C-Series C-30

[Chess Gator]

Hello group,

What netbooks are using the AMD Fusion C-Series C-30 1-core cpu?

Which Intel cpu would be equal to the C-30?

Thank you

CG

 

[Chess Gator]

Hi, where are the knowledgeable posters on here ??

Hello group,

What netbooks are using the AMD Fusion C-Series C-30 1-core cpu?

Which Intel cpu would be equal to the C-30?

Thank you

CG

 

[waffleironhead]

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2143132

you might have better luck over in the sff/notebooks... subforum

here is a list of amd netbooks, but i dnot see any using the c-30

 

[Concillian]

From what I've seen, c-30 should be significantly less powerful than the original Athlon64 clock for clock.

See:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/328?vs=44

Look at Cinebench single threaded. e350 single threaded is like a C30 overclocked by 60%.

I think a C30 is probably comparable to a Pentium III 1.0GHz or so. Probably comparable to an Atom at 1.2 - 1.6 GHz in terms of raw CPU performance.

 

[IntelUser2000]

Wrong topic.

C30 chip is equal to the Atom 1.6GHz in single thread and maybe 1.2-1.3GHz for multi thread. Graphics are a different story of course.

 

[Arkadrel]

From what I've seen, c-30 should be significantly less powerful than the original Athlon64 clock for clock.

See:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/328?vs=44

Look at Cinebench single threaded. e350 single threaded is like a C30 overclocked by 60%.

I think a C30 is probably comparable to a Pentium III 1.0GHz or so. Probably comparable to an Atom at 1.2 - 1.6 GHz in terms of raw CPU performance.

isnt the C-30 or whatever like a 9watt TPD APU?
Cut away some stuff and it ends up around 4-5watts or something, which is why theyre being considered for tablets?

Most Athlon64 + GPU combos probably cant do 4-5watt TPDs though, or 9... whatever

 

[Concillian]

Most Athlon64 + GPU combos probably cant do 4-5watt TPDs though, or 9... whatever

You think? lol.

 

[Zap]

Hi, where are the knowledgeable posters on here ??

They are busy posting about more exciting processors.

Personally I wouldn't go anything lower than an E-350 unless it has over 10 hour battery life and was 2.5 pounds or less.

 

[Chess Gator]

Hi fellows, thanks for posting.

So what I am hearing is the C-30 1.2GHZ is about an Atom 1.6GHZ ?! Correct?

Just for interest which one has the better on-cpu GPU?

Thank you

 

[Concillian]

C-30 will have the better GPU.

Atom 1.6 GHz has hyperthreading, so will feel faster than the C30 anytime you have multiple threads.

Personally I'd get the single core atom over the C30, just due to hyperthreading, but the e350 over the single core atom for the GPU advnatages. Unless you really have really low requirements and need the longest possible battery life, the C30 should outlast a single core atom, mostly due to the difference in the chipsets.

 

[Arkadrel]

most atoms are in-order right cpus?
The AMD low end APUs are out of order ones.

The E-350 is many times more powerfull than atom it goes up against in cpu performance. And it has stronger gpu too.

 

[hans007]

im sure the C-30 will find uses in some random embedded apps like say to run an ATM machine. even those grocery store self checkout things run windows...


there is a C-50 based machine from acer, the 522. even has a 1280x720 screen on 10"

 

[Arkadrel]

im sure the C-30 will find uses in some random embedded apps like say to run an ATM machine. even those grocery store self checkout things run windows...


there is a C-50 based machine from acer, the 522. even has a 1280x720 screen on 10"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBfDl314rgE&feature=related

Here is a youtube video of a Acer AO522, running a starcraft 2 demo.
Its running at 1280x720 resolution, minimum settings (at around 24-28 fps (fraps in corner))

Remember this is a ~8watt TPD cpu+gpu (ment for netbooks that just browse internet, watch youtube videos 720p-1080p, play games at low resolutions).

