Originally posted by: RBachman
You're all entirely missing the point. It's the attitude that you simply can't survive without that Sword of Uberity that's the root of the problem; a sense of entitlement which didn't before exist in the genre but which the morons brought to it. You can do just fine with what's available to you at the amount of time you play and at the level of your character; in fact it lends to the sense of immersion, which happens to be one of the things I miss most about this now-dead genre. Further, if you have half a brain you can take 10 minutes a day to play the market for a small flow of money which will cover any costs you come across and maybe even buy you that Sword of Uberity you drool over so much if you're decent with prices.
"You take the game too seriously" coming from someone who has no problem dropping real cash on game money? :laugh:Originally posted by: Looney
LOL looks like somebody has issues. You're the type of people that make me concern with MMO players. The people who take the game so seriously, who put so much of their identity into the game, that the accomplishments in the game seem so real to you. So if you see others who aren't doing the same accomplishments as you, you freak out. Case in point, you get to make a single wish to can change anything in this universe, and you choose it to affect a game?
You can't buy skill, by the way. I see a lot of obvious ebayers running around in this game without a clue what they're doing and just have to laugh at them, and kill them if they're opposing faction. As do most others who don't cheat.
Originally posted by: fishbits
I'll ask this, then TRY to refrain from spamming the thread further: How many people who are adamant that buying gold is wrong have played sugar-daddy to their own lowbie alt? You know, giving them gold/gear above what they've been able to earn for themselves at that stage in the game.
I don't see the big issue, if people are willing to pay for it, there is no problem. If companies were really against it, they would sue IGE into the ground and ban farmers once they were discovered, both of which is not happening.
Originally posted by: RBachman
Originally posted by: makoto00
Originally posted by: RBachman
If I found a magic lamp and a genie popped out & granted me only one wish... I wouldn't wish for the demise of GWB, I wouldn't wish for Jessica Alba naked in bed, I wouldn't wish for a billion dollars. No, I'd wish for everyone who's ever bought MMOG money to be unable to play MMOGs again, and for anyone who does it to instantly suffer this fate (I was initially thinking death, but hey, someone needs to serve me food at Wendy's, fill my gas tank on those cold winter days, etc... better to keep them around I guess). Perhaps the genre could once again be fun without these morons and the industry which has cropped up to feed them.
Somehow I doubt anyone buying fake online currency will be working at menial jobs.
Who else would have the low mental capacity required?
There's absolutely no reason you'd ever need to farm gold for 20 hours a week.Originally posted by: Looney
Um i drop cash to BUY the game... i spend 20 hrs in the game a week when i could be doing other things. What's the difference? I'm paying for entertainment. Unlike some people, $50 worth of ingame currency is absolutely nothing to me. I spend $50 on most games, and the VAST VAST majority of games before MMOs came along kept my attention for far less than 20 hrs.
A common misconception from people who lack skill I'll let the fact you actually said "LOLOL" speak for itself. Ur 2 wut b plz, and all that jazzLOLOL skills. That's what people like you who put so much importance in these games always say. MMO doesn't require much skill. The reason why somebody who is maxed level versus somebody who is level 20 is simply TIME. Now, some people may require more time to reach maxed level, but these games require very little skill. The people who are in the most 'uber' guild on the server aren't simply 'uber' because they're the best players... they're the ones willing to devote the most time to the game. It doesn't take much to cast a heal, hit attack, go behind a mob to strike, cast a spell, etc.
Originally posted by: DPmaster
Originally posted by: RBachman
Originally posted by: makoto00
Originally posted by: RBachman
If I found a magic lamp and a genie popped out & granted me only one wish... I wouldn't wish for the demise of GWB, I wouldn't wish for Jessica Alba naked in bed, I wouldn't wish for a billion dollars. No, I'd wish for everyone who's ever bought MMOG money to be unable to play MMOGs again, and for anyone who does it to instantly suffer this fate (I was initially thinking death, but hey, someone needs to serve me food at Wendy's, fill my gas tank on those cold winter days, etc... better to keep them around I guess). Perhaps the genre could once again be fun without these morons and the industry which has cropped up to feed them.
Somehow I doubt anyone buying fake online currency will be working at menial jobs.
Who else would have the low mental capacity required?
We used to have a doctor in our WoW guild that bought online currency. MASSIVE amounts of currency. He just never really had the time to go out and farm money. What time he had , he considered precious and wanted to play the game rather collecting gold. Didn't really matter to him...he was making a six-figure salary, spending just one day's income meant he had an endless amount of gold.
