C2D versus my X2 boxes

[Markfw]

What you have said is a total lie. I have picures (as you requested) running 3.5 ghz 24/7 @ 49c using a big typhoon for cooling. And I do notice a BIG difference in my F@H times.

So I have totally proved you wrong. What am I distorting ?

Going to apologise for calling me a liar yet ?

And the biggest lie, is that you state the X2 owners are sorry they went to C2D. I still have both, and if I could sell me X2's (they are in FS forum for a week now, no action), I would buy more C2D's. Why ? They are faster at the same clock, and mos of all THEY OVERLOCK BETTER !

Granted you need good memory and cooling to do it, but I have the same situation on my 4400, and it will no longer hold 2500 ! OCZ EL PC 4000 memory, and great cooling, but over the years, I have had to reduce my OC, down to 2400. It may happen to the C2D's, only time will tell.

 

[customcoms]

I see that you are not claiming an outrageous 24/7 stable OC on your X2...as a matter of fact you are claiming the same speeds I run my dual core Opteron 24/7 at, the same speeds as FX-60's and 62's. The FASTEST 24/7 STABLE speeds I have seen of AMD dualies are 3-3.2ghz, and that requires VERY high end air cooling and most people with those speeds are on GREAT water, vapo or TEC.

However, you ARE claiming people don't run there C2D's at 3.5ghz stable. Guess what? 3.5ghz is LESS OF AN OVERCLOCK FOR E6600's and up than your and my dual core AMD overclocks (mine at least, I'm pushing a 900mhz overclock on stock voltage and stock cooling. My computer has been running dual folding@home for 24 hours now). And I posted links to overclocking databases that CLEARLY prove 24/7 stable C2D and AMD operation. Thats what those database's were set up FOR!

I am tired of you spewing FALSE information, namely C2D's aren't faster than AMD dualies even at the same speeds, when EVERYONE says the opposite. The ONLY exception is MOST, NOT ALL, games, because they are gpu bound.

 

[lopri]

I vote this thread to be locked. :disgust:

 

[Roguestar]

OcHungry keeps changing his point every time the old one gets proven wrong. Duvie and mark weren't using Dry Ice to get their C2Ds to >3.4Ghz. I also notice that you whinged like a baby that mark's 3.43Ghz wasn't 3.5 but the link to the "4Ghz opteron" was a little over 3.8, and it was only single core anyway. Ban this troll.

 

[OcHungry]

Originally posted by: Markfw900
OK, here is a 12 hour (or so) stable shot using 2 instances of F@H @ 3500 and the temps are good. 500x7 on an E6300 and PC8000 memory.
right here.
49c isn;t too bad....

Oh wow... talking about evasive action.
where is coreTemp utility? all of a sudden it disapears?
What is the coretemp reading? 69c?, 75c? It is the general knowledge that coretemp is ~ 12-15c higher than any other temp monitoring utility because coretemp shows the die temp (not the cpu external temp as others would).
BTW, prime95 is what we all know can stress cpu 100%. I wouldnt know how that folding software does. Is it partially stressing cpu or is it 100%? where is task maneger showing cpu usage.

 

[customcoms]

I'm running dual folding RIGHT NOW and both cores are pegged at 100%. BTW, coretemp SHOWS THE EXACT SAME TEMPERATURE AS MBM5, with MBM5 reading from the external diode and coretemp reading the internal. Thats 48DC. These are the same temps and same usage I see when running dual prime OR orthos. Because unlike you I've done BOTH. Mind you its not a C2D.

I also vote this pointless thread be locked. No use arguing with some kid who has his mind made up already.

 

[Roguestar]

OcHungry: He didn't have to use dry ice to cool it, did he now?


Oh great he's questioning whether f@h uses 100% or not. Unbelievable.


Edit: lock this pointless thread. All those with their eyes open can see the C2D's overclocking potential and better performance clock-for-clock.

 

[Conky]

Originally posted by: OcHungry

Originally posted by: Markfw900
OK, here is a 12 hour (or so) stable shot using 2 instances of F@H @ 3500 and the temps are good. 500x7 on an E6300 and PC8000 memory.
right here.
49c isn;t too bad....

Oh wow... talking about evasive action.
where is coreTemp utility? all of a sudden it disapears?
What is the coretemp reading? 69c?, 75c? It is the general knowledge that coretemp is ~ 12-15c higher than any other temp monitoring utility because coretemp shows the die temp (not the cpu external temp as others would).
BTW, prime95 is what we all know can stress cpu 100%. I wouldnt know how that folding software does. Is it partially stressing cpu or is it 100%? where is task maneger showing cpu usage.

