Why does that surprise you? When you grow the govt everything takes longer to get done.
Just like on 9-11 where the military had to turn on CNN, these guys should be tuning in as well.
Originally posted by: conjur
In the NPR interview of Sec'y Chertoff, he said he was unaware of the situation at the Conv. Ctr.!!Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Stranded Spain MP describes Katrina chaos
The situation at this convention center isn't a secret. It's been heavily mentioned in the news for a while. Yet they have no help. Hmmmm..."It's everyone for himself. The police and army pass by the center, but here no one is organizing anything," she said.
"There's no food or water, the people are becoming dehydrated.
"It's been more than 24 hours without any help. There's been looting at the shopping center next door and there's been a lot of violence," she said.
...
Muñoz estimated there were thousands of people at the center. She told Boix she and her family moved to an upper floor of the center because of what they regarded as aggressive tension on the lower floor.
The NPR host told him flat-out what their reporter was seeing on the scene and Chertoff was blowing it off. They ended the program saying Chertoff later received a report confirming what NPR had told him.
The beauracracy is astounding! This administration is ignoring the news that is being broadcast to every home in America! The average citizen seems to know more than those running the show in Washington!!
Originally posted by: conjur
In the NPR interview of Sec'y Chertoff, he said he was unaware of the situation at the Conv. Ctr.!!Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Stranded Spain MP describes Katrina chaos
The situation at this convention center isn't a secret. It's been heavily mentioned in the news for a while. Yet they have no help. Hmmmm..."It's everyone for himself. The police and army pass by the center, but here no one is organizing anything," she said.
"There's no food or water, the people are becoming dehydrated.
"It's been more than 24 hours without any help. There's been looting at the shopping center next door and there's been a lot of violence," she said.
...
Muñoz estimated there were thousands of people at the center. She told Boix she and her family moved to an upper floor of the center because of what they regarded as aggressive tension on the lower floor.
The NPR host told him flat-out what their reporter was seeing on the scene and Chertoff was blowing it off. They ended the program saying Chertoff later received a report confirming what NPR had told him.
The beauracracy is astounding! This administration is ignoring the news that is being broadcast to every home in America! The average citizen seems to know more than those running the show in Washington!!
Yes, I agree. They can airdrop to places like this. I wonder how places such as this got overlooked(of left out) especially if it was on a list of places people were supposed to go. Sounds like better coordination on the ground is needed.
Originally posted by: rahvin
Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey
Sheesh people - I can't believe you think that Bush or the Feds can wave some magic wand to fix everything.
I expect him to do everything possible to help the victims, by your own admission not everything that could or should be done has been. I don't know how you can say that it hasn't in one breath then say it has in the next when the only difference is the defense of a politician.
Originally posted by: conjur
In the NPR interview of Sec'y Chertoff, he said he was unaware of the situation at the Conv. Ctr.!!
The NPR host told him flat-out what their reporter was seeing on the scene and Chertoff was blowing it off. They ended the program saying Chertoff later received a report confirming what NPR had told him.
The beauracracy is astounding! This administration is ignoring the news that is being broadcast to every home in America! The average citizen seems to know more than those running the show in Washington!!
Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
Yes, I agree. They can airdrop to places like this. I wonder how places such as this got overlooked(of left out) especially if it was on a list of places people were supposed to go. Sounds like better coordination on the ground is needed.
Security has unfortunately become a priority for the relief resources currently on the ground...if you remember, in the hours after Katrina passed New Orleans, there was a significant rescue effort dedicated to finding people trapped on roof tops and in houses.
The SuperDome and Convention Center were initially intended to serve as transient shelters...I dont think anyone anticipated the levees breaking to the extent that those who went to these locations becoming isolated and essentially trapped.
Unfortunately, due to the looting and violence spreading through the city, the relief effort is now focused on regaining control of the city...when those resources should be dedicated strictly to the relief effort.
If anyone is to blame, it is these idiots running around with guns shooting at relief workers.
Originally posted by: conjur
In the NPR interview of Sec'y Chertoff, he said he was unaware of the situation at the Conv. Ctr.!!Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Stranded Spain MP describes Katrina chaos
The situation at this convention center isn't a secret. It's been heavily mentioned in the news for a while. Yet they have no help. Hmmmm..."It's everyone for himself. The police and army pass by the center, but here no one is organizing anything," she said.
"There's no food or water, the people are becoming dehydrated.
"It's been more than 24 hours without any help. There's been looting at the shopping center next door and there's been a lot of violence," she said.
...
Muñoz estimated there were thousands of people at the center. She told Boix she and her family moved to an upper floor of the center because of what they regarded as aggressive tension on the lower floor.
