buy.com DOTD 50 GB SCSI HD $599: $300 less than lowest pricescan price

yodayoda

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wow, if i was in the market for a big scsi hard drive, this would be it. it is only 7200 rpm, not 10,000 rpm like i have seen some SCSI drives, but it is only $599. here are some links:

Seagate HD
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specs: Seagate 50.1GB SCSI ULTRA2 LVD 3.5HH 8.2MS 7200RPM SCA 80PIN

what does the board think?
 

Madcowz

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HAH! That's close to IDE performance! You can get a 45GB IDE hard drive for $127, why would you pay something ridulous like $600?
 

yodayoda

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come on, don't you have $600 + S&H to get some superfast HD space. how about getting the 3 quantity max for the DOTD with a SCSI RAID controller, have 150 GB of space. enough of this JBOD system =)

that's the whole thing about ATA/100... it is a complete waste now becase the 7200 rpm HDs cannot keep up with the data transfer rate: for the CS guys in the crowd, that is the von Neumann bottleneck. until you see a 10K rpm ATA/100, you will just be getting ATA/66 performance from an ATA/100 7200 rpm. same with this seagate drive: it spins too slow.
 

Achilles81

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I've NEVER understood why people put out the big bucks for SCSI. Especially now, when you can get an IDE drive that is comparable in specs to that drive listed above for 1/5 the price. Someone PLEASE enlighten me.
 

cepler

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IDE is great for the desktop and the IBM GXP series drives are about
the fastest things out there but for servers you really do need SCSI.
There are a few reasons:

1) As stated, is thruput. SCSI can pump a lot more data down the bus
than IDE can but this will only really come into play when..

2) Lots of drives. Some SCSI RAID controllers will do 3 or more
chains of 15+ drives on each chain. Thats a LOT of storage
capability, not to mention the ability to spread out your I/O
operations across chains, gaining further bandwidth for the drives.

Theres still a place for SCSI and they aren't bought up as much as
IDE, so thats why they're still more expensive...and the server market
has always been more expensive than the desktop market.
 

Wiz

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heheheh... not to mention that they are built like a shick brithouse.
Give me one scsi drive for every five IDE drives I've had to sh1tcan because it fails when you need it most.
Then of course there's the throughput and the more intelligent drive interface yadayadayada. If I were building a system my life depended on it would not include an IDE hard drive.
That being said the wife and kids systems all have cheap plentiful IDE hard drives because I don't care about their data. When something fails on their systems I just say, gee I bet you wish you had listened to me when I was teaching you about backing up your data don't you.
Cynical old fart aint I?
 

colossus

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All these "kids" will never "know" SCSI until they have it their system.

Have you ever tried to edit a 10 minute DVD quality video clip on IDE. You might as well go to lunch...

I love my 45GB IBM, but I would gladly trade 3 or 4 of them any day for a average sized 15K RPM SCSI
 

Dealtarget

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I have two computers, 1 Full SCSI and 1 Full IDE. Yes SCSI is a bit faster but was it worth the extra $$$. IMO no. Even for the average "Power User" IDE is fine. SCSI should only be used in a server. Just my 2 cents.
 

tech405

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The only drawback to this drive is it's SCA interface. That's used in servers with an SCA backplane. You will/would have to buy an adaptor to either regular SCSI III or 80-pin SCSI if you want to use this particular hard drive. My .02 worth.
 

RoadRuner

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I've got one of those 50 gig drives. Rock solid bulletproof.

ide drives were never built to sustain the constant beating our webservers put on them. They will die QUICK.

Plus 5 year warranty. I've got an old 5.25" full height drive i just sent back after 4.5 years of service. They will give me a new one

You get what you pay for. You want something cheap, that performs decent, and may last a year or two great. You want something to install in a server, and expect to never die, buy a seagate scsi.

Like driving a ford vs a diesel mercedes, which do you think will last longer?

 

kombatmud

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I had IDE, then switched over to SCSI and of all the upgrades I've made to my computer, this one shocked me the most (with the possible exception of getting my first 3d accelerator). I was completely stunned at how many things were suddenly much faster, particularly things like file searches and scandisk. Nowadays IDE drives are much faster then they were when I switched (originally went from an 8.4 gig 5400 RPM, to a 9.1 gig 10,000 RPM), but all of the computers I use which have IDE today are still noticeably slower then my dated SCSI drives (and much more so slower then my new SCSI drives). The other great thing about SCSI is the ability to add many more drives. I currently have 2 SCSI controllers (one single channel Ultra160 and one dual channel Ultra160 RAID) I have 5 hard drives, 5 CD drives (1 CD-ROM, 1 DVD-ROM, and 3 CD burners) and a Tape drive. I could easily run all of this off of my single channel controller, the only reason I don't is I got the RAID card for christmas, and it's a lot faster. With my 11 drives, I can still add 34 more drives to my system before I'd need another controller. 3 of my hard drives are also hot swappble, because they're SCA and plugged into an SCA backplane. I've actually pulled my boot drive out of the system while it was running, and nothing crashed, when I put the drive back, in spun up again, and was accessable as normal. The last main advantage to SCSI in my opinion is the CPU Utilization, SCSI runs at extremely low CPU utilization, which leaves resources free for your system, and can cause less problems (particularly when burning a CD). I can burn 3 CDs at once (no burn proof on any of my drives) while still working on other things as I normally would. There is only one disadvantage to SCSI, and that is cost. It's definately not worth it for everyone, but it was well worth it to me, and I'm sure there are other people out there who feel the same way.
 

Nutzo

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Actually it's a bit more complicated that that. IDE has 2 channels, and that you can connect 2 drives to each channel. Each channel can only process 1 command (like seek, read, write, etc) at a time. So, if you are coping between 2 drives on the same channel, you have to wait for each drive to complete the command before the next command can be started.

With SCSI, a single buss can have 7 or 15 (wide scsi) drives. depending on the controller, you can have 20 or more commands issued at once. So while drive 1 is seeking to track 5, drive 2 can be seeking to track 7 and drive 3 can be reading track 34, etc.

If you have 2 drives with the same basic specs, and one is IDE and the other is SCSI, and you are using an OS like Windows 98, then you will not see any real difference. In fact you might find that SCSI is a little slower because of the overhead. Of course most scsi drives are faster because they have better specs (like 10K or 15K RPM)

If you are using NT or Unix, SCSI will probably be faster. If you are using an array of 4 or more drives, SCSI will alot be faster. If you have a 3 Buss Caching SCSI RAID controller with a dozen 15K RPM Drives, then you are probably waiting on your PCI Buss or your CPU

 

cepler

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..And if you want some great performance in IDE, check out the IBM
drives. They've been quite reliable for me and are 7200 RPM with very
decent buffers. In fact, under most circumstances for workstation
work, they'll outperform most single SCSI drive setups. (Currently
this is the 75GXP series).

For cheap mass storage, the Maxtor 80gig's are pretty decent. Great
for building a nice MP3 library.

Oh and another thing about SCSI, RAID. Striping your data across an
array of 15 drives can give you some AWESOME performance.
 

yodayoda

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kombatmud, what the hell do you do with that monster? it's got to be a porn server with that much storage space.
 

Boogak

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SCSI drives also work alot more efficiently than IDE drives when it comes to really heavy drive access (think corporate file servers serving a couple of hundred users simultaneously). That's why you see most servers have SCSI drives instead of IDE.
 
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