C2D versus my X2 boxes

[OcHungry]

Originally posted by: harpoon84
OcHungry... that's quite a corner you backed yourself into. Gonna be fun seeing how this one pans out.

I see that you've conveniently avoided the topic of performance altogether. Perhaps it doesn't matter anymore, or perhaps Duvie is *drum roll* LIEING?!?! LOL

For the record both Duvie and Mark have my full support. At least they contribute to this forum.

OcHungry on the other hand... well, just do a forum search under his username and decide for yourself. I suspect he is a key member of 'Team Sharikou'.

Why is it always you (and 2-3 other usual) immediately follow where I post? Am I on your watch list? Are you an Intel scout hired as a net watcher?
Look, I am not stuck up like some people around here boisterously showing off what they?ve got or "soon to come $10,000 PC?. Notice I don?t even show a sig (even though my 4400 is among the fastest here).
Is Intel not going to make it comes next year, so you have to be on your toes?
I told you before: "leave me alone" and do not mention my name in you posts or reply to mine. Why do you keep doing it? Do you get paid for watching what I say? What are you afraid of? And why do you care so intensely?

 

[harpoon84]

I visit these forums everyday... I post whenever I have something to say. I don't 'stalk' you as you try to claim, but if I see BS I will shoot it down, and you're full of BS...

Now, let's get back on the topic...

You claim people LIE about their overclocks, you claim people can't TELL THE DIFFERENCE between C2D and AMD, and that ONLY FANBOYS say C2D is noticeably faster than AMD.

Do you have anything to say about that? How about discussing Duvies results?

 

[aggressor]

Lying about overclocks? Are you serious? Fine. They aren't at 3.4ghz, but close enough:

CPU1: http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/851/c2doc32ghz30hcroppedzr1.png

CPU2 (lower than stock voltages): http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/4250/newc2d32ghzlv0.png

 

[DrMrLordX]

So can we lock OCHungry in a cage with Felix and have them fight to the death?

AMD Astroturfer vs Intel fanboi, FIGHT!

Seriously folks, OCHungry is beyond useless. And for what it's worth, I find Duvie and Mark both to be useful sources of information here (among others). OCHungry never says anything worthwhile and gets people stirred up.

Core 2 really does well in f@h btw, not like you need me to confirm that.

 

[OcHungry]

Originally posted by: harpoon84
I visit these forums everyday... I post whenever I have something to say. I don't 'stalk' you as you try to claim, but if I see BS I will shoot it down, and you're full of BS...

Now, let's get back on the topic...

You claim people LIE about their overclocks, you claim people can't TELL THE DIFFERENCE between C2D and AMD, and that ONLY FANBOYS say C2D is noticeably faster than AMD.

Do you have anything to say about that? How about discussing Duvies results?

Here you go again distorting my statement(s).
I guess that's what's your paid to do.
I repeat: It?s a lie people claiming 3.5 GHz w/ C2D 24/7 and prime stable. Sure an opteron can do 4ghz and I can run Cinebench @ 3.1ghz w/ a 4400 but is it safe or stable 24/7? No. what is the temp @ 3.5 GHz 24/7 on that C2D? 72c or more?
I see a screenshot of a brave member showing 72c for 3.2 GHz. Is this what you call a 24/7 system or is it just you experiment of your chip's capability?

 

[harpoon84]

LOL I actually run my own business, but hey, if I was 'paid' to distort your facts I'd gladly sell it and earn a decent living just by posting on Anandtech.

MANY people run their C2D above 3GHz on stock Vcore. It is a fact. If you actually visit some Intel enthusiast forums you will see that. I don't know what you are trying to prove here.

As for the temps, the Core2 temp is taken directly from the core, unlike previous generations of CPUs which often required the mobo to 'estimate' the core temp. Thus core temperatures will 'appear' higher, but if you look at the wattages between a C2D and AMD system you will find that C2D consumes less power.

Now, do you have ANYTHING to say about Duvies numbers at all? ANYTHING?

