buying an AR

[Texashiker]

DI is still the way to go if you're talking really, really cold environments

The Canadians and Norwegians have both been having issues with Colt C8s and the new HK416s in sub zero temps, both piston based designs.

You should stop making blanket statements, like in your first post. If a certain brand of rifle was having issues, then say so.

Just because colt and h&k are having issues, does not mean pistons do not work in cold weather.

 

[JDMnAR1]

If your goal is to spend as much of the $2,000 as you can on a single rifle only, I would seriously look at the LaRue OBR 5.56 (http://larueosr.com/obr556.aspx).

 

[spidey07]

Only in OT could a gentlemen look to purchase a fine quality rifle could it divulge into piston vs. gas designs.

OP - get this. .308.
http://www.lewismachine.net/product.php?p=204&cid=12&session=d04370bc37fae186aec101b72f8d2ff0

 

[JDMnAR1]

Only in OT could a gentlemen look to purchase a fine quality rifle could it divulge into piston vs. gas designs.

OP - get this. .308.
http://www.lewismachine.net/product.php?p=204&cid=12&session=d04370bc37fae186aec101b72f8d2ff0

Fixed link: http://www.lewismachine.net/product.php?p=204

Agree on the piston vs. DI debate, but then every gun thread on here always takes some sort of tangent that isn't germane to the OP. Guess you missed the "I have $2,000 to spend".* If OP wants to toss some of his own coin in on the purchase, then forget the OBR 5.56 and go ahead with the big dog original OBR - http://larueosr.com/OBR.aspx. Service and support is pretty much top notch with LaRue, and the proof targets I have seen on the OBRs are pretty much phenomenal.


ETA: *Disclaimer - once the thread devolved into discussion of DI vs piston and which brand is better for a $1000 rifle I just skimmed, so if OP said he would add to the total, you have my apologies.

 

[Broheim]

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The Canadians and Norwegians have both been having issues with Colt C8s and the new HK416s in sub zero temps, both piston based designs.

I never had a an issue with the C7 after several days in the snow.

 

[kage69]

That's incorrect. Ask the question in one of the suppressor forums on ar15.com and watch what happens.

People can argue about whether piston or di is better in general on the AR platform. However it's a fact that running a piston system is going to cleaner, even with a suppressor. I saw a 416 used after a carbine course with a suppressor that was crazy dirty, but it would be much worse with di.

First, you'll have to excuse me for not being convinced by your speculation on the consensus of feedback regarding a site like ar15.com. I haven't visited that place for a long time, the indignant fanboi scene there just doesn't do it for me. As I don't own any suppressors of my own, I tend to listen to those who have personal and professional experience with them, in my case a pair of gunsmiths, both ex-Army. They could be wrong, I freely admit this (both are salty bastards who resent new things) but they have a pretty solid record with me and (no offense) that counts more than what you speculate could have happened.

Regardless, I'm not engaging in the 'X is better than Y' argument here. I responded to posts with what I had heard from reputable sources. YMMV, and I'm ok with that. Kinda why I typed " Like always though, to each his own. "

 

[amddude]

I never had a an issue with the C7 after several days in the snow.

C7 isn't a piston weapon, it's an AR variant.

 

[amddude]

First, you'll have to excuse me for not being convinced by your speculation on the consensus of feedback regarding a site like ar15.com. I haven't visited that place for a long time, the indignant fanboi scene there just doesn't do it for me. As I don't own any suppressors of my own, I tend to listen to those who have personal and professional experience with them, in my case a pair of gunsmiths, both ex-Army. They could be wrong, I freely admit this (both are salty bastards who resent new things) but they have a pretty solid record with me and (no offense) that counts more than what you speculate could have happened.

Regardless, I'm not engaging in the 'X is better than Y' argument here. I responded to posts with what I had heard from reputable sources. YMMV, and I'm ok with that. Kinda why I typed " Like always though, to each his own. "

http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=3&f=126&t=466656

 

[kage69]

You should stop making blanket statements, like in your first post. If a certain brand of rifle was having issues, then say so.

Just because colt and h&k are having issues, does not mean pistons do not work in cold weather.

Let me get this straight - you take issue with what I said, and bring up AKs and FALs in a thread specifically about ARs, and I'm the one making blanket statements?

"...Reliable, regardless of where they are used" is what you ended on, yet I'm the making the blanket statements?

