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Really? I spent the majority of my time in the Air Force supporting the AF and Army fly boys and working in ATC towers as well as in tents and improvised structures on maneuvers and missions. I bet I have a better idea than you what the capabilities are

I'd bet YOUR LIFE on that fact, and I know you'd loose.

From reading your arrogant posts you prove nothing of the sort.

Mr. Surfing/Tennis-Pro/local weather man/worlds longest living brain doner.
 
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Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Really? I spent the majority of my time in the Air Force supporting the AF and Army fly boys and working in ATC towers as well as in tents and improvised structures on maneuvers and missions. I bet I have a better idea than you what the capabilities are

I'd bet YOUR LIFE on that fact, and I know you'd loose.

From reading your arrogant posts you prove nothing of the sort.

Mr. Surfing/Tennis-Pro/local weather man/worlds longest living brain doner.

LOL. You claim "You chickenhawks don't seem to even have a clue as to what the Militarys equipment is capable of doing in unimproved or compromised environments." tehn when called on it you claim I'm arrogant?


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Good lord, the irony. :roll:
 

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I don't know how many of you have seen the blog from the only operating ISP remaining in NO. But here's the link, he's making an effort to document all the crime going on and taking pictures of the people involved.

http://www.livejournal.com/users/interdictor/

In case anyone in national security is reading this, get the word to President Bush that we need the military in here NOW. The Active Duty Armed Forces. Mr. President, we are losing this city. I don't care what you're hearing on the news. The city is being lost. It is the law of the jungle down here. The command and control structure here is barely functioning. I'm not sure it's anyone's fault -- I'm not sure it could be any other way at this point. We need the kind of logistical support and infrastructure only the Active Duty military can provide. The hospitals are in dire straights. The police barely have any capabilities at this point. The National Guard is doing their best, but the situation is not being contained. I'm here to help in anyway I can, but my capabilities are limited and dropping. Please get the military here to maintain order before this city is lost.
 

BBond

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THE MAYOR OF NEW ORLEANS JUST ISSUED A PLEA FOR HELP. THEY ARE OUT OF RESOURCES AND NEED HELP IMMEDIATELY. HE IS ALLOWING THE PEOPLE STRANDED IN THE CONVENTION CENTER TO MARCH OUT ON THEIR OWN TO TRY TO FIND WATER, FOOD, AND SHELTER.

WHERE IS THE NATIONAL GUARD? WHERE ARE THE AIR DROPS OF FOOD AND WATER FOR THE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE STRANDED AND DYING IN NEW ORLEANS AND ALL ALONG THE GULF COAST?
 

1EZduzit

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Really? I spent the majority of my time in the Air Force supporting the AF and Army fly boys and working in ATC towers as well as in tents and improvised structures on maneuvers and missions. I bet I have a better idea than you what the capabilities are

I'd bet YOUR LIFE on that fact, and I know you'd loose.

From reading your arrogant posts you prove nothing of the sort.

Mr. Surfing/Tennis-Pro/local weather man/worlds longest living brain doner.

LOL. You claim "You chickenhawks don't seem to even have a clue as to what the Militarys equipment is capable of doing in unimproved or compromised environments." tehn when called on it you claim I'm arrogant?


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Good lord, the irony. :roll:

Yes, the irony. You know everything and do everything. Your even a better liberal then a liberal. Your a real internet expert.
 
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Originally posted by: BBond
THE MAYOR OF NEW ORLEANS JUST ISSUED A PLEA FOR HELP. THEY ARE OUT OF RESOURCES AND NEED HELP IMMEDIATELY. HE IS ALLOWING THE PEOPLE STRANDED IN THE CONVENTION CENTER TO MARCH OUT ON THEIR OWN TO TRY TO FIND WATER, FOOD, AND SHELTER.

WHERE IS THE NATIONAL GUARD? WHERE ARE THE AIR DROPS OF FOOD AND WATER FOR THE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE STRANDED AND DYING IN NEW ORLEANS AND ALL ALONG THE GULF COAST?
Where are they supposed to drop the food and water BBond? Do they just let it fly and HOPE it helps someone or that people somehow find it, or that a small group of people don't find it and hoard it? Please tell us all, how are these air drops done?
 