Just to remind you...

In F@H...

WU 24xx'z...

X2 270's = 32-35mins per frame
X2 265's@2.5ghz = 28-30mins per frame
C2D E6300,6400,&E6600@3.4 = 14-16mins per frame

WU 2124,2125,2126

X2 270's = 50min per frame
X2 265's@2.5ghz = 42-44min per frame
C2D E6300,6400,&6600@3.4ghz = 23-26min per frame

 

[ScythedBlade]

OcHungry ... you got pwnt. I'm running a 3508 with my C2DE6400 ...

Voltage: 1.42500
Temperature Load: 63 degrees Celsius
Temperature Idle: 55 degrees Celsius
Cooling: 16.35 dollar Arctic Freezer 7 Pro

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: ScythedBlade
OcHungry ... you got pwnt. I'm running a 3508 with my C2DE6400 ...

Voltage: 1.42500
Temperature Load: 63 degrees Celsius
Temperature Idle: 55 degrees Celsius
Cooling: 16.35 dollar Arctic Freezer 7 Pro

That sure does seem like low temps for 3.5 Ghz, with 1.425v vcore, with only an AC Freezer 7 Pro cooling it. You wouldn't happen to have a screenshot, with Orthos running, along with CPU-Z, and CoreTemp open, would you?

 

[aggressor]

Originally posted by: OcHungry
Here you go again distorting my statement(s).
I guess that's what's your paid to do.
I repeat: It?s a lie people claiming 3.5 GHz w/ C2D 24/7 and prime stable. Sure an opteron can do 4ghz and I can run Cinebench @ 3.1ghz w/ a 4400 but is it safe or stable 24/7? No. what is the temp @ 3.5 GHz 24/7 on that C2D? 72c or more?
I see a screenshot of a brave member showing 72c for 3.2 GHz. Is this what you call a 24/7 system or is it just you experiment of your chip's capability?

It's sweet of you to only point out my first screenshot, which was with a C2D with an uneven heatspreader, and not the second one with an even heatspreader. Nothing like ignoring what proves you wrong, right?

And to answer your question, yes, I considered that 24\7 since it ran THIRTY HOURS in Orthos without an error or locking up, let alone being used for encoding and gaming. 72c isn't critical if it's stable, which the chip certainly was. My new one is even better. But yea, go on ignore stuff that makes you look bad. It's okay

 

[nyker96]

interesting posts you guys have here. First my impression of things here:
OcHungry: You are kinda funny but your posts isn't filled with any useful numbers to be convincing of your points. Put some screenshots/stats to prove what you saying is better. Although I don't doubt some people swell with pride on their new rig, well that's not a sin. However, I do agree with you on the fact that C2D doesn't win on every benchmarks or real life programs. But on F@H C2D definitely has X2 beat hands down on equal Mhz machines, many posting has shown this with numbers.

Rest: You guys shouldn't take OcHungry too seriously, I think he's just expressing his frustration with AMD's recent performance against C2D and needed a thread to express it. Although I don't like the personal attacks both side throw at each other don't enhance this forum much with this type of language.

As to 3.5 C2Ds, I personally haven't seen too many around, at least with the current stepping of C2Ds, most people does indeed have heat problem at around 3.4/5 on air. Without decent cooling, 3.5 isn't very attainable right now on C2Ds.

 

[Roguestar]

I want to see his magical 4Ghz Opteron he speaks of. Specifically "24/7 and prime stable" like he demands the C2Ds to be.

 

[customcoms]

yeah cus this is the world flipping record: http://www.ripping.org/database.php?act=records

AMD Opteron 175 (Toledo) 3546.55 61.207 Pedro Rocha Portugal Vapochill LS

You read that? VAPOCHILL. The FASTEST dual core AMD I found was a 4600+ @ 3.7ghz. Thats with 1.69 damn volts. Check the damn records.

Intel C2D setups are spewing 4+ghz results all over the place.

