CA effectively bans semiautomatic handgun sales by 2015

[schneiderguy]

http://www.calgunsfoundation.org/roster/

The CA DOJ has recently been requiring manufacturers to retest their guns upon renewal of their spot on the "Approved Handgun Roster". Previously, a gun model needed to only be tested once, and then could be renewed without retesting indefinitely.

Since CA DOJ now believes that "microstamping" technology is viable, all semiautomatics that are tested must have microstamping, or they will be denied. Zero guns that are commercially available today have this technology. All guns currently on the roster will drop from the roster by 2015.

Note that there are zero guns that have been recently approved, and hundreds of guns that have recently dropped off:

http://certguns.doj.ca.gov/

Ruger, the largest manufacturer of small arms in the US has already announced that they are pulling out of the CA market:

We are now being forced to retest all of our guns (pistols and double
action revolvers) as their time on the roster expires. And we are having
them all retested. But we cannot meet the micro-stamping requirement for
the pistols. These guns are passing all the tests they passed the first
time around, but there is no technology that can pass the micro-stamping
requirement, so the CADOJ is refusing to recertify the pistols and
consequently they are not getting renewed on the list. The CADOJ will not
even accept the data from the test labs that shows the guns passed every
test except the microstamping.

The net result is that the double-action revolvers are getting renewed on
the list, and the pistols are not. But we are trying everything we can to
get them back on the list.

The supposed benefit of microstamping is that a spent casing can be matched the gun that fired it. Unfortunately the proponents of this technology don't seem to understand that shooting ranges have thousands of spent casings lying on the ground, just waiting for someone to pick them up. Also, the stamp could easily be ground off of the firing pin by someone with a metal file and two minutes of time.

Is this what "reasonable" and "intelligent" gun control is? :hmm:

 

[row]

...Is this what "reasonable" and "intelligent" gun control is? :hmm:

why. yes. yes it is. considering the people that put it together.

as an aside, for those stuck in california i suggest investing in the very best 3D printer you can afford.

 

[Fern]

Given the sheer number of handguns (and the small size of a firing pin) I'm surprised they can vary the pattern of the microstamp sufficiently to avoiding repeating patterns.

Fern

 

[piasabird]

They have lots of guns in nevada and texas. Nothing like a black market to raise the price of guns and ammunition.

 

[piasabird]

Nothing like a bolt action rifle.

Didnt Bronson in one of the Death Wish movies have a really powerful bolt action handgun? He even had a name for it. Only took one shot.

I guess I am wrong that was a Wildey .475 with a long barrel.

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Death_Wish_3

 

[shortylickens]

I hope all the manufacturers pull out of California. When the crime rate shoots up and people lynch their congressmen then this issue will be laid to rest for good.

 

[Fern]

CA effectively bans semiautomatic handgun sales by 2015

I think it will just mean that they get more expensive.

If the manufacturers won't microstamp the pins somebody else will have a bunch manufactured, buy the guns from Ruger etc and install the new pins. Then they'll sell them to dealers at a nice mark up.

Fern

 

[DucatiMonster696]

I think it will just mean that they get more expensive.

If the manufacturers won't microstamp the pins somebody else will have a bunch manufactured, buy the guns from Ruger etc and install the new pins. Then they'll sell them to dealers at a nice mark up.

Fern

Of which this will have zero impact on the criminal element in society.

 

[Pray To Jesus]

Isn't this unconstitutional? Wait and see.

 

[Fern]

Of which this will have zero impact on the criminal element in society.

You're right; it won't.

I've posted stuff from the expert on the subject that teaches LE etc. He stats show criminals almost never acquire guns legally.

Fern

 

[ivwshane]

Sounds good to me! /s

Does it stop anyone from getting a gun? No.

I liken it to all the abortion restriction laws that have been passed by republicans, it was done the same way and I didn't hear a fucking peep from any of you.

This is the democracy you approved of and now when it's about something you hold near and dear and it's used against "you" you cry about it.

Well, I told you so

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=34881427&postcount=18


http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=34913928&postcount=61

 

[DucatiMonster696]

Sounds good to me! /s

Does it stop anyone from getting a gun? No.

I liken it to all the abortion restriction laws that have been passed by republicans, it was done the same way and I didn't hear a fucking peep from any of you.

This is the democracy you approved of and now when it's about something you hold near and dear and it's used against "you" you cry about it.