They are gonna make a tablet version, thats 4-5watts thats a C-50 (like one above in video)
(but with stuff cut out of it, that a tablet wont need).
Can you imagine playing Starcraft II on your tablet? (1280x720p, 24+ fps with min settings)
on a ~4watt APU tablet.


Here is Left 4 Dead, 640x480 2xAA (also on the Acer AO522, C-50 APU):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgIdGBk1Cw0&feature=related

It runs it pretty smooth at that resolution (looks 25+ fps).
Its not that bad for a ~8watt CPU/GPU.

 

[CTho9305]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBfDl314rgE&feature=related

Here is a youtube video of a Acer AO522, running a starcraft 2 demo.
Its running at 1280x720 resolution, minimum settings (at around 24-28 fps (fraps in corner))

Remember this is a ~8watt TPD cpu+gpu (ment for netbooks that just browse internet, watch youtube videos 720p-1080p, play games at low resolutions).

They are gonna make a tablet version, thats 4-5watts thats a C-50 (like one above in video)
(but with stuff cut out of it, that a tablet wont need).
Can you imagine playing Starcraft II on your tablet? (1280x720p, 24+ fps with min settings)
on a ~4watt APU tablet.


Here is Left 4 Dead, 640x480 2xAA (also on the Acer AO522, C-50 APU):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgIdGBk1Cw0&feature=related

It runs it pretty smooth at that resolution (looks 25+ fps).
Its not that bad for a ~8watt CPU/GPU.

Wow, that's pretty awesome. I knew an E-350 could do it, but I didn't even imagine a C-50 would handle SC2!

 

[Arkadrel]

@CTho9305

also their makeing a new E APU, a E-450. for netbooks.

E-350 is 1.6Ghz x2, GPU@492mhz, DDR3 1066, 18watt
E-450 is 1.65Ghz (+turbo) x2, GPU@508/600mhz (turbo), DDR3 1333, 18watt

Both are only with 80shaders.
gpu@600mhz vs 492 is like ~22% higher clocks.

C-50 is 1.0Ghz x2, GPU@280mhz, DDR3 1066?, 9watt







more C-50 videos (netbook 8watt apu):

shank 1280x720, default settings, 30+ fps:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blNlC5n4kvo&feature=related

Devil may Cry 4, 640x480, 4xMSAA, super high textures, high quality setting, 35-45+ fps:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBAaZY1tefg&feature=related

Battlefield 2, 800x600, high textures, medium tarrain, rest on low, 20-45+ fps.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYFrwfX1NVk

I think thats okay for a 8watt little apu for a netbook








Im kinda wondering how well the Llano for notebooks will do though, thats bound to be faster than the sandy bridge for notebooks graphics, but how much?

 

[Concillian]

Im kinda wondering how well the Llano for notebooks will do though, thats bound to be faster than the sandy bridge for notebooks graphics, but how much?

The CPU part is not revolutionary. It'll essentially be a Phenom II with really minor IPC improvements, a die shrink and power gating.

The GPU we know will be around a 5570 in performance, primarily limited by memory bandwidth.

The only real variables are clock speed and price. I don't expect to see the GPU clocks affect much, given the memory bandwidth limitation. CPU speeds probably won't be any higher than current desktop speeds for notebooks, but really who knows. You can probably get a pretty good idea how it'll perform just by looking for a 5570 review paired with a Phenom II. Notebook CPUs will probably still have some dual cores and some quads.

A Phenom II coupled with a 5570 is no speed demon, but in most games, the GPU advantage will be of more benefit than the CPU advantage that SB will clearly have. Starcraft II might be the primary exception, with such heavy CPU dependency during battles with a large number of units.

 

[digger72]

C-30 is a very slow processor. Probably good enough,just for the entry level netbooks

 

[Arkadrel]

C-30 is a very slow processor. Probably good enough,just for the entry level netbooks

The Atom N550 is a tiny bit faster cpu wise, but it uses 8.5watts alone... not sure how much the IGP it has uses.

