uhhh...more mexed missages?WASHINGTON - In a dramatic turnabout, the United States is now on the receiving end of help from around the world as some two dozen countries offer post-hurricane assistance.
Venezuela, a target of frequent criticism by the Bush administration, offered humanitarian aid and fuel. Venezuela?s Citgo Petroleum Corp. pledged a $1 million donation for hurricane aid.
With offers from the four corners of the globe pouring in, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has decided ?no offer that can help alleviate the suffering of the people in the afflicted area will be refused,? State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said Thursday.
However, in Moscow, a Russian official said the U.S. Federal Emergency Management Agency had rejected a Russian offer to dispatch rescue teams and other aid.
Condolences and cash
On Tuesday, President Vladimir Putin sent condolences to President Bush and said Russia was prepared to help if asked.
Boats, aircraft, tents, blankets, generators, cash assistance and medical teams have been offered to the U.S. government in Washington or in embassies overseas.
Offers have been received from Russia, Japan, Canada, France, Honduras, Germany, Venezuela, Jamaica, Australia, the United Kingdom, the Netherlands, Switzerland, Greece, Hungary, Colombia, the Dominican Republic, El Salvador, Mexico, China, South Korea, Israel, the United Arab Emirates, NATO and the Organization of American States, the spokesman said.
Israeli Ambassador Daniel Ayalon called Wednesday at the State Department to offer condolences and assistance. Israel is the largest recipient of U.S. aid, about $2.2 billion a year.
Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has offered the U.S. hundreds of doctors, nurses, experts in trauma and natural disasters, NBC News has learned. Sharon has also offered field hospitals and medical kits as well as temporary housing and told Bush in a letter that the medical assistance and other help could be deployed within 24 hours.
Tempered expectations
Still, Bush told ABC-TV: ?I?m not expecting much from foreign nations because we hadn?t asked for it. I do expect a lot of sympathy and perhaps some will send cash dollars. But this country?s going to rise up and take care of it.?
?You know,? he said, ?we would love help, but we?re going to take care of our own business as well, and there?s no doubt in my mind we?ll succeed. And there?s no doubt in my mind, as I sit here talking to you, that New Orleans is going to rise up again as a great city.?
Historically, the United States provides assistance to other countries experiencing earthquakes, floods and other disasters.
Germany, which was rebuilt after World War II largely by the U.S. Marshall Plan, offered its help in a telephone call to Rice.
?The German Government is prepared to do all that is humanly possible,? the German embassy said. In his call, German Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer assured Rice of Germany?s solidarity with its American friends in a difficult time, the embassy said.
Originally posted by: Kremlar
Man, Hastert is an asshole.
Truth hurts.
He's right - the design of that city makes absolutely no sense.
And this is the biggest problem that Bush faces...your attitude. You would rather see the President fail than to succeed in restoring the country to normalcy. I wish you were alone, but you're not.Originally posted by: totalcommand
Originally posted by: raildogg
what is wrong with this guy?
he is in a suit and tie giving a speech. who is he talking to? the people in the affected areas have no electricity and cant hear him. this is a bad move.
remember, his dad handled Andrew badly and he is following him.
hey Bush, get off Crawford, go to Alabama at least since going to Lousiana is not safe. take that suit and tie off, and show that you at least are very concerned. to me, it doesn't seem like the White House is too concerned. this disaster is not much smaller in scale than 9/11. Bush needs to treat it as such
our leader and leaders can do more. a lot more
You're absolutely right.
This is Bush's chance to get his approval ratings out of the gutter. In some ways I'm glad to see him fumble and blow this chance, but the country could really use a good leader right now. But I'm sure Karl Rove will realize this soon.
Originally posted by: Kremlar
this disaster started about 4 almost 5 days ago. The adminstration has pledged troops would be in the area tommorow(fri).
It's not like there was a nuclear missle heading towards Louisiana - it was a hurricane, and the area has survived many hurricanes in the past. This one hit way harder than expected, and the situation worsened as local authorities weren't able to handle it.
Certainly, if we sent in military to every heavy hurrican or other natural disaster, the left would be bitching about us living in a military controlled state.
The bottom line is that it's a terrible situation, and hindsight is 20-20. Nobody WANTS to be in this situation.
