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UaVaj

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The buyer's remorse was mostly about perceived value for my money, and that is the bane of every computer enthusiast.

My cards arrive tomorrow (UPS is so fucking slow I swear!), so I have until then to make a final decision.

you do not have to explain anything. it is your money. spend it as you see fit.

as for your 770s. now that you have additional gpu power at your disposal. try maxing out texture and maxing out AA and see if that increases your measure of value. if so. keep both or add another for trisli. if not. return both and get a 780.
 

lavaheadache

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I don't blame you for having buyers remorse. You went from having the spare no expense king of the hill cards of yesterday to a bang for the buck duo. I say, Go big or go home.
 

blckgrffn

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I don't blame you for having buyers remorse. You went from having the spare no expense king of the hill cards of yesterday to a bang for the buck duo. I say, Go big or go home.

That does mean different things to different people though - for me it means the 3930k, 32GB of ram and the 7950CF setup that I am putting together. To me, at least, that is big because its clear past the point of "need" or even "reasonably useful" and into "buy it because you can" territory.

Next thing we'll be telling him that he should stop at no less than 8 960GB M500 drives in RAID10.

I get your point, but I think a single 770 is "big" @ $450+ and only recently did nvidia and AMD (sorta) reset our expectations of big to BIG.
 

lavaheadache

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My comment was some what Tongue in Cheek but I do believe that the nVidia reset the price points as well. GK110 is the spiritual successor to the 580 even though the 680 is in name and it cost nearly double the latter.


I go video card heavy and CPU med-high. Only got a 3770k, 16gb ram and single SSD for primary. Works good though.
 
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Carfax83

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I don't blame you for having buyers remorse. You went from having the spare no expense king of the hill cards of yesterday to a bang for the buck duo. I say, Go big or go home.

I blame NVidia for hiking the price of the GTX 780 above what is reasonable. I refuse to spend 1300 bucks on video cards. For 1300 bucks, I could put a new front end on my car and get it painted, and still have money left over..

That said, the 770 OC SLI aren't slouches. At 1200+ MHz they are nearly as fast as GTX 780 SLI.
 

Carfax83

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OK, after careful consideration, I've made my decision.

I'm going to keep them. This is why.

First off, these were the other options I was entertaining in my twisted mind:

1) Send the cards back, get a pair of GTX 760s

2) Send the cards back, get a single GTX 780 for now and buy another one when the price drops

The 760s were definitely an attractive offer, especially if you're money conscious. However, as I've said repeatedly, this "remorse" was never about too much money being spent. It was about value for my dollar, which is different.

The 760s would easily have lasted me until next year I wager when Maxwell came out, and it would cost me only a 100 bucks since I sold my GTX 580s for 435. But when I considered it, I decided not to do it because I made a vow a few years ago to never again buy a first generation card after getting burnt from buying two GTX 480s, only to have NVidia release the GTX 580s a few months later which were better in practically every way.. So I will only buy the respins or tweaked cards.. Basically, I would have ended up holding on to the 760s longer than I was willing to do since NVidia will likely release the Maxwell respin in 2015..

Now for the next option.

Sending back the 770s, and getting a single GTX 780 in it's place and overclocking it as high as I can get it to hold me over until AMD releases their next gen cards, or NVidia releases Maxwell which will force a price drop on the 780s, enabling me to buy another one.

I decided not to do this for one simple reason. I don't want to be an "enabler" for NVidia to think it's OK to charge 650 dollars for their flagship GPUs. I've always bought NVidia's highest end GPUs, as they typically cost 500 bucks at launch, which I think is reasonable. However, 650 dollars is to me, unreasonable and I don't want to be party to it.

Can I afford two GTX 780s? Yes I can. Heck, if I was willing to drop 900 bucks on two 770 4GB cards, what's another 400? But the point is, NVidia will now use the successful sales as a precedent to justify hiking up prices even more in the future.....and who can blame them really? They are a business, and if people are willing to pay, then let them pay.. I can't control what other people do with their money, but I sure as hell can control what I do with mine..

Also, I don't think the GTX 780 is "worth" 650 bucks. It's overpriced, much like the Titan, though not nearly as bad. If NVidia had it going for 550 instead of 650, then maybe.....just maybe.

So that leaves the GTX 770 4GB. I think this is the best bang for the buck high end solution out there right now. It's the only card to my knowledge that can reliably approach the GTX 780 (overclocked of course), while costing significantly less. It also has an extra 1GB of high speed VRAM, which will certainly come in handy both now and in the future. While games today may not use all of that VRAM for rendering, many still use it for preloading textures and other game assets.

So basically, I will keep the 770 4GB and probably miss the first iteration of Maxwell and get the respin if I think it's worth it.. Despite what RussianSensation says, these cards will be good for a long time. The next gen consoles will enable higher graphical fidelity games than what we see now, but not radically so. I don't care how close to the metal they can go for optimization, but there is no way in hell they are going to overcome the massive deficit in raw power between the APUs in the consoles and the hardware in a high end PC.
 

lavaheadache

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"I decided not to do it because I made a vow a few years ago to never again buy a first generation card after getting burnt from buying two GTX 480s"- Carfax83

You weren't supposed to touch the cards while they were running ;p
 

2is

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Maybe the guy is just extremely well off and this is a hobby of his. There are people out there who make deep into 6 figure incomes or even higher, and there's nothing that says they can't join a tech forum.
 

blastingcap

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Maybe the guy is just extremely well off and this is a hobby of his. There are people out there who make deep into 6 figure incomes or even higher, and there's nothing that says they can't join a tech forum.

