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Trikat

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Also a small APC 500VA UPS will not hold a gaming system even during a power loss. If you have a decent to a powerful rig atleast invest in an 800VA. I have a Belkin 800VA and I think it can hold my system for maybe 5-10 minutes, but I have never timed it or tested it.
AMD 3200+, K8V SE Del, ATI AIW X800 XT, 4 hard drives, 2gb ram.

Never had the power go out while I was gaming, but the 800VA might not even hold the computer while I game, because the graphic card is one of the most power hungry components.

I believe APC products have better quality than Belkin, but Belkin was cheaper so I got that. Also the battery will most likely be almost useless after a couple of years.
 

d2arcturus

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Originally posted by: Soviet
I saw a UPS once in some hi-tech building. It was a gigantic thing, basically a person sized battery, i got told only buisnesses use them for their servers. I assume you get smaller versions?

Ha you sure it wasn't a hospital's auxilary power source?

Originally posted by: Trikat
Also a small APC 500VA UPS will not hold a gaming system even during a power loss. If you have a decent to a powerful rig atleast invest in an 800VA. I have a Belkin 800VA and I think it can hold my system for maybe 5-10 minutes, but I have never timed it or tested it.
AMD 3200+, K8V SE Del, ATI AIW X800 XT, 4 hard drives, 2gb ram.

Never had the power go out while I was gaming, but the 800VA might not even hold the computer while I game, because the graphic card is one of the most power hungry components.

I believe APC products have better quality than Belkin, but Belkin was cheaper so I got that. Also the battery will most likely be almost useless after a couple of years.

Your UPS just has to provide as many volts as your PSU, then add on a bit for moniter, speakers, stereo, etc.
 

Ricemarine

Lifer
Sep 10, 2004
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hehe... I've never had that happen... Course that's why you turn off your computer during a thunderstorm... I just have a surge supressor
 

Aisengard

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Bad idea. The surge protector grounds the PC. Even if lightning doesn't hit directly, it can still blow out batteries and the like. The surge protector is there to ground the PC, which makes it safer than being unplugged.
 

imported_rod

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Originally posted by: Aisengard
Bad idea. The surge protector grounds the PC. Even if lightning doesn't hit directly, it can still blow out batteries and the like. The surge protector is there to ground the PC, which makes it safer than being unplugged.

It's nothings plugged into the wall, then how can anything be damaged by lightning.

RoD
 

Vegito

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if u got expensive stuff.... i got an apc 1500va for primary, an apc 1000va for my server and 2 belkin 1000 for my secondary pc and my rack with switches..

i can go about 1 hour during black outs..
 

nineball9

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Originally posted by: d2arcturus

Your UPS just has to provide as many volts as your PSU, then add on a bit for moniter, speakers, stereo, etc.

You confused "volts" with "VA" (volt-amps).

A UPS provides the same voltage that comes out of the wall (110-120 V in the US). It does not "add on" voltage and your PSU doesn't even supply the same voltages. My monitor uses 120V, PC 120V, powered subwoofer 120V, printer 120V ... by your logic I would need a UPS that provides at least 480 volts. If I turned off my printer, the UPS output would have to drop 120 volts!

A UPS, or any device which sources electricity for that matter, has a maximum amount of current it can source. For a DC circuit, the power a UPS could supply would simply be Volts * Amps = Watts. However for AC circuits, such as that which comes out of your wall, there is a power factor involved which is the ratio of power consumed to apparent power. With a purely resistive load, the power factor would be 1, but with inductive and capacitive components in the load circuit it is less than 1, so UPs'es are rated in VA.

 

Noriaki

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Jun 3, 2000
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Is there some reason you need a UPS for this rather than just a plain old surge protector?

I realize that a surge protecter will still let them machine lose power from low voltage, but will that hurt electronics?

I thought it was the power surge that often comes right before the loss that damages stuff in these kinds of situations.
 