Originally posted by: Tripleshot
Bush is aboslutely predictable. His action is dependant only on the photo op that puts him in the best light. Watch tommorows news and see what I mean. Do you think anything he says or does has any relevance to those souls in New Orleans? He is totally ineffective.
If he had any balls at all, he would have ordered air drops of water and food to those survivors. He used a news conference a day late and dlooar short to announce shipment(by Truck) to the gulf states hit by Katrina. Useless. The roads are under water. What freakin jerk we have has a President. A total disgrace.:disgust:
Originally posted by: speedstream5621
And this is the biggest problem that Bush faces...your attitude. You would rather see the President fail than to succeed in restoring the country to normalcy. I wish you were alone, but you're not.Originally posted by: totalcommand
Originally posted by: raildogg
what is wrong with this guy?
he is in a suit and tie giving a speech. who is he talking to? the people in the affected areas have no electricity and cant hear him. this is a bad move.
remember, his dad handled Andrew badly and he is following him.
hey Bush, get off Crawford, go to Alabama at least since going to Lousiana is not safe. take that suit and tie off, and show that you at least are very concerned. to me, it doesn't seem like the White House is too concerned. this disaster is not much smaller in scale than 9/11. Bush needs to treat it as such
our leader and leaders can do more. a lot more
You're absolutely right.
This is Bush's chance to get his approval ratings out of the gutter. In some ways I'm glad to see him fumble and blow this chance, but the country could really use a good leader right now. But I'm sure Karl Rove will realize this soon.
Anyone who cannot put aside political differences after their candidate loses is a complete moron. If Kerry had won the election, I would not be "glad" -at all- that he was not doing a good job helping the nation recover.
Originally posted by: speedstream5621
And this is the biggest problem that Bush faces...your attitude. You would rather see the President fail than to succeed in restoring the country to normalcy. I wish you were alone, but you're not.Originally posted by: totalcommand
Originally posted by: raildogg
what is wrong with this guy?
he is in a suit and tie giving a speech. who is he talking to? the people in the affected areas have no electricity and cant hear him. this is a bad move.
remember, his dad handled Andrew badly and he is following him.
hey Bush, get off Crawford, go to Alabama at least since going to Lousiana is not safe. take that suit and tie off, and show that you at least are very concerned. to me, it doesn't seem like the White House is too concerned. this disaster is not much smaller in scale than 9/11. Bush needs to treat it as such
our leader and leaders can do more. a lot more
You're absolutely right.
This is Bush's chance to get his approval ratings out of the gutter. In some ways I'm glad to see him fumble and blow this chance, but the country could really use a good leader right now. But I'm sure Karl Rove will realize this soon.
Anyone who cannot put aside political differences after their candidate loses is a complete moron. If Kerry had won the election, I would not be "glad" -at all- that he was not doing a good job helping the nation recover.
I was and am in Homestead since before Hurricane Andrew. Homestead and surrounding areas looked like a nuclear weapon was used. Andrew was a small, fast moving storm compared to Katrina. It took days for help to begin to arrive. New Orleans dwarfs Homestead in population. It is also a flood waiting that did happen.Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Trumpet -
Shouldn't they have been deployed to Iraq over two years ago?
They were there on the rush, came back in previous April & are preparing for redeployment.
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What we are witnessing here is a community collective form of PTSD where in short time with no anticipation of the severity.
These situations historically turn into anarchist struggles - Mad Max at the Superdome.
Explosive Psycho Drama.
Vigalante lynch mob paranoia and mentality.
If the fires come, you can't put them out without a functioning hydrant system.
Whatever is left when the water leaves is dead. Trees don't live long with drown roots.
Vegetation swamped by water bearing toxice chemicals die.
Much of the ground becomes sterile.
Buildings standing in water - wood rots, drywall crumbles, brick and mortar leach lime and calcium deposits, the brick 'mushes',
the mortar weeps out and degrades the joints. These buildings must be leveled before reconstruction can begin.
It will take decades to rebuild, as everything cannot be put up at the same time, priorities must direct the reclamation.
Where to start ? Homes ? Wal-Mart ? it's . . . not there anymore.
Watch the insurers fight tooth and nail to not have to pay on 'technicalities'.