1EZduzit

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Originally posted by: BBond
THE MAYOR OF NEW ORLEANS JUST ISSUED A PLEA FOR HELP. THEY ARE OUT OF RESOURCES AND NEED HELP IMMEDIATELY. HE IS ALLOWING THE PEOPLE STRANDED IN THE CONVENTION CENTER TO MARCH OUT ON THEIR OWN TO TRY TO FIND WATER, FOOD, AND SHELTER.

WHERE IS THE NATIONAL GUARD? WHERE ARE THE AIR DROPS OF FOOD AND WATER FOR THE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE STRANDED AND DYING IN NEW ORLEANS AND ALL ALONG THE GULF COAST?

Bush feels for them,. he just can't reach them.
 

1EZduzit

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: BBond
THE MAYOR OF NEW ORLEANS JUST ISSUED A PLEA FOR HELP. THEY ARE OUT OF RESOURCES AND NEED HELP IMMEDIATELY. HE IS ALLOWING THE PEOPLE STRANDED IN THE CONVENTION CENTER TO MARCH OUT ON THEIR OWN TO TRY TO FIND WATER, FOOD, AND SHELTER.

WHERE IS THE NATIONAL GUARD? WHERE ARE THE AIR DROPS OF FOOD AND WATER FOR THE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE STRANDED AND DYING IN NEW ORLEANS AND ALL ALONG THE GULF COAST?
Where are they supposed to drop the food and water BBond? Do they just let it fly and HOPE it helps someone or that people somehow find it, or that a small group of people don't find it and hoard it? Please tell us all, how are these air drops done?

Well, we wouldn't want anyone to get more then their fair share so we better just wait and think about it another week....or so.
 
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Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Really? I spent the majority of my time in the Air Force supporting the AF and Army fly boys and working in ATC towers as well as in tents and improvised structures on maneuvers and missions. I bet I have a better idea than you what the capabilities are

I'd bet YOUR LIFE on that fact, and I know you'd loose.

From reading your arrogant posts you prove nothing of the sort.

Mr. Surfing/Tennis-Pro/local weather man/worlds longest living brain doner.

LOL. You claim "You chickenhawks don't seem to even have a clue as to what the Militarys equipment is capable of doing in unimproved or compromised environments." tehn when called on it you claim I'm arrogant?


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Good lord, the irony. :roll:

Yes, the irony. You know everything and do everything. Your even a better liberal then a liberal. Your a real internet expert.
Right, only the anti-war crowd knows it all in here. I'm so sorry for forgetting that you guys have all the answers.

 

BBond

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'A scene of anarchy'

Editor's Note: CNN correspondents report back on what they are seeing in New Orleans and other Gulf Coast communities hit by Hurricane Katrina.
Living like animals

Posted: 1:07 p.m. ET
CNN's Chris Lawrence in New Orleans, Louisiana

It's hard to believe this is New Orleans.

We spent the last few hours at the New Orleans Convention Center. There are thousands of people lying in the street.

We saw mothers holding babies, some of them just three, four and five months old, living in horrible conditions. Diapers littered the ground. Feces were on the ground. Sewage was spilled all around.

These people are being forced to live like animals. When you look at the mothers, your heart just breaks.

Some of the images we have gathered are very, very graphic.

We saw dead bodies. People are dying at the center and there is no one to get them. We saw a grandmother in a wheelchair pushed up to the wall and covered with a sheet. Right next to her was another dead body wrapped in a white sheet.

Right in front of us a man went into a seizure on the ground. No one here has medical training. There is nowhere to evacuate these people to.

People have been sitting there without food and water and waiting. They are asking -- "When are the buses coming? When are they coming to help us?"

We just had to say we don't know.

The people tell us that National Guard units have come by as a show of force. They have tossed some military rations out. People are eating potato chips to survive and are looting some of the stores nearby for food and drink. It is not the kind of food these people need.

They are saying, "Don't leave us here to die. We are stuck here. Why can't they send the buses? Are they going to leave us here to die?"
'We have to deal with the living'

Posted: 10:49 a.m. ET
CNN's Rick Sanchez in Metairie, Louisiana

We spent the night at the New Orleans Saints' training facility. It is the encampment for the FEMA officials and National Guard troops who will deploy out to certain areas.

They just deployed a new unit out here from California. They're called swift water operation rescue units. These folks are trained to go in and get people out of the homes that they have been stuck in for days now with water all around.