You want STABLE? HERE ARE THE DAMN STABLE OVERCLOCKS. PRIME ****** 95 INCLUDED: http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10195
http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/showthread.php?t=58843

The second S775 entry is a ****** C2D E6600 @3.5ghz 3D STABLE. BY HAPPY_GAMES. GUESS WHAT? HE HAS ABOUT 10 MILLION TIMES THE SUPPORT OF ANYONE ON THESE FORUMS, EXCEPT anandtech himself and some of the mods. He makes a living overclocking computers and providing tech support for THE CURRENT MOST REPUTABLE BOARD MAKER IN EXISTANCE-DFI. Asus has better C2D boards available currently, but DFI was busy making the best AMD64 boards because AMD WAS the best. As in, there is NO DFI Lanparty board for C2D thats you and I can purchase...when that comes out things COULD get exciting.

 

[Markfw]

OK, here is a 12 hour (or so) stable shot using 2 instances of F@H @ 3500 and the temps are good. 500x7 on an E6300 and PC8000 memory.
right here.
49c isn;t too bad....

 

[OcHungry]

Originally posted by: customcoms
yeah cus this is the world flipping record: http://www.ripping.org/database.php?act=records

AMD Opteron 175 (Toledo) 3546.55 61.207 Pedro Rocha Portugal Vapochill LS

You read that? VAPOCHILL. The FASTEST dual core AMD I found was a 4600+ @ 3.7ghz. Thats with 1.69 damn volts. Check the damn records.

Intel C2D setups are spewing 4+ghz results all over the place.

You want STABLE? HERE ARE THE DAMN STABLE OVERCLOCKS. PRIME ****** 95 INCLUDED: http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10195
http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/showthread.php?t=58843

The second S775 entry is a ****** C2D E6600 @3.5ghz 3D STABLE. BY HAPPY_GAMES. GUESS WHAT? HE HAS ABOUT 10 MILLION TIMES THE SUPPORT OF ANYONE ON THESE FORUMS, EXCEPT anandtech himself and some of the mods. He makes a living overclocking computers and providing tech support for THE CURRENT MOST REPUTABLE BOARD MAKER IN EXISTANCE-DFI. Asus has better C2D boards available currently, but DFI was busy making the best AMD64 boards because AMD WAS the best. As in, there is NO DFI Lanparty board for C2D thats you and I can purchase...when that comes out things COULD get exciting.

Opteron 146 > 3.8ghz
Not 4ghz but let me find where I read/saw it and will post it for you.

 

[theprodigalrebel]

You read that? VAPOCHILL. The FASTEST dual core AMD I found was a 4600+ @ 3.7ghz. Thats with 1.69 damn volts. Check the damn records.

customcoms was talking about dual-core, not the single-core Opteron 146.
And I'm sure the dry ice they used was great for 24/7 stability.

More pictures from our DryIce session can be found on our home forum.

This was the line you might have missed at the bottom.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: OcHungry

Originally posted by: Duvie
I was a staunch AMD fan with several boxes...No Intel fanboy here as you claim of C2D fans....People see me scrap all of my quad boxes for dual core Intel boxes says volumes...

Also in 2 of my C2D boxes I run 2 instances of F@H at top temp of 41-43c.....Cool and quiet is how I explain my new C2D boxes...

Look Heehaw, No need to get so bent out of shape you stuck up self loving show off.
Just show prime95 running at that speed ,not less than 12 hrs. I never doubt C2D can do those superficial benchmarks all in 32bit apps. Just doubt that it?s any good 24/7 and/or can be stable or sustain any stress without freezing on you. You never mentioned how long it took you getting those results. Was it about 150 reboots and 200 freeze ups?
Some people are so stuck up that when are put to test of human endurance/tolerance they blow up like a balloon full of hot air.