You are seriously annoying.

I am asking Santa to ban you for Christmas.

And just think, I was gonna ask for world peace and now you went and ruined our chances for that.

 

[harpoon84]

I wonder what OcHungry has to say about this:
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=28&threadid=1972822&enterthread=y

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: OcHungry

Originally posted by: Markfw900
OK, here is a 12 hour (or so) stable shot using 2 instances of F@H @ 3500 and the temps are good. 500x7 on an E6300 and PC8000 memory.
right here.
49c isn;t too bad....

Oh wow... talking about evasive action.
where is coreTemp utility? all of a sudden it disapears?
What is the coretemp reading? 69c?, 75c? It is the general knowledge that coretemp is ~ 12-15c higher than any other temp monitoring utility because coretemp shows the die temp (not the cpu external temp as others would).
BTW, prime95 is what we all know can stress cpu 100%. I wouldnt know how that folding software does. Is it partially stressing cpu or is it 100%? where is task maneger showing cpu usage.

First, easytune5 shows the core temp. If there is some other software you use fine. I already proved my stability point. If you don;t think F@H uses all the cpu, and you won't believe 5-10 people saying so, thats your problem. I already showed you to be a liar, even though you accused me of it. No apology ? No admission ?

I vote for ban, this is rediculous.

 

[Roguestar]

Originally posted by: Markfw900
No apology ? No admission ?

I vote for ban, this is rediculous.

I've been trying to get blood out of this stone I found in the garden all evening and I think it's going to give up before OcHungry does.

 

[geokilla]

Even though I am like a NOOB considered to Markfw900 and Duvie, I totally agree with them and that OcHungry is all talk. WHERE ARE YOUR SCREENSHOTS OF TOTAL SYSTEM STABILITY. You demand that both Mark and Duvie post their screenshots of system stability yet I don't see you posting your screenshots. I have a AMD X-2 3800+ when I could've gotten a C2D but you don't see me BSing.

You guys have my vote on OcHungry being banned.

I know this is off topic....but....I used core temp today and it said that my temps were 40DC and 29DC on cores 1 and 2 respectively. That's almost 13DC higher than what I usually get running Asus PC Probe II. On PC Probe, I get temps of around 25DC with Cool&Quiet enabled. Should I trust the temps from core temp or from PC Probe. I want an answer please. Not an answer from OcHungry.

I may not have a point in my post and it may be a bit random....but bear with me. I'm 14.

 

[Conky]

Originally posted by: geokilla
Even though I am like a NOOB considered to Markfw900 and Duvie, I totally agree with them and that OcHungry is all talk. WHERE ARE YOUR SCREENSHOTS OF TOTAL SYSTEM STABILITY. You demand that both Mark and Duvie post their screenshots of system stability yet I don't see you posting your screenshots. I have a AMD X-2 3800+ when I could've gotten a C2D but you don't see me BSing.

You guys have my vote on OcHungry being banned.

I know this is off topic....but....I used core temp today and it said that my temps were 40DC and 29DC on cores 1 and 2 respectively. That's almost 13DC higher than what I usually get running Asus PC Probe II. On PC Probe, I get temps of around 25DC with Cool&Quiet enabled. Should I trust the temps from core temp or from PC Probe. I want an answer please. Not an answer from OcHungry.

I may not have a point in my post and it may be a bit random....but bear with me. I'm 14.

Kid, I like you.

Your X2 is a nice cpu and very capable... it should last you for quite a while so don't feel bad about it. But, as you already know by now, a C2D would've been a better choice if you want to overclock, etc.

Either way, you are way ahead of the game at 14. :thumbsup:

 

[Duvie]

OChungry,

I haven't seen anyone come to your defense..you want to try that poll yet?

I already said I wont stop my non stop folding to run orthos for you..if my systems can run weeks without EEU (early end units) and still allow me to do anything and everything I throw at it then it is stable......If it dont crash and produce errors by definition it is stable. get over it.

i am sure you will right about now start getting on the mods nerves...i think they may start getting tired of hearing from us...

Isn't there an all AMD fanboy thread you can hang out at? This is for serious enthusiast who actually know what they are talking about, and have an open mind when it comes to technology...

 

[OcHungry]

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: OcHungry

Originally posted by: Markfw900
OK, here is a 12 hour (or so) stable shot using 2 instances of F@H @ 3500 and the temps are good. 500x7 on an E6300 and PC8000 memory.
right here.
49c isn;t too bad....