Given that this is one of the geekier TECH forums, I would be SHOCKED if we didn't have a LOT of millionaires here. Many people retired young after cashing out circa 1999, for instance, and even "regular" hardware and software engineers in Silicon Valley can make six figures starting salary.
 

Ajay

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Given that this is one of the geekier TECH forums, I would be SHOCKED if we didn't have a LOT of millionaires here. Many people retired young after cashing out circa 1999, for instance, and even "regular" hardware and software engineers in Silicon Valley can make six figures starting salary.

True, I was just curious. Our ASIC designers were making easy six figure salaries in the mid 1990's on the right coast.

Maybe the guy is just extremely well off and this is a hobby of his. There are people out there who make deep into 6 figure incomes or even higher, and there's nothing that says they can't join a tech forum.

Yeah, I started getting lots of headhunter calls in the late 90's, glad I didn't take them since most didn't work out and those 100,000 shares @ 50 cents/share + a few bucks would buy a nice cup of Starbucks
Did know one guy for whom it worked out well, about 3 years work and a $2M cash prize (company was bought out b/4 going public)
 

Carfax83

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OK guys, I have both cards installed. Before I booted into Windows, I made sure the PCI-E slots both cards are in were set to Gen 3, rather than Gen 2 like I had with my 580s.

I opened up Nvidia inspector and saw that it was reporting my cards were running at PCI-E 3.0 bus speed:



And now for GPU-Z:



So what on Earth is going on? Which one is accurate?
 

Ajay

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OK guys, I have both cards installed. Before I booted into Windows, I made sure the PCI-E slots both cards are in were set to Gen 3, rather than Gen 2 like I had with my 580s.

I opened up Nvidia inspector and saw that it was reporting my cards were running at PCI-E 3.0 bus speed:



And now for GPU-Z:



So what on Earth is going on? Which one is accurate?

I thought one had to put a load on the card to get the right number from GPU-Z
 

guskline

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Carfax83: You now have a "Texas-sized" rig No worry about running out of Vram or horsepower.

I'm impressed. If you can't run any game well on what you've got I'm in serious doo doo:biggrin:

Have fun my friend. What part of Texas?

My son-in-law, daughter and grandson live in San Antonio
 
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Carfax83

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Carfax83: You now have a "Texas-sized" rig No worry about running out of Vram or horsepower.

I'm impressed. If you can't run any game well on what you've got I'm in serious doo doo:biggrin:

I must admit I'm enjoying the performance increase over my 580s. :biggrin: And the cards overclock very well. 1267 MHz boost clock in Crysis 3 at 2560x1440 Very high settings SMAAx2 is buttery smooth, where as if I tried to play with these settings on my GTX 580s before, it was extremely laggy..

Have fun my friend. What part of Texas?

My son-in-law, daughter and grandson live in San Antonio

I live in Missouri City, right outside of Houston.
 

Remobz

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I must admit I'm enjoying the performance increase over my 580s. :biggrin: And the cards overclock very well. 1267 MHz boost clock in Crysis 3 at 2560x1440 Very high settings SMAAx2 is buttery smooth, where as if I tried to play with these settings on my GTX 580s before, it was extremely laggy..



I live in Missouri City, right outside of Houston.

Is Missouri City as bad as Houston is?

I absolutely despise Houston!!!
 

UaVaj

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I must admit I'm enjoying the performance increase over my 580s. :biggrin: And the cards overclock very well. 1267 MHz boost clock in Crysis 3 at 2560x1440 Very high settings SMAAx2 is buttery smooth, where as if I tried to play with these settings on my GTX 580s before, it was extremely laggy..

looks like you enjoying the new power already. good for you.
 

Carfax83

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Is Missouri City as bad as Houston is?

I absolutely despise Houston!!!

No, it's much nicer. It's in Fort Bend County, which is one of the nicest places to live in the U.S..

Houston can be nice, but it depends on where you live..

looks like you enjoying the new power already. good for you.

Yeah I suppose I am. I wish they had a game like the Witcher 3 coming out this year rather than next year though. I want to see how it handles a true next gen game..
 

escrow4

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The remorse I'm experiencing is wondering whether I should bother upgrading to IVB-E or Haswell-E. Next gen consoles have poky tablet CPU's, and even with the Haswell IPC improvements, meh, 6 cores are 6 cores, even if they are elderly Sandy Bridge . . . . . hmmmm.
 

Carfax83

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The remorse I'm experiencing is wondering whether I should bother upgrading to IVB-E or Haswell-E. Next gen consoles have poky tablet CPU's, and even with the Haswell IPC improvements, meh, 6 cores are 6 cores, even if they are elderly Sandy Bridge . . . . . hmmmm.

Haswell-E I think will have a minimum of 8 cores.
 

Elfear

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So that leaves the GTX 770 4GB. I think this is the best bang for the buck high end solution out there right now. It's the only card to my knowledge that can reliably approach the GTX 780 (overclocked of course), while costing significantly less.

According to 3dCenter's Performance Index (compilation of 6-10 reviews) here's the performance breakout at 1080p 4xAA in relation to how much faster the 780 is than the following cards:

770 - 16% faster
7970GHz - 13% faster
680 - 22% faster
670 - 33% faster
7950 Boost - 38% faster

The top two could overclock to match a stock 780 but it would have to be a pretty good overclock (~1200Mhz for the 7970 and ~1350Mhz for the 770). A 680 with an uber oc would get within spitting distance. The 670 and 7950 would both need amazing chips to get in the same neighborhood as a 780 and that is assuming near linear performance increases.

Congrats on the cards by the way. Sounds like you're enjoying them.
 
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