Or like you some people never evolved beyond monkeys. :roll:

 

[swtethan]

Originally posted by: OcHungry

Originally posted by: customcoms
yeah cus this is the world flipping record: http://www.ripping.org/database.php?act=records

AMD Opteron 175 (Toledo) 3546.55 61.207 Pedro Rocha Portugal Vapochill LS

You read that? VAPOCHILL. The FASTEST dual core AMD I found was a 4600+ @ 3.7ghz. Thats with 1.69 damn volts. Check the damn records.

Intel C2D setups are spewing 4+ghz results all over the place.

You want STABLE? HERE ARE THE DAMN STABLE OVERCLOCKS. PRIME ****** 95 INCLUDED: http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10195
http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/showthread.php?t=58843

The second S775 entry is a ****** C2D E6600 @3.5ghz 3D STABLE. BY HAPPY_GAMES. GUESS WHAT? HE HAS ABOUT 10 MILLION TIMES THE SUPPORT OF ANYONE ON THESE FORUMS, EXCEPT anandtech himself and some of the mods. He makes a living overclocking computers and providing tech support for THE CURRENT MOST REPUTABLE BOARD MAKER IN EXISTANCE-DFI. Asus has better C2D boards available currently, but DFI was busy making the best AMD64 boards because AMD WAS the best. As in, there is NO DFI Lanparty board for C2D thats you and I can purchase...when that comes out things COULD get exciting.

Opteron 146 > 3.8ghz
Not 4ghz but let me find where I read/saw it and will post it for you.

OPTERON 146 is NOT dual core





when will you stop?

 

[Avalon]

Originally posted by: OcHungry

Originally posted by: harpoon84
I visit these forums everyday... I post whenever I have something to say. I don't 'stalk' you as you try to claim, but if I see BS I will shoot it down, and you're full of BS...

Now, let's get back on the topic...

You claim people LIE about their overclocks, you claim people can't TELL THE DIFFERENCE between C2D and AMD, and that ONLY FANBOYS say C2D is noticeably faster than AMD.

Do you have anything to say about that? How about discussing Duvies results?

I repeat: It?s a lie people claiming 3.5 GHz w/ C2D 24/7 and prime stable. Sure an opteron can do 4ghz

BS. And more BS. You know damn well there are quite a number of overclockers out there with screenshots of torture tests running those sort of overclocks just fine. Plus, no Opteron is going to be running anything @ 4Ghz.

Are you just pissed because Duvie is right and you're wrong? He buys the best, and is more than willing to prove it, as evident by his thread. His attitude in this thread is your fault. Blame yourself, you troll.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: OcHungry

Originally posted by: harpoon84
OcHungry... that's quite a corner you backed yourself into. Gonna be fun seeing how this one pans out.

I see that you've conveniently avoided the topic of performance altogether. Perhaps it doesn't matter anymore, or perhaps Duvie is *drum roll* LIEING?!?! LOL

For the record both Duvie and Mark have my full support. At least they contribute to this forum.

OcHungry on the other hand... well, just do a forum search under his username and decide for yourself. I suspect he is a key member of 'Team Sharikou'.

Why is it always you (and 2-3 other usual) immediately follow where I post? Am I on your watch list? Are you an Intel scout hired as a net watcher?
Look, I am not stuck up like some people around here boisterously showing off what they?ve got or "soon to come $10,000 PC?. Notice I don?t even show a sig (even though my 4400 is among the fastest here).
Is Intel not going to make it comes next year, so you have to be on your toes?
I told you before: "leave me alone" and do not mention my name in you posts or reply to mine. Why do you keep doing it? Do you get paid for watching what I say? What are you afraid of? And why do you care so intensely?

I think you're embarassed because your 4400 is slower than the C2D.

 

[Markfw]

Notice how no comment has been made, now that I have show the screen shot running 24/7@3.5....

He said I couldn't provide a picture, and now I have. So where is my apology, OChungry ? And this is on air cooling, not dry ice, like your stupid example, and it wasn;t even a dual-core either.