Oh wow... talking about evasive action.
where is coreTemp utility? all of a sudden it disapears?
What is the coretemp reading? 69c?, 75c? It is the general knowledge that coretemp is ~ 12-15c higher than any other temp monitoring utility because coretemp shows the die temp (not the cpu external temp as others would).
BTW, prime95 is what we all know can stress cpu 100%. I wouldnt know how that folding software does. Is it partially stressing cpu or is it 100%? where is task maneger showing cpu usage.

First, easytune5 shows the core temp. If there is some other software you use fine. I already proved my stability point. If you don;t think F@H uses all the cpu, and you won't believe 5-10 people saying so, thats your problem. I already showed you to be a liar, even though you accused me of it. No apology ? No admission ?

I vote for ban, this is rediculous.

You have posted over 7000 and I am sure read at least that many posts by others, but yet you claim you never heard of coretemp utility.
I asked you for prime95 (12 hrs at least) and you show a F@H that I dont know how it stresses cpu and then act as though you never heard of coretemp.
Maybe lying is a hursh term but evasive or deceptive can be more polite.

 

[Duvie]

By the way mark was one of the big AMD fans...To get him to be open minded to try a C2D system I was amazed...However he did and he has seen first hand against several (like 10+ ) AMD systems (many oc'd) that this thing was totally destroying anything he had. Now Mark is in full mode trying to get and convert his folding farm into C2D boxes...if that doesn't speak volumes I dont know what does...

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: OcHungry
Stop distorting the facts and Pay attention to what I have said:

Big deal and a lie. You don?t run your C2D @ 3.5 24/7 or play games or do cpu intense app @ that speed. you did 3.5 as an experiment and suicide shot just as anyone w/ phase change can do w/ a good X2 stepping (even up to 4ghz). My 4400 x2 is stable @ 2.97 GHz and can run Cinebench @ 3.1 GHz all on air (shall I post screenshots?). But I don run my machine at that speed because I don?t think it's safe or practical. I really don?t feel much improvement or feel any different running anything over 2.7-2.8 GHz vs. 3.1 GHz. So please, I have heard those gross exaggerations and are getting old. It's time you come out and speak the truth. Do you really run your C2D @ the speed you claim (3.5 GHz) daily, and w/ what cooling system?

and in another thread:

Sure an opteron can do 4ghz and I can run Cinebench @ 3.1ghz w/ a 4400 but is it safe or stable 24/7? No. what is the temp @ 3.5 GHz 24/7 on that C2D? 72c or more?
I see a screenshot of a brave member showing 72c for 3.2 GHz. Is this what you call a 24/7 system or is it just you experiment of your chip's capability?

Now where do you see that I said "stable"?
Furthermore, its not about you and what you can do w/ your C2D. So stop pumping yourself up in every thread you post. Do we care? NO

I care...but maybe people who can't think beyond the number 10 don't...much like yourself, and children on the short bus.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: OcHungry

Originally posted by: Markfw900
OK, here is a 12 hour (or so) stable shot using 2 instances of F@H @ 3500 and the temps are good. 500x7 on an E6300 and PC8000 memory.
right here.
49c isn;t too bad....

Oh wow... talking about evasive action.
where is coreTemp utility? all of a sudden it disapears?
What is the coretemp reading? 69c?, 75c? It is the general knowledge that coretemp is ~ 12-15c higher than any other temp monitoring utility because coretemp shows the die temp (not the cpu external temp as others would).
BTW, prime95 is what we all know can stress cpu 100%. I wouldnt know how that folding software does. Is it partially stressing cpu or is it 100%? where is task maneger showing cpu usage.

Temp means nothing. it's not about temps, not about whether you stress with orthos or prime. it's about one chip being faster than another regardless of cooling differences. Even a concave IHS E6300 that can only reach 3Ghz will beat any AMD chip you own.

 

[Shimmishim]

sigh

i hate getting involved.

say what you want about the temps...

like everyone else says, the c2d is still faster at the end of the day and i have both systems as well...

i've moved my amd system as my backup rig and keep my c2d as my main gaming rig now.

the only program i use everyday that stresses my system is f@h 2 instances which loads both cores to 100% and makes my temp run in the 50-60C's range.

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: OcHungry

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: OcHungry

Originally posted by: Markfw900
OK, here is a 12 hour (or so) stable shot using 2 instances of F@H @ 3500 and the temps are good. 500x7 on an E6300 and PC8000 memory.
right here.
49c isn;t too bad....

