Buy 8800 GTS Superclocked now or wait for 8800GT?

[bozack]

This is my dilemma, looking to spend under $300 and the less is always better, just wondering if it is worth waiting for the GT or should I just go with the GTS now? thanks

 

[Bateluer]

Well, the GTS should outperform the GT by a good amount, should it not?

 

[GundamSonicZeroX]

Well, the 7600 GT beat out the 7600GTS, so I guess the 8 series will be the same.

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: Bateluer
Well, the GTS should outperform the GT by a good amount, should it not?

no clue, that is why I am here...

 

[Quiksilver]

Wait until the 8800GT launches and the 8800GTS 320 revision that adds the .... (forgot word) processors. Then check prices.

 

[JBT]

What week in November are these cards supposed to be released? anyone know?

 

[kknd1967]

Oct 29 with 112 stream processors, rumor has it

Originally posted by: JBT
What week in November are these cards supposed to be released? anyone know?

 

[chizow]

Should wait, latest word is NV bumping up the release date, which should be about 3 weeks away. 8800GT should go for $200-$250 with different amounts of RAM and possibly clock speeds on a 55nm processor with fewer shaders than 96 GTS, but similar performance. Info/pricing/availability on the 112 shader GTS isn't as solid right now, but end result is the price on current 96 shader GTS should go down while introducing some new parts at different price points.

 

[superbooga]

Originally posted by: chizow
Should wait, latest word is NV bumping up the release date, which should be about 3 weeks away. 8800GT should go for $200-$250 with different amounts of RAM and possibly clock speeds on a 55nm processor with fewer shaders than 96 GTS, but similar performance. Info/pricing/availability on the 112 shader GTS isn't as solid right now, but end result is the price on current 96 shader GTS should go down while introducing some new parts at different price points.

There is virtually no point in selling a product that has similar performance but costs more to make. With almost 100% certainty, the 2950Pro/8800GT are going to be faster than 2900XT/8800GTS.

If you have purchased a 2900XT/2900Pro/8800GTS recently...sorry, you should have waited.

 

[kknd1967]

I am curious if 8800GT is better/cheaper than 8800GTS/320M, how will eVGA handle the step-up program. Pay me the difference and give me the better 8800GT?

 

[alcoholbob]

It would be fairly bad if the 8800 GT did perform worse than the 8800 GTS 320, because almost certainly the launch price will be higher than the 320mb 8800 GTS (which is as low as $260 AR now).

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: superbooga

Originally posted by: chizow
Should wait, latest word is NV bumping up the release date, which should be about 3 weeks away. 8800GT should go for $200-$250 with different amounts of RAM and possibly clock speeds on a 55nm processor with fewer shaders than 96 GTS, but similar performance. Info/pricing/availability on the 112 shader GTS isn't as solid right now, but end result is the price on current 96 shader GTS should go down while introducing some new parts at different price points.

There is virtually no point in selling a product that has similar performance but costs more to make. With almost 100% certainty, the 2950Pro/8800GT are going to be faster than 2900XT/8800GTS.

If you have purchased a 2900XT/2900Pro/8800GTS recently...sorry, you should have waited.

why will the next gen of cards cost more to make? they will be on 55/65 nm process instead of 80/90. They will be A LOT cheaper to make for both camps. There is nothing "certain" about the performance of any nextgen cards yet. However, it is likely that they'll be at or near the performance level of 8800gts/2900xt for the better cards and slightly slower for the entry-level midrange.

 

[superbooga]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995

Originally posted by: superbooga

Originally posted by: chizow
Should wait, latest word is NV bumping up the release date, which should be about 3 weeks away. 8800GT should go for $200-$250 with different amounts of RAM and possibly clock speeds on a 55nm processor with fewer shaders than 96 GTS, but similar performance. Info/pricing/availability on the 112 shader GTS isn't as solid right now, but end result is the price on current 96 shader GTS should go down while introducing some new parts at different price points.

There is virtually no point in selling a product that has similar performance but costs more to make. With almost 100% certainty, the 2950Pro/8800GT are going to be faster than 2900XT/8800GTS.

If you have purchased a 2900XT/2900Pro/8800GTS recently...sorry, you should have waited.

why will the next gen of cards cost more to make? they will be on 55/65 nm process instead of 80/90. They will be A LOT cheaper to make for both camps. There is nothing "certain" about the performance of any nextgen cards yet. However, it is likely that they'll be at or near the performance level of 8800gts/2900xt for the better cards and slightly slower for the entry-level midrange.

They don't.

The specs of the 2950Pro have been known for a long time. It will almost certainly outperform the 2900XT and 8800GTS in the majority of games, and it's going to cost $250. It makes no sense to position the 8800GTS against the 2950Pro. That's why the 8800GT will be cheaper and faster than the 8800GTS.