ProviaFan

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Mar 17, 2001
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I've had an UPS for over a year now, and would never go back! The peace of mind of not having to worry about brownouts during BIOS flashing and many other things is so great (though you still need to save regularly in case your computer crashes - UPSes don't protect against that).
 

ProviaFan

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Originally posted by: Noriaki
Is there some reason you need a UPS for this rather than just a plain old surge protector?

I realize that a surge protecter will still let them machine lose power from low voltage, but will that hurt electronics?

I thought it was the power surge that often comes right before the loss that damages stuff in these kinds of situations.
I've been told that brownouts aren't good for electronics either, but I don't remember why... that's why I'm going to be an EE.

If you use your system only for gaming, then a surge protector may be all you need, but don't diss people who want an UPS either because they worked too freakin hard to get that high score, or maybe because they do Real Work (tm) on their computer.
 

SrGuapo

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Can anyone recommend a decent cheap UPS for me. Really, I would only need a few minutes runtime and some good surge protection. I really don't want to spend more than $100 but the cheaper the better. This is mainly a surge protector, but it would be nice to have time to save and power down, nothing else...
 

Pariah

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Originally posted by: Newfie
Im thinking a surge from the exploding transformer caused the trouble...Im not sure if low voltage can damage a computer...wont it just shut down?

You would think the drop wouldn't do anything, but I can tell you from experience that it can. I was watching a DVD movie when there was just a split second blip in the power in my house that was so short that not even all my equipment shut off, but it still managed to kill my DVD player anyway. It would only show a green screen when I turned it on after that. Luckily for me it was still under warranty so I was able to send it in for repair (at $1500, I wasn't about to toss it out and buy another one). But after that I bought a UPS for all my HT equipment, having already had some for my computers. The DVD player was also connected to a high quality HT line conditioner which did nothing to save it.

The moral, power drops can be just as damaging to electronic equipment as power spikes.
 

Noriaki

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Originally posted by: ProviaFan
...don't diss people who want an UPS either because they worked too freakin hard to get that high score, or maybe because they do Real Work (tm) on their computer.

Not at all, not at all. It was an honest inquiry, I'm just curious if low power is a threat as well as surges. Even if there is no danger from low power spots, I can still see why people would want a UPS, I'd be one of them . This is merely a curiosity about electronics.
 

biostud

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If the PSU has free range voltage 110-220V could it handle such things as brownouts? I remember seeing a test where a Seasonic PSU could handle 90-264V.

 

BFG10K

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The surge protector is there to ground the PC,
No, the surge protector is there to act like a fuse. If you get excessive voltage it dies and breaks the circuit from the wall to the computer, thereby preventing damage.

which makes it safer than being unplugged.
How so? Do you expect lightning to arc out of wall sockets or something?
 

Jeff7

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Buy "a" UPS, now? What if I own three of them? Must I buy another one? Do those owning UPS(es) already still qualify as being under the "moron" banner?
So many profound, sweeping implications here, my head is spinning!!!! Ackthfb!



Anyway, yes, UPSes are nice. One each for my two PCs, and one for my network. Fun side note on my network UPS - as it lacks a Mute button, and it's not connected to a PC, I had to desolder the piezo speaker inside it to silence it. Surgery on electronics is fun, especially when you're going past the "Warning, no user servicable parts inside," or "Danger, hazardous or fatal voltages" warning labels.

The main UPSes are Cyberpower brand, bought from Newegg - 1250AVR and 1100AVR. Both are quite nice. It's handy too that they monitor the incoming voltage - I can quickly tell if there's a mild brownout in progress (this sometimes results in a large air conditioner tripping a breaker, as its current draw increases with lower voltage).
The network UPS is APC brand.