Oh wow... talking about evasive action.
where is coreTemp utility? all of a sudden it disapears?
What is the coretemp reading? 69c?, 75c? It is the general knowledge that coretemp is ~ 12-15c higher than any other temp monitoring utility because coretemp shows the die temp (not the cpu external temp as others would).
BTW, prime95 is what we all know can stress cpu 100%. I wouldnt know how that folding software does. Is it partially stressing cpu or is it 100%? where is task maneger showing cpu usage.

First, easytune5 shows the core temp. If there is some other software you use fine. I already proved my stability point. If you don;t think F@H uses all the cpu, and you won't believe 5-10 people saying so, thats your problem. I already showed you to be a liar, even though you accused me of it. No apology ? No admission ?

I vote for ban, this is rediculous.

You have posted over 7000 and I am sure read at least that many posts by others, but yet you claim you never heard of coretemp utility.
I asked you for prime95 (12 hrs at least) and you show a F@H that I dont know how it stresses cpu and then act as though you never heard of coretemp.
Maybe lying is a hursh term but evasive or deceptive can be more polite.

First 7000 posts over a LONG time doesn't mean I follow every thread. I did find and run coretemp tonight, and it does say 64c (so what). As far as orthos, I don't want to waste the electic bill by not running something productive to prove a troll is wrong. I have 12 boxes, 10 of which are AMD, 6 X2's, 3 single core, and a dual opteron. I don't even have time to track little OC's, so I spend a few minutes, do it, and if it does have a problem, make it slower. Most boxes are OC'ed. I am happy with AMD, but C2D is faster.

And yes, Duvie is right, the C2D boxes are killing my X2 boxes, so I want to convert my farm....Want to buy my X2's ????

 

[OcHungry]

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: OcHungry

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: OcHungry

Originally posted by: Markfw900
OK, here is a 12 hour (or so) stable shot using 2 instances of F@H @ 3500 and the temps are good. 500x7 on an E6300 and PC8000 memory.
right here.
49c isn;t too bad....

Oh wow... talking about evasive action.
where is coreTemp utility? all of a sudden it disapears?
What is the coretemp reading? 69c?, 75c? It is the general knowledge that coretemp is ~ 12-15c higher than any other temp monitoring utility because coretemp shows the die temp (not the cpu external temp as others would).
BTW, prime95 is what we all know can stress cpu 100%. I wouldnt know how that folding software does. Is it partially stressing cpu or is it 100%? where is task maneger showing cpu usage.

First, easytune5 shows the core temp. If there is some other software you use fine. I already proved my stability point. If you don;t think F@H uses all the cpu, and you won't believe 5-10 people saying so, thats your problem. I already showed you to be a liar, even though you accused me of it. No apology ? No admission ?

I vote for ban, this is rediculous.

You have posted over 7000 and I am sure read at least that many posts by others, but yet you claim you never heard of coretemp utility.
I asked you for prime95 (12 hrs at least) and you show a F@H that I dont know how it stresses cpu and then act as though you never heard of coretemp.
Maybe lying is a hursh term but evasive or deceptive can be more polite.

First 7000 posts over a LONG time doesn't mean I follow every thread. I did find and run coretemp tonight, and it does say 64c (so what). As far as orthos, I don't want to waste the electic bill by not running something productive to prove a troll is wrong. I have 12 boxes, 10 of which are AMD, 6 X2's, 3 single core, and a dual opteron. I don't even have time to track little OC's, so I spend a few minutes, do it, and if it does have a problem, make it slower. Most boxes are OC'ed. I am happy with AMD, but C2D is faster.

And yes, Duvie is right, the C2D boxes are killing my X2 boxes, so I want to convert my farm....Want to buy my X2's ????

Ok man, now that you admit 64c on that C2D you've got, I forgive you and take back any harsh word(s) said to you. You know, it's not hard to admit wrongs and be truthful to yourself. You will be at peace w/ your soul when you are truthful and admit wrong(s).
I don?t doubt that your C2D can OC to 3.5 GHz and I don?t doubt that there are others who have such good OCer C2D. What bugs me is when people claim something that is far from reality. Yes there are some good OCers out there, but the poster was being misled on this stellar overclocking and performance. The thing is I don?t make up stories. I am not that way. I have read many posts here and in other forums by those AMD old timers that claimed their move to C2D was premature and should have not spent so much because they already had top performing AMD system, and the improvement was/were abysmal. As matter of fact I have read thread by an AMD old timer (@ OCforums.com) that he had sold his C2D E6700 and bought back an X2, had some money returned to him, and was very happy doing so. That was what I was trying to relay to that poster who already had a good AMD setup and all he needed was a CPU replacement. I would be feeling really bad if I mislead a person. The thought of that person blaming me for the wrong decision is unbearable.
Anyway, I am sorry and apologies if I have hurt your feeling.