The NPR host told him flat-out what their reporter was seeing on the scene and Chertoff was blowing it off. They ended the program saying Chertoff later received a report confirming what NPR had told him.
The beauracracy is astounding! This administration is ignoring the news that is being broadcast to every home in America! The average citizen seems to know more than those running the show in Washington!!
Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey
Blow it out your ass. The people on the ground need to get the supplies to those people. WTF is Chertoff supposed to do - grow wings and fly down there and deliver things personally?
You people have no shame. Disgusting.
Try over *4 DAYS* with no help! They've been there since Monday! And it's right on the river! But, we see what the Freeper mindset thinks about it. :roll:Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Over 24 hours with no help... thousands of people well documented by the media... and the government doesn't know about it? It's just getting too ridiculous.Originally posted by: conjur
In the NPR interview of Sec'y Chertoff, he said he was unaware of the situation at the Conv. Ctr.!!
The NPR host told him flat-out what their reporter was seeing on the scene and Chertoff was blowing it off. They ended the program saying Chertoff later received a report confirming what NPR had told him.
The beauracracy is astounding! This administration is ignoring the news that is being broadcast to every home in America! The average citizen seems to know more than those running the show in Washington!!
Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
Why don't you back that claim up with some evidence. Show me some inventory breakdowns by division that shows what is forward deployed to Iraq and overseas missions vs. the equipment available in the United States for support of Katrina relief.Bullsh!t. They don't have the copters or the personnel to handle it. They and their equipment are in Iraq.
I think you will find that the military has more then an adequate supply of equipment and personnel to handle this catastrophe.
Oh, the Freeper? Not worth the time. Ignore it.Originally posted by: BBond
Hey Conjur, shades of sh!t brown seems to have some old issues with you...for such a newbie.
Given the chronology of events, the people at both the SuperDome and the Convention Center are a riot waiting to happen.There are thousands of people at the convention center. They need security. I think that you can provide both security and relief to a group of thousands of people that are in a well known location and their plight is all over the media.
Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey
He can't back it up but that doesn't stop him and the others who just want to play partisan politics from trotting out that already debunked tripe. His types are disgusting - they have no limits to the depths they will sink to play their games.
http://www.boomantribune.com/main/4Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
Why don't you back that claim up with some evidence. Show me some inventory breakdowns by division that shows what is forward deployed to Iraq and overseas missions vs. the equipment available in the United States for support of Katrina relief.Bullsh!t. They don't have the copters or the personnel to handle it. They and their equipment are in Iraq.
I think you will find that the military has more then an adequate supply of equipment and personnel to handle this catastrophe.
More than 3,000 members of the Louisiana Nat'l Guard?s 256th Brigade serving in Iraq will return home in October, unless their tour is extended. Worse yet, all of their high-water-level equipment, vehicles and generators are in Iraq:
Louisiana National Guard Equipment in IraqThe war in Iraq may also play a role in the recovery and cleanup of the hurricane. Earlier this month the Louisiana National Guard publicly complained that too much of its equipment was in Iraq. The local ABC news affiliate reported dozens of high water vehicles, Humvees, refuelers and generators are now abroad. (DN! Headlines, Aug. 29, 2005)
"Mississippi and Alabama, the other states under threat from Katrina?s second assault on the Gulf Coast, also have Guard contingents in Iraq, with 3,500 troops of Mississippi?s 155th Brigade Combat Team serving near Karbala and Najaf, while 140 Alabama Guard troops left last Sunday for training preparatory to joining some 2,000 Alabama troops already deployed overseas," writes BTC News. MORE BELOW:
Originally posted by: conjur
Oh, the Freeper? Not worth the time. Ignore it.Originally posted by: BBond
Hey Conjur, shades of sh!t brown seems to have some old issues with you...for such a newbie.
Originally posted by: conjur
http://www.boomantribune.com/main/4Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
Why don't you back that claim up with some evidence. Show me some inventory breakdowns by division that shows what is forward deployed to Iraq and overseas missions vs. the equipment available in the United States for support of Katrina relief.Bullsh!t. They don't have the copters or the personnel to handle it. They and their equipment are in Iraq.