Well, I told you so

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=34881427&postcount=18


http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=34913928&postcount=61

From whom exactly? You're generalizing and projecting big time. Then again this thread isn't about abortion is it? Nice derail attempt.

 

[Fern]

Sounds good to me! /s

Does it stop anyone from getting a gun? No.

I liken it to all the abortion restriction laws that have been passed by republicans, it was done the same way and I didn't hear a fucking peep from any of you.

This is the democracy you approved of and now when it's about something you hold near and dear and it's used against "you" you cry about it.

Well, I told you so

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=34881427&postcount=18


http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=34913928&postcount=61

Liberals have been using this tactic with regards to guns forever. The surprising part was when the anti-abortion side started using it you guys screamed like stuck pigs.

Fern

 

[ivwshane]

Liberals have been using this tactic with regards to guns forever. The surprising part was when the anti-abortion side started using it you guys screamed like stuck pigs.

Fern

You made that claim the last time I brought up this issue and when I asked you for examples you never responded again.

Do you have examples (besides this one) of liberals doing the same thing with guns?

 

[Nebor]

Sounds good to me! /s

Does it stop anyone from getting a gun? No.

I liken it to all the abortion restriction laws that have been passed by republicans, it was done the same way and I didn't hear a fucking peep from any of you.

This is the democracy you approved of and now when it's about something you hold near and dear and it's used against "you" you cry about it.

Well, I told you so

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=34881427&postcount=18


http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=34913928&postcount=61

We had huge threads about the abortion laws, particularly the Texas one.

 

[rudder]

The guns used in crime that will have micro stamping will be stolen ones. Gangbangers won't pay the higher cost and they don't buy guns through legal channels anyway.

 

[shortylickens]

The guns used in crime that will have micro stamping will be stolen ones. Gangbangers won't pay the higher cost and they don't buy guns through legal channels anyway.

could they also scrape it off with a grinder or file?

 

[Brovane]

What will be interesting if all the Semi-automatic hand-guns are no longer able to be sold if their will be a exemption for Law Enforcement. See the contortions that the state will go through to try and justify LE being able to buy semi-automatic handguns without micro-stamping but civilians will not be so lucky.

 

[Moonbeam]

Everybody in California is too busy having lattes downloading apps and enjoying the sun to care. What the fuck is a gun. The biggest question a Californian would have about guns is if gun oil is good for wrinkles.

 

[Nebor]

What will be interesting if all the Semi-automatic hand-guns are no longer able to be sold if their will be a exemption for Law Enforcement. See the contortions that the state will go through to try and justify LE being able to buy semi-automatic handguns without micro-stamping but civilians will not be so lucky.

Just as LE can buy any of the currently banned handguns or assault weapons in CA, NY or elsewhere.

 

[drebo]

This is BS, anyway. I doubt it's possible to get enough recognizable patterns out of a firing pin. This is just CA making up an impossible technology and saying "guns have to have it or you can't sell them."

It's no different than if CA said "guns have to be genetically coded to the buyer and can't be fired by anyone else in order to be sold."

 

[Brovane]

Just as LE can buy any of the currently banned handguns or assault weapons in CA, NY or elsewhere.

Yes - With how cops shoot I am much more concerned about a Cop with a high capacity magazine than I am of a civilian.

 

[Venix]

Microstamping can be trivially defeated by filing the face of the firing pin, or using a brass catcher, or picking up your brass, or stealing a gun, or using a revolver, or...

Seriously, how stupid do you have to be to think this is a good idea that will reduce crime?

 

[ivwshane]

Microstamping can be trivially defeated by filing the face of the firing pin, or using a brass catcher, or picking up your brass, or stealing a gun, or using a revolver, or...

Seriously, how stupid do you have to be to think this is a good idea that will reduce crime?

Exactly how smart do you think your average criminal is? If they are committing crimes in the first place, they probably aren't too bright.

Maybe you gun nutters could come up with real solutions and pugs for those solutions instead of always complaining when the anti gun folks come up with their own solutions.

 

[OCGuy]

This needs to be implemented by the DOJ so that the Federalis can slap then down.

This State is out of control, and needs a reminder.

The "Roster" is already the subject of a lawsuit, and anything like in the OP will be granted an injunction by the Federal courts, even the 9th Circuit.