Originally posted by: tcsenter
Its hard to redirect that kind of effort once it has already been committed.
Originally posted by: tcsenter
It would also seem officials hugely underestimated the number of persons who would stay behind, whether by choice or not.
Originally posted by: tcsenter
I cannot believe these people didn't take even the most basic short-term preparations, such as filling empty milk jugs, 2 liter bottles, whatever they could find, with clean tap water and caching some canned goods. They had two to three days advanced notice. Tap water doesn't come out of coin-operated fixtures and a mixed case of canned soup, stew, beans, and the like can be purchased for less than $20. Most of these people aren't that damned poor, unless they have drug and alcohol habits to feed (priorities, you know), or are sickly.
I expected some people to have no means of preparing, but it appears that NONE of these people took ANY short term preparations. It doesn't take a college degree and a good income to think "Hmm, maybe I should fill some of these empty liquor and beer bottles with tap water...just in case."
Originally posted by: TRUMPHENT
I was and am in Homestead since before Hurricane Andrew. Homestead and surrounding areas looked like a nuclear weapon was used. Andrew was a small, fast moving storm compared to Katrina. It took days for help to begin to arrive. New Orleans dwarfs Homestead in population. It is also a flood waiting that did happen.
I think I am qualified to extropolate based on my Andrew experience. New Orleans is a different geographical and geological location. As bad as the Florida hurricanes have been , there is nothing that compare to Katrina. Compound that with the fragility of New Orleans and disaster is garanteed. It's in progress.
More upsetting news footage is bound to appear in the following days. Some of it will be quite distressing and there isn't much anyone can do about it. Does that sound gloomy? It should, it's happening.
Originally posted by: conjur
And we're to believe a n00b troll like you?Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey
Originally posted by: FuzzyBee
Originally posted by: conjur
If the shoe fits...
And, in this case, it's a perfect fit.
I'll have the common courtesy to not tell you which shoe fits you.
I have no problem calling him a LIAR. Because that's what he is. He's been repeatedly told by me that I am not a member of the Free Republic and I don't read that site - yet he constantly tries to claim I'm a freeper.
With that evidence in plain sight - there is no doubt he is and should be exposed for the LIAR he is.
:roll:
You exhibit 100% of the symptoms of Freeperhea.
Originally posted by: rahvin
Well CNN has reported that Bush has authorized 3000 of the 101st to deploy "if needed". 3000.
Originally posted by: OrByte
I think its funny how no one has seemed to ask a very specific question to this administration and that is:
this disaster started about 4 almost 5 days ago. The adminstration has pledged troops would be in the area tommorow(fri).
WTF!?
thats 5 days with no law, no available food or water...your body needs water or in 4 or 5 days YOU ARE DEAD.
why couldn't the administration act a little faster!? straight up parachute into the area and restore some sense of order.
SO after 5 days the NG will arrive, that doesnt even BEGIN to administer some sort of PLAN and put the plan in motion...which may happen SAT or SUN. That is a WHOLE WEEK of 1000s of people not having access to food or water.
lots of people are going to be dead
We keep hearing that help will be on the way friday...well...friday is too goddam late.
Originally posted by: tcsenter
You could blame Bush for that, except it hasn't affected the hurricane response:Having said that, it's not like you can blame Bush for bad planning in Louisiana. The people lived in a friggin' bowl surrounded by water! Now you can certainly blame Bush for having diverted thousands of National Guard (Iraq) and hundreds of billions (Iraq) but that's about it.That said, 24 hours before Katrina landed, I kept hearing and reading of officials on the news talking about the number of guardsmen who had been called up and were standing by for immediate deployment; 200 guardsmen here, 500 guardsmen there, maybe 1500 total. WTF?? CAT5 hurricane and only 1500 guardsmen were standing by for deployment? Now there are 10,000+ more on the way. There should have been that many ready to begin with.78,000 of the roughly 440,000 National Guard troops nationwide are deployed overseas.
