Bye bye Firefox

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: archcommus

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: archcommus
I don't visit such sites so I don't ever investigate that. And even if I did visit that kind of site by chance, I wouldn't know it was malicious until I was already there and already got infected, in which case I would just proceed to clean.

Ok, so in your very limited view of the world wide web, you have no need for any browser except IE. That's all well and good, but it doesn't affect my point that is there currently no browser that is perfect for everything on the world wide web (my first statement being a bit off, but this sums it up a bit better).

Originally posted by: CP5670
LOL wow that's definitely something I would not tolerate in ANY piece of software, let alone something that I use every day like a browser. I can't believe people call FF the best thing ever when it has unacceptable quirks like that.

Generally firefox does not delete bookmarks or settings. It just gets confused about your profile and creates a new one. The fixes are simple and well known.

And I would bet a majority of users never experience these issues, much like most IE users probably never experience many of its quirks.

<- Not defending any browser, they all still suck.

Good points, I'm sure that's not a frequent, hard to fix issue with Firefox. And I understand your point about IE, if you visit a lot of sites and need to test some, other browsers are required. But you have to admit that as far as site compatibility goes, IE can't be matched which is really convenient.

I wouldn't know. I've only been on 1 site that requires IE, and I don't think I'll ever be visitting that site again. IE is a limiting product in that it can only be used on Windows machines...

 

[MrK6]

FF 1.5.0.8 is still pretty darn good, I guess I won't be installing FF2 any time. Maybe there will be patches soon?

 

[Clocker]

But one that is good for IE is that they have clubbox support.

 

[nemesismk2]

Originally posted by: Mike
IE7 keeps crashing on me.

 

[trOver]

ff is teh best

 

[CP5670]

LOL wow that's definitely something I would not tolerate in ANY piece of software, let alone something that I use every day like a browser. I can't believe people call FF the best thing ever when it has unacceptable quirks like that.

I keep a zipped backup of the entire profile directory and just replace all the files when this happens. Fortunately, the bookmarks and adblock lists are backed up automatically and you don't need to change the other settings very often. It is definitely annoying, though.

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: CP5670
LOL wow that's definitely something I would not tolerate in ANY piece of software, let alone something that I use every day like a browser. I can't believe people call FF the best thing ever when it has unacceptable quirks like that.

Generally firefox does not delete bookmarks or settings. It just gets confused about your profile and creates a new one. The fixes are simple and well known.

And I would bet a majority of users never experience these issues, much like most IE users probably never experience many of its quirks.

<- Not defending any browser, they all still suck.

eh, I didn't say that. Although it does actually remove your settings and stuff entirely, not just create a new profile (or the new profile overrides the old one, in any case). The newer versions fortunately back up your bookmarks and adblock lists every day, but not the browser settings. I have had the following occur countless times over the last two years: I load up Firefox and it suddenly starts in the wrong window size, goes to the FF website (the default home page) and has no bookmarks or quick search engines available. When I check the current bookmark file in its prefs folder, under the only profile there is, it's much smaller than the backed up ones. It closed down normally the last time I used it and gave no indication that this would happen.

It's not that hard to restore everything in the manner I described earlier, but I'm willing to tolerate this problem only because of Adblock.

 

[bigben2wardpitt]

FF2 is still great, a few problems but just wait. all u ie7 switchers will switch soon enough

 

[gizbug]

Originally posted by: michaels
Yeah that's right, I am tired of your crappy performance and various problems. I just installed IE7.

Clap Clap. Thanks for announcing this to the world............next post?

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: CP5670
eh, I didn't say that. Although it does actually remove your settings and stuff entirely, not just create a new profile (or the new profile overrides the old one, in any case). The newer versions fortunately back up your bookmarks and adblock lists every day, but not the browser settings. I have had the following occur countless times over the last two years: I load up Firefox and it suddenly starts in the wrong window size, goes to the FF website (the default home page) and has no bookmarks or quick search engines available. When I check the current bookmark file in its prefs folder, under the only profile there is, it's much smaller than the backed up ones. It closed down normally the last time I used it and gave no indication that this would happen.

It's not that hard to restore everything in the manner I described earlier, but I'm willing to tolerate this problem only because of Adblock.

Most of the time I've seen the "missing bookmarks" issue pop up (never to me, I put in the special "don't make me angry code") a new profile directory has been created somewhere in ~/.mozilla or whatever. The old bookmarks.html file is in that tree somewhere, just the browser isn't looking at it.

Maybe it has happened to me, I don't know. I stopped using local bookmarks a long time ago.

 

[RossMAN]

Is it worth installing IE7?

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: RossMAN
Is it worth installing IE7?

sure

for comparison purposes

i like FF better but occasionally use IE. ... and -- simply from habit - usually use the final build of IE 6 which is completely stable.

 

[Sunner]

The pros and cons of FF/Opera/IE aside(I use FF cause I'm used to it, and it works under all the OS's I use), I've spent some time with IE6 during the last month simply because it's the standard at the client I'm currently at.

And I just frankly can't see how anyone can ever stand to use it unless forced to.
It's atrociously bad, ****** error messages, no tabs, useless interface, it's just...absolutely worthless.
FF aside, I have used Opera and IE7 as well, and both worked just fine for me, and I could certainly see myself working just fine with them, so I'm not THAT touchy, but IE6 makes me wanna reeducate myself to become a car mechanic.