We were with a unit last night on a boat. We watched as they performed many of these rescues. It's quite a sight to see. Bodies are floating along the flooded road. And I asked them, "What do you do about that?" They said, "There's no time to deal with them now. We have to deal with the living."

See the video of thousands stranded among sewage and bodies on the riverfront -- 2:54

We went off into many communities to see if we could find people. As we were navigating through these narrow areas with power lines and all kinds of obstructions above and below us, we suddenly heard faint screams coming from homes. People were yelling, "Help! Help!"

We found one elderly woman in one home. She told us, "I've been here and I need to get out. Can you get me?" Then she said, "But there are people next door and they have babies, so leave me until morning. Get them out now."

So we contacted the swift water rescue units and they went out there. To our surprise and their surprise there were no fewer than 15 people huddled in their home. We could only hear them. We couldn't see them. We were able to assist and get the right people over there to get them out.

Just like them, there may be literally thousands that need to be rescued. It's a very daunting task for these officials.
Chaos at the convention center

Posted: 10:02 a.m. ET
CNN's Jim Spellman in New Orleans, Louisiana

I don't think I really have the vocabulary for this situation.

We just heard a couple of gunshots go off. There's a building smoldering a block away. People are picking through whatever is left in the stores right now. They are walking the streets because they have nowhere else to go.

Right now, I'm a few blocks away from the New Orleans Convention Center area. We drove through there earlier, and it was unbelievable. Thousands and thousands and thousands of people spent the night sleeping on the street, on the sidewalk, on the median.

The convention center is a place that people were told to go to because it would be safe. In fact, it is a scene of anarchy.

There is absolutely nobody in control. There is no National Guard, no police, no information to be had.

The convention center is next to the Mississippi River. Many people who are sleeping there feel that a boat is going to come and get them. Or they think a bus is going to come. But no buses have come. No boats have come. They think water is going come. No water has come. And they have no food.

As we drove by, people screamed out to us -- "Do you have water? Do you have food? Do you have any information for us?"

We had none of those.

Probably the most disturbing thing is that people at the convention center are starting to pass away and there is simply nothing to do with their bodies. There is nowhere to put them. There is no one who can do anything with them. This is making everybody very, very upset.
 

1EZduzit

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Really? I spent the majority of my time in the Air Force supporting the AF and Army fly boys and working in ATC towers as well as in tents and improvised structures on maneuvers and missions. I bet I have a better idea than you what the capabilities are

I'd bet YOUR LIFE on that fact, and I know you'd loose.

From reading your arrogant posts you prove nothing of the sort.

Mr. Surfing/Tennis-Pro/local weather man/worlds longest living brain doner.

LOL. You claim "You chickenhawks don't seem to even have a clue as to what the Militarys equipment is capable of doing in unimproved or compromised environments." tehn when called on it you claim I'm arrogant?


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Good lord, the irony. :roll:

Yes, the irony. You know everything and do everything. Your even a better liberal then a liberal. Your a real internet expert.
Right, only the anti-war crowd knows it all in here. I'm so sorry for forgetting that you guys have all the answers.

And don't you forget it.
 

MicroChrome

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Originally posted by: zendari
They figure out a way to criticize Bush no matter which action he takes.

Some of these left wing freaks need to get a grip before you pop a bolt. Holy crap, you're bitc4ing like a bunch of old ladies.

Actually at this point he has not done a whole lot to help out. He should have just stayed in Texas and rode out the end of his vacation.

He is a fool. Now he is calling on Daddy and Clinton to help bail his a$$ out.
 

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: BBond
THE MAYOR OF NEW ORLEANS JUST ISSUED A PLEA FOR HELP. THEY ARE OUT OF RESOURCES AND NEED HELP IMMEDIATELY. HE IS ALLOWING THE PEOPLE STRANDED IN THE CONVENTION CENTER TO MARCH OUT ON THEIR OWN TO TRY TO FIND WATER, FOOD, AND SHELTER.

WHERE IS THE NATIONAL GUARD? WHERE ARE THE AIR DROPS OF FOOD AND WATER FOR THE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE STRANDED AND DYING IN NEW ORLEANS AND ALL ALONG THE GULF COAST?
Where are they supposed to drop the food and water BBond? Do they just let it fly and HOPE it helps someone or that people somehow find it, or that a small group of people don't find it and hoard it? Please tell us all, how are these air drops done?