What appears to have happened, in part, early reports were that New Orleans was 'spared' from any considerable damage, while areas east of N.O. near Biloxi were practically leveled. Katrina landed further east of N.O. than predicted. All those immediate response assets standing by around MS, LA, AL, TX, and TN, were directed to areas reported hardest hit (east of N.O.). THEN, the levy around N.O. broke and flooded the city. 70% of the city was DRY several hours after Katrina passed, then the water came pouring in. Its hard to redirect that kind of effort once it has already been committed.
It would also seem officials hugely underestimated the number of persons who would stay behind, whether by choice or not. I cannot believe these people didn't take even the most basic short-term preparations, such as filling empty milk jugs, 2 liter bottles, whatever they could find, with clean tap water and caching some canned goods. They had two to three days advanced notice. Tap water doesn't come out of coin-operated fixtures and a mixed case of canned soup, stew, beans, and the like can be purchased for less than $20. Most of these people aren't that damned poor, unless they have drug and alcohol habits to feed (priorities, you know), or are sickly.
I expected some people to have no means of preparing, but it appears that NONE of these people took ANY short term preparations. It doesn't take a college degree and a good income to think "Hmm, maybe I should fill some of these empty malt liquor bottles with tap water...just in case."
Originally posted by: conjur
Proof of this?Originally posted by: FuzzyBee
We'll see if it ever gets here. Anybody can offer.
And I know that Citgo was gouging here. Coincidence that it was all the Citgos? I think not.
Looks like BP to me <--- Captured the image from Yahoo.
http://www.atlantagasprices.com/
Shell - $3.99
Marathon - $3.99
Exxon - $3.99
Chevron - $3.95
Citgo - $3.79
Citgo - $3.69
Nice try.
Originally posted by: conjur
Yeah...we're going to believe you. mmm hmmm
Originally posted by: conjur
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9161198uhhh...more mexed missages?WASHINGTON - In a dramatic turnabout, the United States is now on the receiving end of help from around the world as some two dozen countries offer post-hurricane assistance.
Venezuela, a target of frequent criticism by the Bush administration, offered humanitarian aid and fuel. Venezuela?s Citgo Petroleum Corp. pledged a $1 million donation for hurricane aid.
With offers from the four corners of the globe pouring in, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has decided ?no offer that can help alleviate the suffering of the people in the afflicted area will be refused,? State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said Thursday.
However, in Moscow, a Russian official said the U.S. Federal Emergency Management Agency had rejected a Russian offer to dispatch rescue teams and other aid.
Condolences and cash
On Tuesday, President Vladimir Putin sent condolences to President Bush and said Russia was prepared to help if asked.
Boats, aircraft, tents, blankets, generators, cash assistance and medical teams have been offered to the U.S. government in Washington or in embassies overseas.
Offers have been received from Russia, Japan, Canada, France, Honduras, Germany, Venezuela, Jamaica, Australia, the United Kingdom, the Netherlands, Switzerland, Greece, Hungary, Colombia, the Dominican Republic, El Salvador, Mexico, China, South Korea, Israel, the United Arab Emirates, NATO and the Organization of American States, the spokesman said.
Israeli Ambassador Daniel Ayalon called Wednesday at the State Department to offer condolences and assistance. Israel is the largest recipient of U.S. aid, about $2.2 billion a year.
Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has offered the U.S. hundreds of doctors, nurses, experts in trauma and natural disasters, NBC News has learned. Sharon has also offered field hospitals and medical kits as well as temporary housing and told Bush in a letter that the medical assistance and other help could be deployed within 24 hours.
Tempered expectations
Still, Bush told ABC-TV: ?I?m not expecting much from foreign nations because we hadn?t asked for it. I do expect a lot of sympathy and perhaps some will send cash dollars. But this country?s going to rise up and take care of it.?
?You know,? he said, ?we would love help, but we?re going to take care of our own business as well, and there?s no doubt in my mind we?ll succeed. And there?s no doubt in my mind, as I sit here talking to you, that New Orleans is going to rise up again as a great city.?
Historically, the United States provides assistance to other countries experiencing earthquakes, floods and other disasters.
Germany, which was rebuilt after World War II largely by the U.S. Marshall Plan, offered its help in a telephone call to Rice.
?The German Government is prepared to do all that is humanly possible,? the German embassy said. In his call, German Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer assured Rice of Germany?s solidarity with its American friends in a difficult time, the embassy said.