Wtf did I say piston rifles don't work in the cold? I heard there were issues in the arctic (you know where it's really, really cold - kinda like...Canada..or Norway) You're in Texas, I'm in Maine. Guess our concepts of cold are a little different.


lol, ok I think we're done here... you should go take a hike. Or a nap.

 

[kage69]

Norway's 416 have something special about them that isn't on the standard model. I also read on the firearm blog when the story first came out that it was only a single rifle in one company.

There's just too much piston hate out there in the black rifle community. It overrides reason. lol

That wouldn't surprise me, seems everyone likes to tweak imports to make them more, unique? First I've heard of the single rifle story though.

I agree, lots of Stoner fans out there who consider the piston system a crude perversion of what the AR was originally. I had one guy at trade show swear to me that a piston system raised the weight by 2-3lbs, which ruined it for duty. A local gun store owner near me thinks pistons "only belong in Russian junk" and then will usually go on to say how only 'special expensive ammo' can be accurate in a piston based rifle.

Months ago I hit the fury jackpot there when I asked him for a quote on that SR-556, apparently he's a real fan of Bill Ruger. Sooooooo wish I could have candid camera'ed that.

 

[Texashiker]

lol, ok I think we're done here... you should go take a hike. Or a nap.

I think we should agree that we disagree and move forward on the original topic.

OP, I have a buddy of mine (best friends since around 1979) who bought a Ruger 556, and he loves it. This buddy of mine was also in the 82nd airborne during the first Persian gulf conflict and saw action in panama. If he says he likes a rifle, I personally take his word for it.

My next rifle will either be a Ruger 556 or a DS Arms. DS Arms offers a lifetime warranty on their rifles, but I would like to have a piston system instead of DI.

The day I turned 18, which was in 1986, I bought myself a Ruger 10/22. Besides the 10/22, I have owned a mini-14, mini-30, ruger P90 and ruger P91. From my experience Ruger makes an outstanding product.

 

[boomhower]

Folks, before you spend a bunch of money on a rifle do some research and see what your getting. Sig(556 is particular, 516 is ok), DSARMS, Ruger(still way to new for that kind of money, many issues so far), Bushmaster(good back in the day, now not so mcuh) are all essentially junk. You can get much better rifles for your money.

For 2K,
Larue OBR http://larueosr.com/lt556-16.aspx
Damn good barrel, nicest battle trigger you can buy, billet upper and lower, magpul stock, nice rail, other accessories are excellent. Best DI gun for 2K IMHO. Noveske is nice but you have to spend a touch more than 2K and you still won't get that wonderful trigger.

For piston,
LWRC M6A2 http://grabagun.com/long-guns/ar/lwrc-m6a2-556nato-16-rail-piston-30r.html
LWRC is the place to go to get piston rifles. They do the piston right. So much so that Sig completely ripped it off for the 516 and is getting sued for it. The barrels are nitride treated and BCG are NiB treated, as well as the FCG. Nice rifles for 2K.

Personally I think piston AR's is a solution in search of a problem. DI works well, just don't be lazy and clean your gun every now and again.

If you sped $1200 on a piston rifle your just shitting yourself. Your getting a low rung piston rifle when you could have gotten a quality DI rifle that will provide years of troublefree service. For $1k you can get a Colt SP6920 which is dead nuts reliable and as high a quality gun as you can get for any price. Sure, it doesn't come with any tacticool accessories but you have a quality base to build off of. Myself, I am a Daniel Defense guy. A bit more money than Colt but the addons are worth much more.

Bottom line, do some research and know what you are buying before you drop north of $1k on a piece of shit.

 

[CVSiN]

While you're at academy, check out the 223 monarch ammo. The academy in port arthur texas has it on sale for $4.99 for a box of 20. Regular price is $5.99. These are the small boxes that are about 2 inches square.

I bought 6 boxes last weekend.




Too bad, they should have thought about that before they snubbed their noses at the American public.




I had a pre-ban colt, and I could not tell any real difference between the colt and my bushmaster.

Well that's because the BM and the Colt are arguably the 2 best ARs on the entire market..
the only 2 I'd ever own..

I'd much rather have the Colt as they built the M4 I learned to trust in the Military.

 

[boomhower]

Well that's because the BM and the Colt are arguably the 2 best ARs on the entire market..
the only 2 I'd ever own..

I'd much rather have the Colt as they built the M4 I learned to trust in the Military.

Whoever argues that BM is one of the best AR's on the market doesn't know what the hell they are talking about.