Upgrades/price reductions made to the 8800GTS are irrelevant. Prices might fall significantly before launch; but even priced at $250 the 8800GTS-640 is not a good buy.

 

[chizow]

Originally posted by: superbooga

Originally posted by: bryanW1995

Originally posted by: superbooga

Originally posted by: chizow
Should wait, latest word is NV bumping up the release date, which should be about 3 weeks away. 8800GT should go for $200-$250 with different amounts of RAM and possibly clock speeds on a 55nm processor with fewer shaders than 96 GTS, but similar performance. Info/pricing/availability on the 112 shader GTS isn't as solid right now, but end result is the price on current 96 shader GTS should go down while introducing some new parts at different price points.

There is virtually no point in selling a product that has similar performance but costs more to make. With almost 100% certainty, the 2950Pro/8800GT are going to be faster than 2900XT/8800GTS.

If you have purchased a 2900XT/2900Pro/8800GTS recently...sorry, you should have waited.

why will the next gen of cards cost more to make? they will be on 55/65 nm process instead of 80/90. They will be A LOT cheaper to make for both camps. There is nothing "certain" about the performance of any nextgen cards yet. However, it is likely that they'll be at or near the performance level of 8800gts/2900xt for the better cards and slightly slower for the entry-level midrange.

They don't.

The specs of the 2950Pro have been known for a long time. It will almost certainly outperform the 2900XT and 8800GTS in the majority of games, and it's going to cost $250. It makes no sense to position the 8800GTS against the 2950Pro. That's why the 8800GT will be cheaper and faster than the 8800GTS.

Upgrades/price reductions made to the 8800GTS are irrelevant. Prices might fall significantly before launch; but even priced at $250 the 8800GTS-640 is not a good buy.

Well, I think there's some things in there you're taking as gospel without any solid numbers or specs to back it up. The 8800GT is supposed to perform around the same as the GTS in 3DMark06, spurring the need for the 112sp "refresh". If the 112sp refresh takes the place of the 96sp 640MB GTS, that'll force the prices down or push those cards to EOL.

As for the 2950/RV670, I believe there were Pro/XT parts planned? If ATI's mainstream part outperforms their performance part, they're not going to sell many 2900XTs at even $300. More likely there'll be a 2950pro at $200-$250 with slower stock clocks and less/slower memory (that perform slower than the 2900XT) and a 2950XT at $350+ with faster stock clocks and more/faster memory (a bit faster than the 2900XT).

If you take OC'ing into consideration then both the 2950pro and 8800GT would most likely be better than older alternatives like the 640MB 8800GTS at similar prices, but stock speeds will most likely justify any market position for the older part. 320MB GTS is supposed to go EOL, but it makes more sense that the 640MB would with the 112sp coming out. If the 640MB stays in production that tells me NV will keep it priced relatively high.

 

[Dribble]

Originally posted by: chizow
As for the 2950/RV670, I believe there were Pro/XT parts planned? If ATI's mainstream part outperforms their performance part, they're not going to sell many 2900XTs at even $300. More likely there'll be a 2950pro at $200-$250 with slower stock clocks and less/slower memory (that perform slower than the 2900XT) and a 2950XT at $350+ with faster stock clocks and more/faster memory (a bit faster than the 2900XT).

Or they scrap the 2900XT which performs badly considering how much it costs to make, and make the dual 2950 card (due out beginning of next year) the new ATI high end part. One sign they might be planning to do this would be if they were trying to offload all their existing 2900 stock - 2900Pro anyone?

Rumoured clocks for 2950Pro=750 core & 1.8Ghz DDR3 memory, 2950XT=825 core & 2.4Ghz DDR4 memory.

 

[superbooga]

Originally posted by: chizow

Originally posted by: superbooga

Originally posted by: bryanW1995

Originally posted by: superbooga

Originally posted by: chizow
Should wait, latest word is NV bumping up the release date, which should be about 3 weeks away. 8800GT should go for $200-$250 with different amounts of RAM and possibly clock speeds on a 55nm processor with fewer shaders than 96 GTS, but similar performance. Info/pricing/availability on the 112 shader GTS isn't as solid right now, but end result is the price on current 96 shader GTS should go down while introducing some new parts at different price points.

There is virtually no point in selling a product that has similar performance but costs more to make. With almost 100% certainty, the 2950Pro/8800GT are going to be faster than 2900XT/8800GTS.

If you have purchased a 2900XT/2900Pro/8800GTS recently...sorry, you should have waited.

why will the next gen of cards cost more to make? they will be on 55/65 nm process instead of 80/90. They will be A LOT cheaper to make for both camps. There is nothing "certain" about the performance of any nextgen cards yet. However, it is likely that they'll be at or near the performance level of 8800gts/2900xt for the better cards and slightly slower for the entry-level midrange.