The C-50, uses 8watts for its CPU+GPU, cpu wise is about as fast as the Atom N550.

the C-50 uses less power (at TPD rates if you look at both CPU+GPU).
(it also has lower Idle consumption than the N550)




Youtube video; C-50 vs atom N550, playing 1080p content:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzcGC0aaaew

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXXOLnPnS7o&feature=player_embedded#at=132
The Atom N550 cant really playback 1080p videos on youtube without lagging... not a issue for the C-50.

Atom N550 = 13-48 fps
C-50 = constant 48 fps

 

[IntelUser2000]

The Atom N550 is a tiny bit faster cpu wise, but it uses 8.5watts alone... not sure how much the IGP it has uses.

Bzzttt... you got it wrong. Atom N550's 8.5W TDP includes the memory controller, CPU, and the graphics. The IOH's TDP is also lower at 1.5W.

 

[Arkadrel]

http://www.netbooklive.net/ontario-c-50-vs-atom-n550-whos-the-true-low-power-champ-7445/

Netbooknews.com comes with a highly detailed power consumption comparison of the two and this is what they figured out. First, in idle mode, the Atom N550 ticks in at 4.9 W, while Ontario gets a slightly better score of 4.5W. AMD’s chip is better also at web browsing, as a Google, email and Facebook session of 5 minutes came with a 6W discharge from Ontario, while N550 spared nothing under 6.5 W.

Atom N550 uses alittle less power during video playback, but doesnt get same fps as the c-50.
Would you rather use less power, but have laggy 1080p playback? or use abit more and have it run smoothly?

Finally, gaming is more in AMD’s court. Although it took in an average of 10W, Ontario produced 50 to 60 frames per second, while the Atom N550 came up with a maximum of 7 fps and 9W. Overall, the Ontario C-50 will drain the battery faster than the N550, but it will offer superior graphic performance, especially at gaming bits.

Online game Live For Speed:


C-50 @ 10w doing 50-60fps
vs
N550 @ 9w doing ~7 fps



SO:

Idle: 0.4w less on C-50
Video playback: 2watt less on N550 (N550+Ion~ 13-48fps vs C-50 constant 48fps)
Gameing: 1watt less on N550 (but does 7fps vs 50-60fps)

1080p H.264 playback (Big Buck Bunny animation video)
watch this to see differnce in playback of videos between a C-50 and a N550:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzcGC0aaaew

 

[IntelUser2000]

At the moment if you want decent media playback and some gaming capability on that price and power use, there's no substitute for the Ontario chips. Though Atom chips are way too overdue for update, on things like media playback(pretty sure gaming won't really be addressed).

 

[CTho9305]

@CTho9305

also their makeing a new E APU, a E-450. for netbooks.

E-350 is 1.6Ghz x2, GPU@492mhz, DDR3 1066, 18watt
E-450 is 1.65Ghz (+turbo) x2, GPU@508/600mhz (turbo), DDR3 1333, 18watt

Yeah I saw that - was xbitlabs the only source?

 

[Arkadrel]

"Yeah I saw that - was xbitlabs the only source?"

Yeah read it on Xbit, I think its true though.... the E-450 sounds like a nice little chip for a netbook, atleast until next gen of those small APU come out.

 

[Idontcare]

The CPU part is not revolutionary. It'll essentially be a Phenom II with really minor IPC improvements, a die shrink and power gating.

Admittedly I'm no cpu architect but I can't help feeling these statements are woefully understating the reality of what Bobcat and Ontario delivers.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3863/amd-discloses-bobcat-bulldozer-architectures-at-hot-chips-2010/2

For the power-consumption envelope and performance envelope, I was under the impression that Bobcat as a cpu core, and Ontario as a CPU+GPU product, was/is revolutionary.

 

[Arkadrel]

What gets to me is how tiny those chips are, and the motherboards

Its tiny, and the motherboards almost make me go "Awwww" cute little things.
The chip itself looks like its the size of a thumbs nail (and thats on 40nm! soon 28nm bulk).