Sure, trains can be turned around. You're [quite deliberately] misrepresenting what I said. Difficult is not the same as impossible.The iron dice right? Once the trains start moving you can't possibly call them back or redirect them.
Ummm...its 2005, not 2001. An academic estimate concerning a purely theoretical event has limited relevance to a real event four years later. Averting a major humanitarian disaster is every bit as DEPENDENT upon people heeding mandatory evacuation notices as the mounting emergency response. These are two sides of the same coin.All reports prepared beforehand including the FEMA report prepared in 2001 indicated that anywhere from 20-100K people would stay behind.
The sheer magnitude of need is proportionate to the number of people who ignored the evacuation orders. Excepting those who were too frail, sick, or indigent to evacuate, those who stayed took an informed risk...and lost. If only 50,000 people or fewer had stayed, they'd all be out by now.Blame the vitcim.
lol! Because a few gallons of water and a dozen cans of stew are just too heavy for people to move from one floor of their home to another, up the stairs, into the attic, or onto the roof. Surely they cannot carry such massive bulk in their arms. I mean, If I get more than one bag of groceries at the supermarket, I need a big burly National Guardsmen to carry groceries to my car. Then I have to enlist several neighbors to get it inside my home! I need a special conveyer to lift cans of stew into my pantry!All the preparations in the world don't do you a damn bit of a good if all your food and water is in your home under 20' of water. There were quite a few people that prepared, and all their food and water is no longer accessible and/or destroyed but that tends to happen when peoples homes are destroyed.
Originally posted by: tcsenter
Sure, trains can be turned around. You're [quite deliberately] misrepresenting what I said. Difficult is not the same as impossible.The iron dice right? Once the trains start moving you can't possibly call them back or redirect them.
Ummm...its 2005, not 2001. An academic estimate concerning a purely theoretical event has limited relevance to a real event four years later. Averting a major humanitarian disaster is every bit as DEPENDENT upon people heeding mandatory evacuation notices as the mounting emergency response. These are two sides of the same coin.All reports prepared beforehand including the FEMA report prepared in 2001 indicated that anywhere from 20-100K people would stay behind.
Even if the city approximated in advance for the number of people who would stay, the problem is mounting an evacuation, rescue, and supply operation for 100,000 people spread out over dozens of square miles with just four or five days advanced notice. It can't be done. It never has been, and never will be.
And of course, New Orleans isn't the only area in need, it isn't even the hardest hit, far from it. There are probably a quarter million people between N.O. and Biloxi who are in urgent need. Its just that not all of them are 'squeaky wheels' clamoring for attention from every TV camera they can find. Tens of thousands of rural and suburban white people in urgent need just ain't news worthy.The sheer magnitude of need is proportionate to the number of people who ignored the evacuation orders. Excepting those who were too frail, sick, or indigent to evacuate, those who stayed took an informed risk...and lost. If only 50,000 people or fewer had stayed, they'd all be out by now.Blame the vitcim.lol! Because a few gallons of water and a dozen cans of stew are just too heavy for people to move from one floor of their home to another, up the stairs, into the attic, or onto the roof. Surely they cannot carry such massive bulk in their arms. I mean, If I get more than one bag of groceries at the supermarket, I need a big burly National Guardsmen to carry groceries to my car. Then I have to enlist several neighbors to get it inside my home! I need a special conveyer to lift cans of stew into my pantry!All the preparations in the world don't do you a damn bit of a good if all your food and water is in your home under 20' of water. There were quite a few people that prepared, and all their food and water is no longer accessible and/or destroyed but that tends to happen when peoples homes are destroyed.
90% of homes are still standing in N.O. It wasn't the wind and hurricane damage that poses the problem in N.O. Katrina did not result in widespread major damage. The crisis in N.O. is due to flood water from the levy breaching HOURS after Katrina had passed through. The water rose no more than a couple feet per hour, leaving plenty of time for people to say "Oh sh-t! We only have about two hours to get our supplies out and onto the roof, or up to the second level, or to higher ground."
Of course, the reason people didn't was because they had didn't make simple preparations to begin with. Its the insidious culture of the ghetto and projects; we don't need to do for ourselves, someone will spend millions of dollars to airdrop us food, water, and televisions. They damned well better...or we'll act a fool just as soon as we can find a TV camera!