Originally posted by: RBachman
There's absolutely no reason you'd ever need to farm gold for 20 hours a week.Originally posted by: Looney
Um i drop cash to BUY the game... i spend 20 hrs in the game a week when i could be doing other things. What's the difference? I'm paying for entertainment. Unlike some people, $50 worth of ingame currency is absolutely nothing to me. I spend $50 on most games, and the VAST VAST majority of games before MMOs came along kept my attention for far less than 20 hrs.
A common misconception from people who lack skill I'll let the fact you actually said "LOLOL" speak for itself. Ur 2 wut b plz, and all that jazzLOLOL skills. That's what people like you who put so much importance in these games always say. MMO doesn't require much skill. The reason why somebody who is maxed level versus somebody who is level 20 is simply TIME. Now, some people may require more time to reach maxed level, but these games require very little skill. The people who are in the most 'uber' guild on the server aren't simply 'uber' because they're the best players... they're the ones willing to devote the most time to the game. It doesn't take much to cast a heal, hit attack, go behind a mob to strike, cast a spell, etc.
Originally posted by: RBachman
There's absolutely no reason you'd ever need to farm gold for 20 hours a week.Originally posted by: Looney
Um i drop cash to BUY the game... i spend 20 hrs in the game a week when i could be doing other things. What's the difference? I'm paying for entertainment. Unlike some people, $50 worth of ingame currency is absolutely nothing to me. I spend $50 on most games, and the VAST VAST majority of games before MMOs came along kept my attention for far less than 20 hrs.
A common misconception from people who lack skill I'll let the fact you actually said "LOLOL" speak for itself. Ur 2 wut b plz, and all that jazzLOLOL skills. That's what people like you who put so much importance in these games always say. MMO doesn't require much skill. The reason why somebody who is maxed level versus somebody who is level 20 is simply TIME. Now, some people may require more time to reach maxed level, but these games require very little skill. The people who are in the most 'uber' guild on the server aren't simply 'uber' because they're the best players... they're the ones willing to devote the most time to the game. It doesn't take much to cast a heal, hit attack, go behind a mob to strike, cast a spell, etc.
Originally posted by: RBachman
Originally posted by: DPmaster
Originally posted by: RBachman
Originally posted by: makoto00
Originally posted by: RBachman
If I found a magic lamp and a genie popped out & granted me only one wish... I wouldn't wish for the demise of GWB, I wouldn't wish for Jessica Alba naked in bed, I wouldn't wish for a billion dollars. No, I'd wish for everyone who's ever bought MMOG money to be unable to play MMOGs again, and for anyone who does it to instantly suffer this fate (I was initially thinking death, but hey, someone needs to serve me food at Wendy's, fill my gas tank on those cold winter days, etc... better to keep them around I guess). Perhaps the genre could once again be fun without these morons and the industry which has cropped up to feed them.
Somehow I doubt anyone buying fake online currency will be working at menial jobs.
Who else would have the low mental capacity required?
We used to have a doctor in our WoW guild that bought online currency. MASSIVE amounts of currency. He just never really had the time to go out and farm money. What time he had , he considered precious and wanted to play the game rather collecting gold. Didn't really matter to him...he was making a six-figure salary, spending just one day's income meant he had an endless amount of gold.
Yeah, I'm sure there are some geniuses working at fast food restaurants as well. When talking about millions of people though, generalizations must be made; trends noted. Anomalies are only so visible in the first place because they differ from the norm.
Originally posted by: Looney
Huh? Who said anything about farming gold for 20 hrs a week.
Ah, you can tell when somebody lacks the ability to argue... they start using age as a form of authority, and focus in the grammar and spelling of the posts rather than the content. And here we have you doing both. :thumbsup:
Originally posted by: Looney
Originally posted by: RBachman
Originally posted by: DPmaster
Originally posted by: RBachman
Originally posted by: makoto00
Originally posted by: RBachman
If I found a magic lamp and a genie popped out & granted me only one wish... I wouldn't wish for the demise of GWB, I wouldn't wish for Jessica Alba naked in bed, I wouldn't wish for a billion dollars. No, I'd wish for everyone who's ever bought MMOG money to be unable to play MMOGs again, and for anyone who does it to instantly suffer this fate (I was initially thinking death, but hey, someone needs to serve me food at Wendy's, fill my gas tank on those cold winter days, etc... better to keep them around I guess). Perhaps the genre could once again be fun without these morons and the industry which has cropped up to feed them.
Somehow I doubt anyone buying fake online currency will be working at menial jobs.
Who else would have the low mental capacity required?
We used to have a doctor in our WoW guild that bought online currency. MASSIVE amounts of currency. He just never really had the time to go out and farm money. What time he had , he considered precious and wanted to play the game rather collecting gold. Didn't really matter to him...he was making a six-figure salary, spending just one day's income meant he had an endless amount of gold.