They don't.

The specs of the 2950Pro have been known for a long time. It will almost certainly outperform the 2900XT and 8800GTS in the majority of games, and it's going to cost $250. It makes no sense to position the 8800GTS against the 2950Pro. That's why the 8800GT will be cheaper and faster than the 8800GTS.

Upgrades/price reductions made to the 8800GTS are irrelevant. Prices might fall significantly before launch; but even priced at $250 the 8800GTS-640 is not a good buy.

Well, I think there's some things in there you're taking as gospel without any solid numbers or specs to back it up. The 8800GT is supposed to perform around the same as the GTS in 3DMark06, spurring the need for the 112sp "refresh". If the 112sp refresh takes the place of the 96sp 640MB GTS, that'll force the prices down or push those cards to EOL.

As for the 2950/RV670, I believe there were Pro/XT parts planned? If ATI's mainstream part outperforms their performance part, they're not going to sell many 2900XTs at even $300. More likely there'll be a 2950pro at $200-$250 with slower stock clocks and less/slower memory (that perform slower than the 2900XT) and a 2950XT at $350+ with faster stock clocks and more/faster memory (a bit faster than the 2900XT).

If you take OC'ing into consideration then both the 2950pro and 8800GT would most likely be better than older alternatives like the 640MB 8800GTS at similar prices, but stock speeds will most likely justify any market position for the older part. 320MB GTS is supposed to go EOL, but it makes more sense that the 640MB would with the 112sp coming out. If the 640MB stays in production that tells me NV will keep it priced relatively high.

Why should ATI even bother with the 2900XT? It's like why would Nvidia bother selling the 5800Ultra after the 5900 came out? ATI doesn't need or want to dominate high-end. Short of producing a dual-GPU solution, they can't compete with the GTX/Ultra. They just want to be competitive in other market segments.

The 2950Pro is something that forces Nvidia to release a faster, cheaper product. The 8800GTS/2900XT will become the 7800GTX-256 after the 7900GT came out -- slower, more expensive to make.

 

[Ares202]

Firstly is it actually confirmed that the card is called the 8800gt? a better name would be the 8950gt to make it sound better than the 8800gts


what sort of a performace jump are we looking at from a 8800gts/2900xt to the 2950/8800gt ?

anything like a jump from a 7800 to a 7900?

 

[kknd1967]

it is rumored that both 8800GT HD2950 will be single slot, which implies they are not at the top of their clock freq. Unless they come up with 2-slot products, they will just be mid-range cards.
One can surely do OC, but likely a new HSF is needed?

 

[Gusty987]

If the 8800GT is supposed to be faster than the GTS, why would they close the gap between the two by increasing the stream processors on the GTS?

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: superbooga

Originally posted by: chizow
Should wait, latest word is NV bumping up the release date, which should be about 3 weeks away. 8800GT should go for $200-$250 with different amounts of RAM and possibly clock speeds on a 55nm processor with fewer shaders than 96 GTS, but similar performance. Info/pricing/availability on the 112 shader GTS isn't as solid right now, but end result is the price on current 96 shader GTS should go down while introducing some new parts at different price points.

There is virtually no point in selling a product that has similar performance but costs more to make. With almost 100% certainty, the 2950Pro/8800GT are going to be faster than 2900XT/8800GTS.

If you have purchased a 2900XT/2900Pro/8800GTS recently...sorry, you should have waited.

W.....T......F......

OP: Just wait until the next card is released. God I am tired of saying this.

 

[lopri]

Yeah I'd wait at this point unless you're getting some deal on 8800 GTX/Ultra. It's very likely the new parts will equal the performance of current 8800 GTS or 2900 XT, and there might be added/fixed functionality for HD decoding. All this in a single-slot with probably better thermal characteristics. Overclocking can be a mixed bag because of the weaker cooling mechanism. Suppose the cooling is equal to current dual-slot cards, the newer ones will clock better and perform better.

 

[Capitalizt]

Go with this one now...$264 shipped with no rebates:

http://www.microcenter.com/sin...tml?product_id=0256278

 

[Sunrise089]

Originally posted by: Capitalizt
Go with this one now...$264 shipped with no rebates:

http://www.microcenter.com/sin...tml?product_id=0256278

That one is OK, but there are concerns with the 320meg cards.

 

[kknd1967]

price match this at CircuitCity and apply the 40off200 coupon

Originally posted by: Capitalizt
Go with this one now...$264 shipped with no rebates:

http://www.microcenter.com/sin...tml?product_id=0256278

 

[imported_Shaq]

I would wait. Dailytech just indicated that the 8800GT wil have 112 shader processors and only be $250 for the 512MB version and should be a single slot design.

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=9180