CA effectively bans semiautomatic handgun sales by 2015

[Venix]

Exactly how smart do you think your average criminal is? If they are committing crimes in the first place, they probably aren't too bright.

Maybe you gun nutters could come up with real solutions and pugs for those solutions instead of always complaining when the anti gun folks come up with their own solutions.

They're bright enough to not use their own legally-purchased guns, rendering microstamping useless. Most crime guns are acquired through straw purchases, and most of the rest are stolen.

Violent crime has been declining for two decades. There is no need for yet another expensive, ineffective feel-good law to "solve" a problem that's already being controlled, particularly when it will significantly impact law-abiding citizens by increasing prices and reducing (or completely eliminating) selection. A stupid solution is worse than no solution, and something that can be defeated dozens of ways with little or no effort is pretty stupid.

Do you genuinely believe that this will reduce crime, or is it just that you enjoy seeing the "other side" get screwed?

 

[ivwshane]

They're bright enough to not use their own legally-purchased guns, rendering microstamping useless. Most crime guns are acquired through straw purchases, and most of the rest are stolen.

Violent crime has been declining for two decades. There is no need for yet another expensive, ineffective feel-good law to "solve" a problem that's already being controlled, particularly when it will significantly impact law-abiding citizens by increasing prices and reducing (or completely eliminating) selection. A stupid solution is worse than no solution, and something that can be defeated dozens of ways with little or no effort is pretty stupid.

Do you genuinely believe that this will reduce crime, or is it just that you enjoy seeing the "other side" get screwed?

I asked for solutions, do you have any? Obviously there is an issue that needs to be addressed, you even pointed out one.

I'm for smart, efficient solutions, either bring some to the table or deal with what you get.

 

[Spungo]

I hope all the manufacturers pull out of California. When the crime rate shoots up and people lynch their congressmen then this issue will be laid to rest for good.

You don't understand California. Their solution to failed government policies is always more failed government policies.

Microstamping can be trivially defeated by filing the face of the firing pin, or using a brass catcher, or picking up your brass, or stealing a gun, or using a revolver, or...

Seriously, how stupid do you have to be to think this is a good idea that will reduce crime?

Fire some rounds with your friend.
Collect his brass.
Frame him for murder.
Find a new friend.

 

[Venix]

I asked for solutions, do you have any? Obviously there is an issue that needs to be addressed, you even pointed out one.

I'm for smart, efficient solutions, either bring some to the table or deal with what you get.

A solution to what? The non-existent crime epidemic? Gun theft? I'm not clear on what "problem" you're referencing.

The solution to violent crime is to do nothing and watch it continue to drop as it has for over 20 years. Ending the war on drugs would probably accelerate the process.

It's disturbing that some people would actually support an expensive, ineffective law that screws law-abiding citizens just for the sake of "doing something."

 

[Pray To Jesus]

I asked for solutions, do you have any? Obviously there is an issue that needs to be addressed, you even pointed out one.

I'm for smart, efficient solutions, either bring some to the table or deal with what you get.

For your stupidity and ignorance? A good way is for you to go read a book. Any book.

 

[ivwshane]

A solution to what? The non-existent crime epidemic? Gun theft? I'm not clear on what "problem" you're referencing.

The solution to violent crime is to do nothing and watch it continue to drop as it has for over 20 years. Ending the war on drugs would probably accelerate the process.

It's disturbing that some people would actually support an expensive, ineffective law that screws law-abiding citizens just for the sake of "doing something."

Do you have any ideas why crime has been going down? Are we just not as violent as we used to be?

Or do you just not think of things like that? You know, the ignorance is bliss, type?

 

[ivwshane]

For your stupidity and ignorance? A good way is for you to go read a book. Any book.

Lol! I'll skip any advice you are giving out. Thanks

You are just a tad smarter than incorruptible and your posts are just as incoherent

 

[Venix]

Do you have any ideas why crime has been going down? Are we just not as violent as we used to be?