 

[apoppin]

i guess the above post was directed at me ... "anyone"

i use FF 99% of the time

and IE6.xx very occasionally
[with no problems whatsoever ... but that's only a few minutes a week]

 

[Sunner]

Originally posted by: apoppin
i guess the above post was directed at me ... "anyone"

i use FF 99% of the time

and IE6.xx very occasionally
[with no problems whatsoever ... but that's only a few minutes a week]

Actually it wasn't directed at anyone special, I just came home from a day at work where I had to spend an unusually large amount of time getting frustrated while trying to browse online documentation using that hideous abomination of a browser

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Sunner

Originally posted by: apoppin
i guess the above post was directed at me ... "anyone"

i use FF 99% of the time

and IE6.xx very occasionally
[with no problems whatsoever ... but that's only a few minutes a week]

Actually it wasn't directed at anyone special, I just came home from a day at work where I had to spend an unusually large amount of time getting frustrated while trying to browse online documentation using that hideous abomination of a browser

sure .. right after i posted that i use IE6 and that it is stable
:Q




you sure know how to hurt someone when they are down

[j/k'ing]


Happy New Year!

 

[Lemon law]

I somewhat can't believe it----a nine page thread and almost no one is mentioning the computer security advantages of using an a non-ie browser. But the big weakness of ie--even ie7---is too much reliance on active X components----that and the glacial pace at which microsoft patches ie---with an update from ie 6 to 7 taking far too many years.

The other thing unmentioned is competition---ie6 after overtaking netscape---used to have almost 100%of microsoft OS browser use----and now ie use is down to 88% or so--with most of the gains going to firefox---but many vocal opera supports prove that other competotors are in the game---with ie7 somewhat proof that microsoft has had to re-enter the improvement game---its competition and only competition that does leads to improvements--and lack of competion leads to stagnation.

But in terms of computer security---no browser is there yet---and that recent upgrade of firefox 2.0 being a very needed security upgrade that was done in a matter of a few weeks.---but all browsers have security holes---some being discovered as I type this.

But the more the browser market fragments--the better off it is for us computer users---and the harder it is for hackers----because if they try to get me with a magic bullet that might penatrate a given browser---I will be safe from that bullet if I am using some other browser.---and with luck---I will be gone before the hacker can reload his gun to try the hack that might get the browser I am using at the time.

I usually use firefox---my wife uses seamonkey---I sometimes use opera---and use ie7 for updates.
But I sure don't wear it on my sleeve and say I and only I am of the true browser religion---instead I say the more competition there is---the better it is for us all.---and by all means---we need more people to try opera-----but of that big three----ie7, firefox, and opera---a 33--33---33 market share would be almost ideal.----and more alternate browsers would be even better because the hacker will need an ever bigger arsenal to bag their quarry.---and miss more frequently.

At present---ie6&7 is what the hacker will specalise in.---active X is a big security hole.

 

[Danadcorps]

Just wondering if you guys have seen this site http://www.firefoxmyths.com

It seems legit (checked some [not all] of the sources and they checked out).

I'll probably head over the Opera once i finish slip-streaming my OS and do a total reinstall.

 

[secretanchitman]

firefox is great because of its extensions and its open-sourceness. opera is the fastest browser and is now (has been) ad-free. ie7...well, its alright.

go firefox!

 

[xcript]

Originally posted by: Danadcorps
Just wondering if you guys have seen this site http://www.firefoxmyths.com

It seems legit (checked some [not all] of the sources and they checked out).

It's not legit.

It was written by a worthless cretin who used to post here (and has since been banned, IIRC) in order to get hits (Google AdSense).

This is the thread he posted about it (in which he got thoroughly owned). And here's an amusing parody of the sh!tty site.

 

[Lemon law]

I have ie7 now installed and have to say its better than ie6.---but I have experienced no crashes with either. I also have the latest version of firefox and seamonkey also. I have used opera and like it also. But I have used nearly all versions of firefox since 1.0----and have had few if any problems with any of them. I just don't pretend any browser is totally secure---but ie6 and 7 rely too heavily on active X controls to trust. And when any security holes are found--firefox patches rapidly--so does seamonkey.-----and microsoft is always lame in the security department.---at least six months late and many fruitloops shy of security.

And when it comes to extentions or opera widgets---firefox and opera rule the roost---both adblock and no script are huge security advances. I only use ie 7 for windows updates and for the very few websites that demand ie---and those are getting to be fewer and fewer.

But I am posting this from firefox---and my wife is browsing using seamonkey on another computer---while ie7 gathers dust. But I am just posting my experiences---and won't get excited or hyperspastic if other use what they want to use---having many browser choices is good.

 

[WildHorse]

IE7's layout seems unintuitive to me. I really dislike it.

FF2 suits me better.

 

[Shuxclams]

Netscape 4.7x > ALL










SHUX

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: scott
IE7's layout seems unintuitive to me. I really dislike it.

FF2 suits me better.

That's probably because you don't run Vista. IE7 really wasn't designed with XP in mind... (as I've used it in XP), but it fits in just right in Vista (as I use Vista now).

 

[StopSign]

I don't see how people can complain about performance of browsers. Unless you have a POS for a computer with dial-up, the differences are so minimal that you'd have to be in bullet time to see them.

And for the argument that IE7 supports add-ons: IE6 also supported add-ons and has been around for how many years now? 6? 7? Where are all the add-ons for IE6 other than WGA Validation?

Btw I use Firefox with IE Tab. Can you run IE7 with FF Tab? I don't think so. The ability to run IE7 inside Firefox with the Firefox interface is something no other browser out there can do.

 

[Rottie]

I am using FF on my laptop for a good reason IE6 always crash too many times and I wanted to try out with FF It seems ok but FF still crash too..I can't figure out until recent I realized I might have a bad ram (Patroit) so I am gonna buy new RAM from Kingston soon. I suppose the Patroit memory is suck