamps through a streamlined application process. States should be provided relief from the additional costs associated with administering the food stamp program for victims.

Restoring order

We should provide law enforcement funding where needed to help protect innocent citizens from crime and to ensure that there are places in which to imprison dangerous criminals. In addition, we should authorize federal courts to convene outside of their ordinary location in the event of an emergency, such as the massive flooding caused by Hurricane Katrina.

Helping victims get jobs

Private employers should be given an incentive to hire displaced victims by temporarily qualifying them for the Work Opportunity Tax Credit, which can reduce an employer?s tax liability by up to $2400 per qualified new worker. In addition, the Federal government should establish a temporary preference for hiring displaced victims who are qualified for jobs.

Moreover, many displaced workers now lack the documents they need to secure employment under Federal law, such as passports and birth certificates. This law should be relaxed temporarily so that victims can legally obtain work without such documents, so long as they can provide a valid Social Security number.

Supporting the National Guard

We should ensure that Guard units serving in the Gulf Coast effort be considered to have been mobilized under Title 32 (they are currently mobilized through the states). This would qualify them for federal benefits and ensure that their service counts as active duty for the purposes of retirement, health care, and other benefits. It also would make them eligible for the Family Separation Allowance if separated from their families for more than 30 days, and could provide relief from creditors and foreclosures.

Requiring accountability

We should require the President to submit regular reports to the Congress on the status of recovery efforts, the number of victims who remain without decent housing, jobs, etc., and any additional resources or action needed to address the crisis.
 

rchiu

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Originally posted by: mc6809e
To answer those Bush Apologist, City of NO was not able nor equipted to handle Katrina, especially the subsequent failure of the levee system on their own. It was not because the local officials were not capable, they simply do not have the resources to deal with something like a city the size of NO submerged in water, espcially when they were paralyzed at the same time by the hurrican too.

Most of Louisiana was spared the hurricane. It was the state of Mississippi that took the brunt of the storm.

And I disagree with your claim that resources were unavailable. The laws of the state of Louisiana give the Governor broad powers to call up what is essentially an army of help.

She has the power in an emergency to order any man from age 17 to 64 to help in any effort to restore order or help in a crisis. She even has the power to put anyone in jail for refusing to follow her orders.

The governor is a dictator in situations like this and actually has much more power than even the president of the United States.

Take a look at the statutes of the state of Louisiana.

Specifically RS 29:724 Powers of the Governor

The reason why we have this tragedy during the "aftermath" of Katrina was because the agency created for a disaster just like this on the federal level, FEMA, lacked leadership and the ability to act, and failed in every way imaginable.

No. FEMA lacks the legal authority to act. They have no police, no army. They can't act as peace officers. The person in control of the state is the Governor.

Sure, does the Gov of Louisiana have the power over the National Guards in let's say New Mexico? What's the use of the power of the governer if the only power she has is over a state that has been seeriously damange. Louisiana has about 9,000 ~ 10,000 National Guard, 30%~40% of which is deployed in Iraq. When the entire City of New Orleans, which accounts for 15%~20% of the populations in LA is under water, and the communication lines, power lines and roads are inaccessable in LA, how many of those National Guards do you think Gov. of LA can mobilize. Remember the only "army" state have access to is the National Guards who are average citizens and don't live in a military compound somewhere.

On the other hand, go over to the FEMA webpage and see what exact is it's mission and what is it funded to do.

All I am going to say is no matter how much power you think Gov/Mayor of LA/NO have, their authority is limited to their state and the city. When a disaster like Katrina hits, I am not talking about just the Hurrican, this is about the entire city of NO with half of mil. population got flooded because of the levee failure, this is beyond the city or the state. If you cannot comprehend that, and if you still don't see that this is exactly the kind of disaster federal agency like FEMA needs to step in and coordinate the effort from the ENTIRE COUNTRY, I don't know what else to say. But if you need to convince yourself that your leader cannot do anything wrong, I guess that's ur prerogative .
 

1EZduzit

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Originally posted by: dahunan
does anyone get tired of apologists comparing our little citizen power/responsibility to that of the President and his minions?

I'm tired of the apologists trying to say that the Mayor of NO or even the Govenor of LA had the power and resources at their fingertips to properly manage one of the worst disasters, if not the worst natural disaster this country has seen.

As soon as the levee broke the Fed's should have started swinging into action. It's just that simple.

So what do they do? Congratulate Brown?

How many people have died? Brown is "too busy" saving lives to give an estimate? They're going to have to release some estimates, so what are they waiting for. Nagin said 10,000 people and maybe more. That the ones who died, not the ones who survived and needed care. That's massive to say the least.

The survivors are strung out across multiple states because even the Fed's can't get enough resources down there to take care of everybody, but still the idiots come in with their cockamamee claims that it's the victim's fault. I never realized that so many people were this stupid.
 

Pabster

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Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
How many people have died? Brown is "too busy" saving lives to give an estimate? They're going to have to release some estimates, so what are they waiting for. Nagin said 10,000 people and maybe more. That the ones who died, not the ones who survived and needed care. That's massive to say the least.

And how does good old Mayor Nagin explain his city's failure to review (and update) the Hurricane plans for over 5 years? Or the fact that he had over 500 buses at his disposal which could have been used to get people out of NO. Now they're sitting under 10 feet or so of water.
 

1EZduzit

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Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
How many people have died? Brown is "too busy" saving lives to give an estimate? They're going to have to release some estimates, so what are they waiting for. Nagin said 10,000 people and maybe more. That the ones who died, not the ones who survived and needed care. That's massive to say the least.

And how does good old Mayor Nagin explain his city's failure to review (and update) the Hurricane plans for over 5 years? Or the fact that he had over 500 buses at his disposal which could have been used to get people out of NO. Now they're sitting under 10 feet or so of water.

Pray tell me exactly what he should have done?
 

Engineer

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Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
How many people have died? Brown is "too busy" saving lives to give an estimate? They're going to have to release some estimates, so what are they waiting for. Nagin said 10,000 people and maybe more. That the ones who died, not the ones who survived and needed care. That's massive to say the least.

And how does good old Mayor Nagin explain his city's failure to review (and update) the Hurricane plans for over 5 years? Or the fact that he had over 500 buses at his disposal which could have been used to get people out of NO. Now they're sitting under 10 feet or so of water.


Originally posted by: Pabster


There is plenty of blame to go around, from FEMA right on down to Mayor Nagin. But now isn't the time for that...
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
How many people have died? Brown is "too busy" saving lives to give an estimate? They're going to have to release some estimates, so what are they waiting for. Nagin said 10,000 people and maybe more. That the ones who died, not the ones who survived and needed care. That's massive to say the least.
And how does good old Mayor Nagin explain his city's failure to review (and update) the Hurricane plans for over 5 years? Or the fact that he had over 500 buses at his disposal which could have been used to get people out of NO. Now they're sitting under 10 feet or so of water.
Ah...the ol' magical bus story again.


:roll:
 

Pabster

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Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Pray tell me exactly what he should have done?

What any sensible person sitting on over 500 buses would have done with a CATEGORY 5 HURRICANE bearing down on his city. Load the people up and move out!
 

Pabster

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Originally posted by: conjur
Ah...the ol' magical bus story again.:roll:

Yep, that true story where a mayor had over 500 buses at his disposal and plenty of time to move people out, but did nothing. Now they sit under water. This isn't fiction.
 
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