Originally posted by: tcsenter
Sure, trains can be turned around. You're [quite deliberately] misrepresenting what I said. Difficult is not the same as impossible.The iron dice right? Once the trains start moving you can't possibly call them back or redirect them.
Ummm...its 2005, not 2001. An academic estimate concerning a purely theoretical event has limited relevance to a real event four years later. Averting a major humanitarian disaster is every bit as DEPENDENT upon people heeding mandatory evacuation notices as the mounting emergency response. These are two sides of the same coin.All reports prepared beforehand including the FEMA report prepared in 2001 indicated that anywhere from 20-100K people would stay behind.
Even if the city approximated in advance for the number of people who would stay, the problem is mounting an evacuation, rescue, and supply operation for 100,000 people spread out over dozens of square miles with just four or five days advanced notice. It can't be done. It never has been, and never will be.
And of course, New Orleans isn't the only area in need, it isn't even the hardest hit, far from it. There are probably a quarter million people between N.O. and Biloxi who are in urgent need. Its just that not all of them are 'squeaky wheels' clamoring for attention from every TV camera they can find. Tens of thousands of rural and suburban white people in urgent need just ain't news worthy.The sheer magnitude of need is proportionate to the number of people who ignored the evacuation orders. Excepting those who were too frail, sick, or indigent to evacuate, those who stayed took an informed risk...and lost. If only 50,000 people or fewer had stayed, they'd all be out by now.Blame the vitcim.lol! Because a few gallons of water and a dozen cans of stew are just too heavy for people to move from one floor of their home to another, up the stairs, into the attic, or onto the roof. Surely they cannot carry such massive bulk in their arms. I mean, If I get more than one bag of groceries at the supermarket, I need a big burly National Guardsmen to carry groceries to my car. Then I have to enlist several neighbors to get it inside my home! I need a special conveyer to lift cans of stew into my pantry!All the preparations in the world don't do you a damn bit of a good if all your food and water is in your home under 20' of water. There were quite a few people that prepared, and all their food and water is no longer accessible and/or destroyed but that tends to happen when peoples homes are destroyed.
90% of homes are still standing in N.O. It wasn't the wind and hurricane damage that poses the problem in N.O. Katrina did not result in widespread major damage. The crisis in N.O. is due to flood water from the levy breaching HOURS after Katrina had passed through. The water rose no more than a couple feet per hour, leaving plenty of time for people to say "Oh sh-t! We only have about two hours to get our supplies out and onto the roof, or up to the second level, or to higher ground."
Of course, the reason people didn't was because they had didn't make simple preparations to begin with. Its the insidious culture of the ghetto and projects; we don't need to do for ourselves, someone will spend millions of dollars to airdrop us food, water, and televisions. They damned well better...or we'll act a fool just as soon as we can find a TV camera!
Originally posted by: ntdz
Do you realize how fast the water filled up the city when the levies broke? A matter of a couple of minutes.
All residents on the east bank of New Orleans and Jefferson remaining in the metro area are being told to evacuate as efforts to sandbag the levee break have ended, according to WWL-TV. The pumps in that area are expected to fail soon and nine feet of water is predicted in the entire east bank within the next 12-15 hours.
...
Downtown streets that were relatively clear in the hours after the storm were filled with 1 to 1 ½-feet of water Tuesday morning. Water was knee-deep around the Superdome. Canal Street was literally a canal. Water lapped at the edge of the French Quarter. Clumps of red ants floated in the gasoline-fouled waters downtown.
"It's a very slow rise, and it will remain so until we plug that breach. I think we can get it stabilized in a few hours," said Terry Ebbert, New Orleans' homeland security chief.
Originally posted by: tcsenter
Sure, trains can be turned around. You're [quite deliberately] misrepresenting what I said. Difficult is not the same as impossible.The iron dice right? Once the trains start moving you can't possibly call them back or redirect them.
Ummm...its 2005, not 2001. An academic estimate concerning a purely theoretical event has limited relevance to a real event four years later. Averting a major humanitarian disaster is every bit as DEPENDENT upon people heeding mandatory evacuation notices as the mounting emergency response. These are two sides of the same coin.All reports prepared beforehand including the FEMA report prepared in 2001 indicated that anywhere from 20-100K people would stay behind.