 

[GuitarDaddy]

OP's obviously not serious as he never returned to the thread and explained his requirements

 

[BreastInspector]

OK I'm planning to buy an AR and is planning to spend up to 2K to buy one that comes fully assembled. I'm not interested in buying parts and assemble them myself to save money or whatever (this money was given enough to buy an AR up to that amount so I want to spend as much of it as I can. I'm not ALLOWED to buy any accessories with that cash. Weird rule I know but I get to have an AR for free so who cares )

I'm comfortable with handguns but never owned an AR before so was thinking to pick this up:
http://www.impactguns.com/colt-m4-carbine-6920-ar15-16in-6920.aspx

any suggestions on a more reliable, easier to operate and maintain than that?

If you want a 6920, message me - I can beat that price.

 

[Nebor]

No one's mentioned Wilson Combat ARs either. They're in the OP's price range. I bought one at the same time that I bought one of their 1911s. The AR is far more impressive than the 1911, but not really discernibly better than my old pre-ban Colt.

 

[nick1985]

Well that's because the BM and the Colt are arguably the 2 best ARs on the entire market..
the only 2 I'd ever own..

I'd much rather have the Colt as they built the M4 I learned to trust in the Military.

LOL, Bushmaster among the 2 best AR's on the market?!?!

Thanks for the laugh!

 

[spidey07]

OP's obviously not serious as he never returned to the thread and explained his requirements

I believe all can be met in the video Olds posted.

OP - I'm not slamming you, just it's so fitting to the discussions in this thread from other posters.

 

[Texashiker]

LOL, Bushmaster among the 2 best AR's on the market?!?!

Thanks for the laugh!

Troll, troll, troll your boat.


http://www.bushmaster.com/community-military-index.asp

Please tell us what you know that the Texas Department of Public Safety, and dozens of military's all over the world does not know.

 

[nick1985]

Troll, troll, troll your boat.

I bought my bushmaster from a local SWAT team member. The SWAT members have to buy their own firearms (small town that does not have money to buy weapons for everyone), the guy needed some money to start a side business, so I bought the rifle.

Please tell us what you know that the Texas Department of Public Safety and the local SWAT team does not.

Its not trolling. I dont feel like debating you, because there is no point in debating you on anything. Be it circumcision, credit cards, or rifles...no point.

And just because some cops in Texas bought Bushmasters, does NOT make them a top tier brand. They are widely considered low end to the majority of the AR community, and for good reasons. I could lay out these reasons for you, but like I just stated, theres no point. You are tunnel visioned in your beliefs and views and no amount of evidence would ever change your mind on anything.

I think I'll save my breath.

 

[Texashiker]

They are widely considered low end to the majority of the AR community, and for good reasons.

Have you ever fired a bushmaster rifle?

Have you ever striped a bushmaster rifle down and cleaned it?

The basic bushmaster rifle cost less then $1,000. People have to find a way to justify spending $1,200 - $2,000 on a rifle. A lot of people in the ar community have a price tag mentality, if it cost more then it must "magically" be better then less expensive rifles.

My bushmaster rifle is at least 10 years old, and has given me 0 problems. Not a single misfire or jam and running the cheapest ammo I can find.

I owned a colt, and I current own a bushmaster. I can not justify the price difference between the 2 rifles.

 

[brainhulk]

 

[olds]

Troll, troll, troll your boat.


http://www.bushmaster.com/community-military-index.asp

Please tell us what you know that the Texas Department of Public Safety, and dozens of military's all over the world does not know.

Because they buy "low bid"?

 

[nick1985]

Have you ever fired a bushmaster rifle?

Have you ever striped a bushmaster rifle down and cleaned it?

The basic bushmaster rifle cost less then $1,000. People have to find a way to justify spending $1,200 - $2,000 on a rifle. A lot of people in the ar community have a price tag mentality, if it cost more then it must "magically" be better then less expensive rifles.

My bushmaster rifle is at least 10 years old, and has given me 0 problems. Not a single misfire or jam and running the cheapest ammo I can find.

I owned a colt, and I current own a bushmaster. I can not justify the price difference between the 2 rifles.

Yes.

Yes.


Its not about the cost. There are several rifles that are sub-$1000 that are no considered shit, like Bushmaster is. Stag, S&W(some models), are just a couple of examples.

If you think the AR community widely regards Bushmaster as shit just because of the price, you are mistaken.