Originally posted by: MDE
UPS = Uninterruptible Power Supply

And to get technical, most consumer-level UPSes are actually SPSes - standby power supplies. These will have a relay that switches to battery power when the unit detects an absense of adequate line voltage. There may be a very slight delay, depending on the quality of the relay. My first UPS, a Tripplite 675VA, would make the monitor blink when it switched to the battery. The quality of the modified sine wave was such that it introduced visual noise on the monitor image. My Cyberpowers do not do this - better relays, and better inverters.
A true UPS will have, for example, a powerful 12VDC power supply, which charges a battery bank, as well as powers an inverter. If the mains go out, the inverter simply starts using the battery bank for its power supply. No switching, as in the SPS, is required. But having a constant-duty inverter, as well as a high-power DC power supply, is expensive, so this design is not used on consumer-level equipment very often.
 

apoppin

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FireFox Bookmarks are notoriously UNstable and prone to loss. . . back them up regularly . . .

i have 2 relatively small UPSes . . . one for my rig and one for my CRT
 

Demo24

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Originally posted by: angstsoldat
you mean PSU ? anyway sounds neat. Btw was your bf 2 cd in when that happened? hopefully it didnt nuke the CD somehow :x



Its bascially a box with a battery in it. It sits seperate of the computer. Its not a special PSU
 

Azsen

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Originally posted by: PerfeKBattlefield 2 refuses to work. I can get it open and browse servers but once I am in one, my keyboard and mouse stop working ingame. I have to ctrl alt del to get back and force the program to close. I uninstalled and reinstalled BF2, changed drivers from 7730 to 7772 but nothing is working. It's not my video card. I can run 3dmark05 just fine still. What could the problem be?
Try a repair of windows from the CD. Or start -> run -> sfc /scannow. Possibly some windows files have been corrupted and the BF2 files as well because you had them open when you were playing. So a reinstall of BF2 would be in order as well.

 

minerman

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A good UPS is more than a surge protector in that it gives you time to shut down your computer in the case of a blackout and not lose data or have it corruppted from a hard shut-down.Most of your better UPS's also monitor your voltage(Constant Voltage Regulation) to protect against brownouts.Low voltage can have all sorts of different effects on electronics, causing from overheating to crashes and lock-ups on a computer.Anyone OC'ing should have a UPS for the stable power provided.
I have a Belkin F6C-120-UNV with Bulldog Power monitoring software on an SLI system and it will maintain system power for 60-80 minutes. It also provides 120V@60hz power continuously, even when it changes from wall to battery power, if it wasn't for the alarm you would not even realize that something was wrong with the power.
A good UPS will also monitor your computer while you're away and will shut it down in the event of power problems.
 
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Yeah, I had a UPS and it was a POS.
It was supposed to have a battery life so I could get my affairs in order before being parted from my system, but that never actually worked. It just becase a surge protector.
 

minerman

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Originally posted by: LoKe
Yeah, I had a UPS and it was a POS.
It was supposed to have a battery life so I could get my affairs in order before being parted from my system, but that never actually worked. It just becase a surge protector.

I can't comment on the POS you had Loke but I can say that the 2 APC's and 1 Belkin, that I have owned have been worth every penny invested. Just in the peace of mind was worth the money spent. And you can't really compare the best surge protector out there to the benefits of a good UPS. The Belkin F6C-120-UNV will give you all the time you need to shut-down or it will do it for you. 60-80 minutes of battery time with a 47% load on the UPS. Load: AMD3800+, Asus A8N-SLI Deluxe, 2GB Corsair,XFX 6800GT,ATI TV Wonder Elite,ATI HDTV Wonder, Audigy 4 Pro,Logitech Z-5500's, 74GB Raptor, 2-160GB SATA Barracudas in RAID 0,Dell 2001FP, Logitech LX700 Keyboard and Mouse, 680 Watt Thermaltake PSU, in a Xaser III case w/14 fans. All of this draws power from the UPS and only loads it up 47%. So with less load you would have the possibility of achieving upwards of 100 minutes of battery power.
 
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