Vote for banning OChungry also.:thumbsup:

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: OcHungry

Originally posted by: customcoms
yeah cus this is the world flipping record: http://www.ripping.org/database.php?act=records

AMD Opteron 175 (Toledo) 3546.55 61.207 Pedro Rocha Portugal Vapochill LS

You read that? VAPOCHILL. The FASTEST dual core AMD I found was a 4600+ @ 3.7ghz. Thats with 1.69 damn volts. Check the damn records.

Intel C2D setups are spewing 4+ghz results all over the place.

You want STABLE? HERE ARE THE DAMN STABLE OVERCLOCKS. PRIME ****** 95 INCLUDED: http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10195
http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/showthread.php?t=58843

The second S775 entry is a ****** C2D E6600 @3.5ghz 3D STABLE. BY HAPPY_GAMES. GUESS WHAT? HE HAS ABOUT 10 MILLION TIMES THE SUPPORT OF ANYONE ON THESE FORUMS, EXCEPT anandtech himself and some of the mods. He makes a living overclocking computers and providing tech support for THE CURRENT MOST REPUTABLE BOARD MAKER IN EXISTANCE-DFI. Asus has better C2D boards available currently, but DFI was busy making the best AMD64 boards because AMD WAS the best. As in, there is NO DFI Lanparty board for C2D thats you and I can purchase...when that comes out things COULD get exciting.

Opteron 146 > 3.8ghz
Not 4ghz but let me find where I read/saw it and will post it for you.

No proof of stability 24/7. You're full of it...why demand 24/7 orthos C2D if your magical Opteron doesn't require the same?

 

[Conky]

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: OcHungry
If anyone to be banned is you for personal attacks and name callings.
I will report your foul language and I am sure the mods don?t care if you've been posted 100,000 more than anyone here. Rules are rules and you have evaded them too many times. Maybe you are lucky and Mr. Anand just gives you a Christmas vacation

YOU ARE THE ONE THAT CALLED ME A LIAR. POT CALLING THE KETTLE BLACK.

YOU ARE THE ONE THAT NEEDS TO BE BANNED. I AM ONLY PROVING YOU WRONG.

SEE ABOVE PICTURE, MORE COMING YOU TROLL.

OcHungry has called everybody who has a Core 2 Duo rig a liar over and over to the point of silliness. I can't even get worked up over his dumb ass anymore but he should be muzzled simply because he won't stop giving out bad information and this is a forum where a lot of noobs come for REAL information and not just weak fanboy noise.

If this is a vote I am all for banning OcStupid and his pathetic attacks on others here. :thumbsup:

Subliminal message to the mod about OcHungry

 

[Shimmishim]

geez... this guy is still around?

just leave him be... don't egg him on.

everyone else knows he's wrong.

 

[Stumps]

OcHungry makes baby jesus cry

 

[OcHungry]

Stop distorting the facts and Pay attention to what I have said:

Big deal and a lie. You don?t run your C2D @ 3.5 24/7 or play games or do cpu intense app @ that speed. you did 3.5 as an experiment and suicide shot just as anyone w/ phase change can do w/ a good X2 stepping (even up to 4ghz). My 4400 x2 is stable @ 2.97 GHz and can run Cinebench @ 3.1 GHz all on air (shall I post screenshots?). But I don run my machine at that speed because I don?t think it's safe or practical. I really don?t feel much improvement or feel any different running anything over 2.7-2.8 GHz vs. 3.1 GHz. So please, I have heard those gross exaggerations and are getting old. It's time you come out and speak the truth. Do you really run your C2D @ the speed you claim (3.5 GHz) daily, and w/ what cooling system?

and in another thread:

Sure an opteron can do 4ghz and I can run Cinebench @ 3.1ghz w/ a 4400 but is it safe or stable 24/7? No. what is the temp @ 3.5 GHz 24/7 on that C2D? 72c or more?
I see a screenshot of a brave member showing 72c for 3.2 GHz. Is this what you call a 24/7 system or is it just you experiment of your chip's capability?

Now where do you see that I said "stable"?
Furthermore, its not about you and what you can do w/ your C2D. So stop pumping yourself up in every thread you post. Do we care? NO