Yeah, I'm sure there are some geniuses working at fast food restaurants as well. When talking about millions of people though, generalizations must be made; trends noted. Anomalies are only so visible in the first place because they differ from the norm.
And how do you know these are fast food workers spending their money on this? From my experience, which is selling well over $10k worth of stuff over the years, the vast majority of them came from housewives actually (but i played EQ, where the demographic was older than WoW). My first sale ever actually, was my wizard for $1500, and that was to an Associate Professor at Berkley.
Just take a second and think... who would have money to spend on ingame stuff but people with money. You're just not willing to think, because like i said... you put so much of your identity into these games, that you have to see these people as degenerates. You can't accept that these people are probably better than you in life, and can afford to play these games this way. You need to feel superior to them, because your real life lacks these sense of accomplishments. And if people who are 'buying' their achievements, they're screwing you in your new worldI've seen it before... you aren't the first, and you won't be the last.much like they did in the real word.
Originally posted by: kevinthenerd
Originally posted by: RBachman
There's absolutely no reason you'd ever need to farm gold for 20 hours a week.Originally posted by: Looney
Um i drop cash to BUY the game... i spend 20 hrs in the game a week when i could be doing other things. What's the difference? I'm paying for entertainment. Unlike some people, $50 worth of ingame currency is absolutely nothing to me. I spend $50 on most games, and the VAST VAST majority of games before MMOs came along kept my attention for far less than 20 hrs.
A common misconception from people who lack skill I'll let the fact you actually said "LOLOL" speak for itself. Ur 2 wut b plz, and all that jazzLOLOL skills. That's what people like you who put so much importance in these games always say. MMO doesn't require much skill. The reason why somebody who is maxed level versus somebody who is level 20 is simply TIME. Now, some people may require more time to reach maxed level, but these games require very little skill. The people who are in the most 'uber' guild on the server aren't simply 'uber' because they're the best players... they're the ones willing to devote the most time to the game. It doesn't take much to cast a heal, hit attack, go behind a mob to strike, cast a spell, etc.
I speak from more Diablo II experience than I wish I had...
I'll agree that time alone can make a very good character. Skill only changes that time, but with enough time, anybody can get a good character. When you get to the VERY top and you're max level, skill is all you have left going for you. Two lvl 99 characters are differentiated only by skill.
Originally posted by: RBachman
Originally posted by: Looney
Huh? Who said anything about farming gold for 20 hrs a week.
Ah, you can tell when somebody lacks the ability to argue... they start using age as a form of authority, and focus in the grammar and spelling of the posts rather than the content. And here we have you doing both. :thumbsup:
It's just hard to take someone seriously when they type like a 5 year old. The only basis we have for forming an impression of others on internet forums is the way we type... and some children shoot themselves in the foot by trying "2 b k3wl" like a braindead AOLer.
As far as skill is concerned... that's for me to know and you to ... well, judging by your posts, it's for you to attempt to purchase on ebay. Consider this; I legitimately made enough gold to buy my epic mount with enough left over to buy the cards to put together a maelstrom trinket in under 3 hours /played. That's just an example, and one specific to market skill. But all I did was press buttons
My real life financial situation is quite comfortable, likely moreso than ~95% of forum-goers here - not to gloat, but if you're going to call it into question I'll certainly defend myself. The old saying about making assumptions doesn't hold true here; you're only making an ass out of yourselfOriginally posted by: Looney
And how do you know these are fast food workers spending their money on this? From my experience, which is selling well over $10k worth of stuff over the years, the vast majority of them came from housewives actually (but i played EQ, where the demographic was older than WoW). My first sale ever actually, was my wizard for $1500, and that was to an Associate Professor at Berkley.
Just take a second and think... who would have money to spend on ingame stuff but people with money. You're just not willing to think, because like i said... you put so much of your identity into these games, that you have to see these people as degenerates. You can't accept that these people are probably better than you in life, and can afford to play these games this way. You need to feel superior to them, because your real life lacks these sense of accomplishments. And if people who are 'buying' their achievements, they're screwing you in your new world much like they did in the real word. I've seen it before... you aren't the first, and you won't be the last.
Originally posted by: RBachman
If I found a magic lamp and a genie popped out & granted me only one wish... I wouldn't wish for the demise of GWB, I wouldn't wish for Jessica Alba naked in bed, I wouldn't wish for a billion dollars. No, I'd wish for everyone who's ever bought MMOG money to be unable to play MMOGs again, and for anyone who does it to instantly suffer this fate (I was initially thinking death, but hey, someone needs to serve me food at Wendy's, fill my gas tank on those cold winter days, etc... better to keep them around I guess). Perhaps the genre could once again be fun without these morons and the industry which has cropped up to feed them.