Even if the city approximated in advance for the number of people who would stay, the problem is mounting an evacuation, rescue, and supply operation for 100,000 people spread out over dozens of square miles with just four or five days advanced notice. It can't be done. It never has been, and never will be.
And of course, New Orleans isn't the only area in need, it isn't even the hardest hit, far from it. There are probably a quarter million people between N.O. and Biloxi who are in urgent need. Its just that not all of them are 'squeaky wheels' clamoring for attention from every TV camera they can find. Tens of thousands of rural and suburban white people in urgent need just ain't news worthy.The sheer magnitude of need is proportionate to the number of people who ignored the evacuation orders. Excepting those who were too frail, sick, or indigent to evacuate, those who stayed took an informed risk...and lost. If only 50,000 people or fewer had stayed, they'd all be out by now.Blame the vitcim.lol! Because a few gallons of water and a dozen cans of stew are just too heavy for people to move from one floor of their home to another, up the stairs, into the attic, or onto the roof. Surely they cannot carry such massive bulk in their arms. I mean, If I get more than one bag of groceries at the supermarket, I need a big burly National Guardsmen to carry groceries to my car. Then I have to enlist several neighbors to get it inside my home! I need a special conveyer to lift cans of stew into my pantry!All the preparations in the world don't do you a damn bit of a good if all your food and water is in your home under 20' of water. There were quite a few people that prepared, and all their food and water is no longer accessible and/or destroyed but that tends to happen when peoples homes are destroyed.
90% of homes are still standing in N.O. It wasn't the wind and hurricane damage that poses the problem in N.O. Katrina did not result in widespread major damage. The crisis in N.O. is due to flood water from the levy breaching HOURS after Katrina had passed through. The water rose no more than a couple feet per hour, leaving plenty of time for people to say "Oh sh-t! We only have about two hours to get our supplies out and onto the roof, or up to the second level, or to higher ground."
Of course, the reason people didn't was because they had didn't make simple preparations to begin with. Its the insidious culture of the ghetto and projects; we don't need to do for ourselves, someone will spend millions of tax dollars to airdrop us food, water, and televisions. They damned well better...or we'll act a fool just as soon as we can find a TV camera!
False. The water rose not more than three to four feet per hour in the WORST areas (nearest to and lower than the levy break). e.g. the French Quarter was perfectly dry after Katrina passed and took at least three hours for the water to reach its highest level. The French Quarter is one of the lowest points in the city.Do you realize how fast the water filled up the city when the levies broke? A matter of a couple of minutes.
I've been in one of the worst ice storms of the 20th century, a tornado, and several severe weather systems. I know for a fact that enough water and canned food can easily fit into a 13 gallon Hefty trash bag to support a family of four between two and three days (longer with a little rationing). I also know for a fact it doesn't take a helicopter or a swift water rescue team to carry said bag up a flight or two of stairs, onto the roof, or several city blocks away to higher ground.I just have to ask, have you seen any of the footage of Katrina on TV? Have you ever been in a category five hurricane?
I didn't know that. :shocked: Thanks! :roll:And are you conscious of the fact that you're a racist pig?
Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey
Originally posted by: OrByte
I think its funny how no one has seemed to ask a very specific question to this administration and that is:
this disaster started about 4 almost 5 days ago. The adminstration has pledged troops would be in the area tommorow(fri).
WTF!?
thats 5 days with no law, no available food or water...your body needs water or in 4 or 5 days YOU ARE DEAD.
why couldn't the administration act a little faster!? straight up parachute into the area and restore some sense of order.
SO after 5 days the NG will arrive, that doesnt even BEGIN to administer some sort of PLAN and put the plan in motion...which may happen SAT or SUN. That is a WHOLE WEEK of 1000s of people not having access to food or water.
lots of people are going to be dead
We keep hearing that help will be on the way friday...well...friday is too goddam late.
Approximately 2000 National Guard members(according to reports) were prepositioned before the storm and moved in the day after. BTW, that is a state call - not a Federal one - the Guard is directed at a state level.
Try directing your emotion in a helpful direction instead of in a misinformed direction.