It is me? I am sure the Nation Guard would be first at the scene to help those who is in need of rescue when there is a hurrican or flood (water related) crissis?
 

BBond

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Bush and his lackeys keep saying that help is on the way. Where is the help? They are letting these people die in the streets of New Orleans USA while the National Guard that should be providing assistance in this emergency is in IRAQ.

Despair, death pervade New Orleans

Thursday, September 1, 2005; Posted: 2:24 p.m. EDT (18:24 GMT)

NEW ORLEANS, Louisiana (CNN) -- Thousands of people forced from their homes by Hurricane Katrina have crammed into the New Orleans convention center, where they've had no food, no water and no word on when help would come.

And people are dying.

CNN's Chris Lawrence described "many, many" bodies, inside and outside the facility on New Orleans' Riverwalk. (Watch report on the desperate conditions at the convention center -- 4:36 )

"There are multiple people dying at the convention center," he said. "There was an old woman, dead in a wheelchair with a blanket draped over her, pushed up against a wall. Horrible, horrible conditions.

"We saw a man who went into a seizure, literally dying right in front of us."

People were "being forced to live like animals," Lawrence said, surrounded by piles of trash and feces.

He said thousands of people were just laying in the ground outside the building -- many old, or sick, or caring for infants and small children.

Video from the scene showed a group chanting 'we want help, we want help,' as mothers tried to console their tired and hungry children.

He said while he has seen police SWAT teams drive by in armored vehicles, no one has stopped to talk with the refugees.

"People are asking, 'Where are the buses? Where is the plan? Where is the help?" he said.

"Are they going to leave us here to die?" others asked.

More people were arriving at the center, walking south along Canal Street. The route north to the Superdome is blocked by chest-deep water.

The convention center was used as a secondary shelter when the Louisiana Superdome was overwhelmed.

As reports indicated a mounting death toll in New Orleans, U.S. Sen. Mary Landrieu said that "we understand there are thousands of dead people" in Louisiana, according to media reports.
Evacuation points swamped with people

A Louisiana National Guard official told CNN Thursday morning that between 50,000 and 60,000 people had converged at evacuation points near the Superdome hoping to get on one of the buses out of town.

"It's no longer just evacuees from the Superdome, as citizens who were holed up in high-rise office buildings and hotels saw buses moving into the dome, they realized this is an evacuation point," Lt. Col. Pete Schneider of the Louisiana National Guard said.

Desperation was evident as the buses rolled out. State Sen. Robert Marionneaux recounted a story about a woman near the Superdome who handed her 2-month-old baby to someone who had managed to get on a bus to Houston, begging her to take care of the baby. CNN could not independently verify his account.

Schneider said there were reports that several small trash fires were burning around the building and firefighters were having a hard time reaching the area. (Watch report on violence delaying evacuation -- 1:51)

Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff denied reports that rescue efforts in New Orleans had been halted for security reasons Thursday, saying those operations "are continuing in full force."

"We are going to continue to increase the tempo of that program until we've cleared people out of the Superdome and we've cleared people out of New Orleans," he said.

Chertoff said that the Coast Guard has rescued about 3,000 people from flooded areas in New Orleans and the surrounding parishes.

Houston has offered to house about 25,000 people in the Astrodome. San Antonio, Texas, has agreed to take another 25,000 people, officials said Thursday. Schneider said that officials were looking for additional locations.

Widespread looting and random gunfire have been reported across New Orleans. Police told CNN that groups of armed men roamed the streets overnight.

Officers told CNN they lacked manpower and steady communications to properly do their jobs -- and that they needed help to prevent the widespread looting and violence now prevalent in the city.

A police officer working in downtown New Orleans said police were siphoning gas from abandoned vehicles in an effort to keep their squad cars running, CNN's Chris Lawrence reported.

The officer said police are "on their own" for food and water, scrounging up what they can from anybody who is generous enough to give them some -- and that they have no communication whatsoever. Police also told CNN they were removing ammunition from looted gunshops in an effort to get it off the streets.

The Pentagon said that by next week 24,000 troops would be on the ground to assist in recovery efforts, including 8,600 National Guard members by Friday who could be put to work in law enforcement. (See video on Pentagon response -- 2:14)

President Bush, in an interview on ABC's "Good Morning America," said that their should be "zero tolerance of people breaking the law during an emergency such as this."