Originally posted by: RBachman
My real life financial situation is quite comfortable, likely moreso than ~95% of forum-goers here - not to gloat, but if you're going to call it into question I'll certainly defend myself. The old saying about making assumptions doesn't hold true here; you're only making an ass out of yourselfOriginally posted by: Looney
And how do you know these are fast food workers spending their money on this? From my experience, which is selling well over $10k worth of stuff over the years, the vast majority of them came from housewives actually (but i played EQ, where the demographic was older than WoW). My first sale ever actually, was my wizard for $1500, and that was to an Associate Professor at Berkley.
Just take a second and think... who would have money to spend on ingame stuff but people with money. You're just not willing to think, because like i said... you put so much of your identity into these games, that you have to see these people as degenerates. You can't accept that these people are probably better than you in life, and can afford to play these games this way. You need to feel superior to them, because your real life lacks these sense of accomplishments. And if people who are 'buying' their achievements, they're screwing you in your new world much like they did in the real word. I've seen it before... you aren't the first, and you won't be the last.
Again, the only ones taking the game too seriously are those spending real cash on items or game money. Those for whom it's so important to be perceived as skillful in a game that they attempt to purchase said skill, or at least gear which will help make up for the lack thereof.
Again, I've seen what the emergence of this market on a large scale has done to MMORPGs, which has essentially been to kill them and greatly harm my enjoyment of them.
Repeating myself is growing quite tiresome. I'm not going to do so anymore, thus I ask that before you continue to make it painfully obvious that you can't be bothered reading the thread, you please fully read my posts if you plan to reply to them. Maybe even two or three times so they really sink in. Use dictionary.com for the big words if needed.
As for gold buyers, logic dictates that the same impatience, sense of entitlement, inability to plan ahead and unwillingness to consider the consequences which leads to buying gold would also lead to poor life choices, which are in turn likely to lead to a lackluster career. You said it yourself; many of your sales in EQ were to housewives; parasitic leeches spending other peoples' money.
Originally posted by: BreadFan
Originally posted by: RBachman
If I found a magic lamp and a genie popped out & granted me only one wish... I wouldn't wish for the demise of GWB, I wouldn't wish for Jessica Alba naked in bed, I wouldn't wish for a billion dollars. No, I'd wish for everyone who's ever bought MMOG money to be unable to play MMOGs again, and for anyone who does it to instantly suffer this fate (I was initially thinking death, but hey, someone needs to serve me food at Wendy's, fill my gas tank on those cold winter days, etc... better to keep them around I guess). Perhaps the genre could once again be fun without these morons and the industry which has cropped up to feed them.
Am I the only person that notices the problem with his statement I put in bold above? If I had said lamp, I wouldn't even be thinking about MMORPG's, I would definitely be wishing for Ms. Alba naked in bed. Someone has MMORPG issues or something!
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Buying gold in MMORPGs == Using AimBots and Wallhacks in FPSs
Lame.
Quoted for idiocy. As an aside, if you wouldn't mind sharing your secrets - how did you manage to get around the AOL IP ban which Anandtech has in place?Originally posted by: Looney
LOL i'm the one making assumptions here? LOLOL i guess it's ok if you make assumptions of other people, but when it comes to you, i'm just making an ass of myself? LOLOL
*sigh* I even linked you to dictionary.com. Emergence =/= emergency. You are an idiot. You should argue at forums that are a bit more your speed... try harrypotter.com or mtv.com. You'll enjoy being among your kind.You haven't seen squat. MMO gold selling has gone on since UO time... hell, even before that in MUDs. So this 'emergency of this market' you speak of, has been around since Day 1. Just because you're new to MMOs, doesn't mean this issue is new.Again, I've seen what the emergence of this market on a large scale has done to MMORPGs, which has essentially been to kill them and greatly harm my enjoyment of them.
Originally posted by: RBachman
Quoted for idiocy. As an aside, if you wouldn't mind sharing your secrets - how did you manage to get around the AOL IP ban which Anandtech has in place?Originally posted by: Looney
LOL i'm the one making assumptions here? LOLOL i guess it's ok if you make assumptions of other people, but when it comes to you, i'm just making an ass of myself? LOLOL
*sigh* I even linked you to dictionary.com. Emergence =/= emergency. You are an idiot. You should argue at forums that are a bit more your speed... try harrypotter.com or mtv.com. You'll enjoy being among your kind.
Since you're still attempting to make points I've gone over and refuted, I have to assume that you're not going to follow my advice and read my posts. Thus we are done... and.. wow, you really are an idiot. It's not surprising you have to buy currency in MMORPGs.
Happy hunting!