I think you will find that the military has more then an adequate supply of equipment and personnel to handle this catastrophe.More than 3,000 members of the Louisiana Nat'l Guard?s 256th Brigade serving in Iraq will return home in October, unless their tour is extended. Worse yet, all of their high-water-level equipment, vehicles and generators are in Iraq:
Louisiana National Guard Equipment in IraqThe war in Iraq may also play a role in the recovery and cleanup of the hurricane. Earlier this month the Louisiana National Guard publicly complained that too much of its equipment was in Iraq. The local ABC news affiliate reported dozens of high water vehicles, Humvees, refuelers and generators are now abroad. (DN! Headlines, Aug. 29, 2005)
"Mississippi and Alabama, the other states under threat from Katrina?s second assault on the Gulf Coast, also have Guard contingents in Iraq, with 3,500 troops of Mississippi?s 155th Brigade Combat Team serving near Karbala and Najaf, while 140 Alabama Guard troops left last Sunday for training preparatory to joining some 2,000 Alabama troops already deployed overseas," writes BTC News. MORE BELOW:
Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
Given the chronology of events, the people at both the SuperDome and the Convention Center are a riot waiting to happen.
The relief effort can't simply drop supplies off and say here you go...it will result in mass chaos, widespread rioting and violence.
The relief effort will have to stage the supplies in an area that is secure, and then establish an orderly means for distributing said supplies to these thousands of people.
Quite simply, the city of New Orleans did not have much of a plan in place for dealing with such contingencies, despite the ever present threat of the city flooding. The citizens of New Orleans should have received better guidance and instructions in the day prior to Katrina beyond "evacuate the city."
Shelters should have been designated, along with a plan for getting supplies to those shelters, and distributing these supplies to the people in need.
Originally posted by: conjur
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9160710/
TONY ZUMBADO: I've gotta tell you, I thought I'd seen it all, but just when you think you've seen it all, you go into another situation and you see something horrific. I've never seen anything in my life like this. ... I can't put it into words the amount of destruction that is in this city and how these people are coping. They are just left behind. There is nothing offered to them. No water, no ice, no C-rations, nothing, for the last four days.
They were told to go to the convention center. They did, they've been behaving. It's unbelievable how organized they are, how supportive they are of each other. They have not started any mêlées, any riots ... they just want food and support. And what I saw there I've never seen in this country.
We need to really look at this situation at the convention center. It's getting very very crazy in there and very dangerous. Somebody needs to come down with a lot of food and a lot of water. There's no hostility there ... they need support. These people are very desperate. I saw two gentlemen die in front of me because of dehydration. I saw a baby near death.
Listening to NPR on the way home, their reporter stated 2,000 people at the Conv. Ctr. The only food/water they've had is what some people were able to "loot" from stores along the river walk. They are about a mile from the Superdome where there is some food and where people are being evacuated but there are flooded streets between them.
The NPR reporter said there were two bodies on the side of the building, one in a wheelchair and that two more elderly died today. There is human waste everywhere. There are women with babies there. They've seen buses go by, cops go by, Nat'l Guard have stopped by but provided no food/water.
Airdrop food and water!
Originally posted by: conjur
Oh, the Freeper? Not worth the time. Ignore it.Originally posted by: BBond
Hey Conjur, shades of sh!t brown seems to have some old issues with you...for such a newbie.
Originally posted by: laurenlex
He looked scared, unprepared, and incompetent.
Take another point away from his approval rating.
Oh, look. A new Freeper troll.Originally posted by: OSx86
Originally posted by: conjur
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9160710/
TONY ZUMBADO: I've gotta tell you, I thought I'd seen it all, but just when you think you've seen it all, you go into another situation and you see something horrific. I've never seen anything in my life like this. ... I can't put it into words the amount of destruction that is in this city and how these people are coping. They are just left behind. There is nothing offered to them. No water, no ice, no C-rations, nothing, for the last four days.
They were told to go to the convention center. They did, they've been behaving. It's unbelievable how organized they are, how supportive they are of each other. They have not started any mêlées, any riots ... they just want food and support. And what I saw there I've never seen in this country.
We need to really look at this situation at the convention center. It's getting very very crazy in there and very dangerous. Somebody needs to come down with a lot of food and a lot of water. There's no hostility there ... they need support. These people are very desperate. I saw two gentlemen die in front of me because of dehydration. I saw a baby near death.
Listening to NPR on the way home, their reporter stated 2,000 people at the Conv. Ctr. The only food/water they've had is what some people were able to "loot" from stores along the river walk. They are about a mile from the Superdome where there is some food and where people are being evacuated but there are flooded streets between them.
The NPR reporter said there were two bodies on the side of the building, one in a wheelchair and that two more elderly died today. There is human waste everywhere. There are women with babies there. They've seen buses go by, cops go by, Nat'l Guard have stopped by but provided no food/water.
Airdrop food and water!
Airdrop food and water to a place thats surrounded by water on both sides?
On one side of the building is the Mississippi River and on the other side are streets filled with water.
Now I'm not saying that these people don't need supplies soon because they do, but airdropping supplies? Not very likely