 

[Conky]

Originally posted by: OcHungry

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: OcHungry

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: OcHungry

Originally posted by: Markfw900
OK, here is a 12 hour (or so) stable shot using 2 instances of F@H @ 3500 and the temps are good. 500x7 on an E6300 and PC8000 memory.
right here.
49c isn;t too bad....

Oh wow... talking about evasive action.
where is coreTemp utility? all of a sudden it disapears?
What is the coretemp reading? 69c?, 75c? It is the general knowledge that coretemp is ~ 12-15c higher than any other temp monitoring utility because coretemp shows the die temp (not the cpu external temp as others would).
BTW, prime95 is what we all know can stress cpu 100%. I wouldnt know how that folding software does. Is it partially stressing cpu or is it 100%? where is task maneger showing cpu usage.

First, easytune5 shows the core temp. If there is some other software you use fine. I already proved my stability point. If you don;t think F@H uses all the cpu, and you won't believe 5-10 people saying so, thats your problem. I already showed you to be a liar, even though you accused me of it. No apology ? No admission ?

I vote for ban, this is rediculous.

You have posted over 7000 and I am sure read at least that many posts by others, but yet you claim you never heard of coretemp utility.
I asked you for prime95 (12 hrs at least) and you show a F@H that I dont know how it stresses cpu and then act as though you never heard of coretemp.
Maybe lying is a hursh term but evasive or deceptive can be more polite.

First 7000 posts over a LONG time doesn't mean I follow every thread. I did find and run coretemp tonight, and it does say 64c (so what). As far as orthos, I don't want to waste the electic bill by not running something productive to prove a troll is wrong. I have 12 boxes, 10 of which are AMD, 6 X2's, 3 single core, and a dual opteron. I don't even have time to track little OC's, so I spend a few minutes, do it, and if it does have a problem, make it slower. Most boxes are OC'ed. I am happy with AMD, but C2D is faster.

And yes, Duvie is right, the C2D boxes are killing my X2 boxes, so I want to convert my farm....Want to buy my X2's ????

Ok man, now that you admit 64c on that C2D you've got, I forgive you and take back any harsh word(s) said to you. You know, it's not hard to admit wrongs and be truthful to yourself. You will be at peace w/ your soul when you are truthful and admit wrong(s).
I don?t doubt that your C2D can OC to 3.5 GHz and I don?t doubt that there are others who have such good OCer C2D. What bugs me is when people claim something that is far from reality. Yes there are some good OCers out there, but the poster was being misled on this stellar overclocking and performance. The thing is I don?t make up stories. I am not that way. I have read many posts here and in other forums by those AMD old timers that claimed their move to C2D was premature and should have not spent so much because they already had top performing AMD system, and the improvement was/were abysmal. As matter of fact I have read thread by an AMD old timer (@ OCforums.com) that he had sold his C2D E6700 and bought back an X2, had some money returned to him, and was very happy doing so. That was what I was trying to relay to that poster who already had a good AMD setup and all he needed was a CPU replacement. I would be feeling really bad if I mislead a person. The thought of that person blaming me for the wrong decision is unbearable.
Anyway, I am sorry and apologies if I have hurt your feeling.

You are full of ******. This is probably the first and last time anyone will ever see me swear on this forum.

Nobody ever downgraded from an E6700 to an X2 and felt good about it.

When will you stop your incessant lies?

 

[harpoon84]

I'd like to see the thread where an 'AMD old timer' downgraded from an E6700 to an X2. I read OCforums too, but I've never come across such a thread. Perhaps I missed it,

Post the link please. I'd like to see for myself. Shouldn't be that hard, if you're not lieing...

 

[Technonut]

I repeat: It?s a lie people claiming 3.5 GHz w/ C2D 24/7 and prime stable.

Funny... I have been running @ 3.7GHz 24/7 for quite awhile now. (watercooled) If you take the time to click the link in my sig, you can see my imaginary 25 hour Orthos run.


Duvie and Markfw900: If you have not noticed, this forum has much changed over the last year or so, and idiots abound. That is why I do not post much these days. Don't let it get to you.

 

[harpoon84]

Some interesting comments from OCforums where OcHungry claims people are 'realising their mistakes and are downgrading from C2D to X2'.

http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=488010

LOL

Luckily the people at OCforums aren't as deluded as he claims them to be.