He promised a rapid federal response to the disaster.
Mississippi death toll rising

The breadth of the brutality of Hurricane Katrina became clearer as more death toll figures began to filter in from Mississippi's coastal region.

Authorities said at least 185 people died in Monday's Category 4 storm.

In Hancock County alone, Sheriff Eddie Jennings put the death toll at 85, with 60 people dead in Pearlington, 22 in Waveland, two in Bay St. Louis and one body that had washed up on the beach.

In neighboring Harrison County, which is home to Gulfport and Biloxi, authorities reported 100 bodies had been found, an emergency official in the state capital, Jackson, told CNN.
Power out; gas prices rising

Electricity was out for more than 2.3 million people in Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama and Florida.

Meanwhile, Katrina's effect on oil supplies and gas prices spread nationwide, prompting the White House to tap the U.S. Strategic Petroleum Reserve.

News of disruptions in the gas supply sparked runs on stations and a sharp spike in prices, with some drivers in Atlanta, Georgia, facing prices above $5 a gallon. (Economic impact)

The operators of two key pipelines that carry fuel out of the region announced Thursday that they were resuming limited operations.

In New Orleans, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers was using helicopters to drop 15,000-pound sandbags into breaches in the city's levee system -- the first step in trying to control the flooding that submerged most of the city. (See video on levee repairs -- 3:53)

The flow of water into New Orleans from Lake Pontchartrain finally abated, Corps officials said. But engineers won't begin trying to pump out the water until the breaches are plugged. (Recovery efforts)
 

rahvin

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For everyone that is defending the situation:

Is the response that has been provided so far everything possible that could have been done?
 

BBond

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The a$$hole was just on. He trotted out his daddy and Clinton. He was slurring his words and misspeaking.

He said that the law provides that only American ships can carry fuel to Amerinca ports. But we don't have enough ships. So now foreign ships will carry fuel to American ports.

He said, "Make sure money raised is money needed." Whatever the hell that's supposed to mean.

Pelosi called for Congress to reconvene early -- tonight. The Republicans initially resisted but then agreed.

Maybe Congress can get the job done that Bush obviously is unable to do.
 

1EZduzit

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Originally posted by: rahvin
For everyone that is defending the situation:

Is the response that has been provided so far everything possible that could have been done?

Obviously not and this question shouldn't even have to be asked in a situation like this.
 

BBond

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Originally posted by: rahvin
For everyone that is defending the situation:

Is the response that has been provided so far everything possible that could have been done?

BUSH HASN'T DONE ANYTHING AT ALL SO FAR.
 

CaptnKirk

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Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: rahvin
For everyone that is defending the situation:

Is the response that has been provided so far everything possible that could have been done?

BUSH HASN'T DONE ANYTHING AT ALL SO FAR.

Quick - get him a copy of 'My Pet Goat'.

 

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Man, utter chaos over there. CNN currently has this headline on their front page:

BREAKING NEWS

New Orleans hospital halts patient evacuations after coming under sniper fire, a doctor who witnessed the incident says. More soon.

BALLSACK
 

BBond

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It's safer in Baghdad than it is in New Orleans. Bush has brought our nation -- and theirs -- this low.

I wonder if Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell will tell Bush that this is God's retribution for his actions in Iraq.
 

1EZduzit

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Originally posted by: BBond
It's safer in Baghdad than it is in New Orleans. Bush has brought our nation -- and theirs -- this low.

I wonder if Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell will tell Bush that this is God's retribution for his actions in Iraq.

Maybe Pat will want to "take him out" too?
 

BBond

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Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: rahvin
For everyone that is defending the situation:

Is the response that has been provided so far everything possible that could have been done?

Obviously not and this question shouldn't even have to be asked in a situation like this.

Precisely.

The National Guard should have been in there the moment the storm was over, followed by the active duty military.

This is an abomination. There can be no excuses for this failure of leadership.
 

BBond

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Originally posted by: musicc
BBond, you must be really really hate Bush.

Does he give me any other option? How do you think those people in New Orleans feel about Georgie boy right about now? How do you think the people of Baghdad feel about this impostor?

Think about the last five years then compare them with the preceeding five years. How do you fell about this imbecile that stole the White House and made America a pariah?
 
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