Or do you just not think of things like that? You know, the ignorance is bliss, type?

It's widely known that improved policing techniques, increased incarceration, the end of the crack epidemic, and tons of other factors have contributed to the drop in crime.

You really are an obnoxious, childish little shit. I'm sorry I wasted my time trying to have an actual discussion.

 

[boomerang]

Lol! I'll skip any advice you are giving out. Thanks

You are just a tad smarter than incorruptible and your posts are just as incoherent

Have you got a link to solutions your country is using you could share with us?

 

[TheVrolok]

Microstamping? What a joke.

 

[velillen]

Isn't this unconstitutional? Wait and see.

Once it finally gets to the supreme court it should be deemed unconstitutional. Micro stamping is not in common practice and in fact no manufacturer even does it (to my knowledge) so it is a direct violation of a persons 2nd amendment right.

Course itll take 2 years to be over ruled and by then who knows what else CA will have passed.

 

[HumblePie]

Given the sheer number of handguns (and the small size of a firing pin) I'm surprised they can vary the pattern of the microstamp sufficiently to avoiding repeating patterns.

Fern

They can't. It's better than current "ballistic" testing the cops have been using in court for years to convict people of crimes though. Which is to believe that the grove imparted by the rifling pattern in a barrel is somehow "unique" to an individual firearm. hocus pocus bullshit.

 

[senseamp]

There goes my dream of a well regulated liberal militia.

 

[PrinceofWands]

It'll just mean more lawsuits that CA will lose at a cost of millions to taxpayers. Meanwhile the anti-gun nazis are pushing people into tighter and tighter corners, ensuring that sooner, rather than later, they're going to come out fighting.

 

[TreVader]

Los Angeles here. So this is supposed to upset me/us? I'm glad they're forcing hicks to register their guns. I'm glad they're forcing people to jump through hoops to get them.


The only reason I ever even hear about guns is because some maniac murders children at his school or some jackass shot his wife/son/daughter. They do absolutely nothing for anybody and they have zero business in a state where nobody hunts.


This is just another ploy by the gun shops to get you idiots in there buying more of their crap... "OH NO DEY TAKIN OUR GUNNZZ!!!"


edit: BTW IMO even touching a gun should require a COMPREHENSIVE psych evaluation and background check. Ever been arrested? NO GUN FOR YOU. Have a drug addict or mentally ill family member? NO GUN FOR YOU. Ever seen a psychologist? NO GUN FOR YOU

 

[PrinceofWands]

Los Angeles here. So this is supposed to upset me/us? I'm glad they're forcing hicks to register their guns. I'm glad they're forcing people to jump through hoops to get them.

The only reason I ever even hear about guns is because some maniac murders children at his school or some jackass shot his wife/son/daughter. They do absolutely nothing for anybody and they have zero business in a state where nobody hunts.

This is just another ploy by the gun shops to get you idiots in there buying more of their crap... "OH NO DEY TAKIN OUR GUNNZZ!!!"

Of course you're factually wrong in everything you say, but more than welcome to your opinion. Just don't be surprised if those that disagree with you, and are tired of you trying to make them slaves, one day rise up and forcibly remove all who feel like you from any form of power/influence...or possibly even from existing.

 

[Incorruptible]

Lol! I'll skip any advice you are giving out. Thanks

You are just a tad smarter than incorruptible and your posts are just as incoherent

What's your obsession with me you scumbag? I am smarter than you and I don't troll like you.

 

[ivwshane]

It's widely known that improved policing techniques, increased incarceration, the end of the crack epidemic, and tons of other factors have contributed to the drop in crime.

You really are an obnoxious, childish little shit. I'm sorry I wasted my time trying to have an actual discussion.

Sound like good info, I'll take a link to that source!

 

[schneiderguy]

This is just another ploy by the gun shops to get you idiots in there buying more of their crap... "OH NO DEY TAKIN OUR GUNNZZ!!!"

You're right. A law passed by the California Legislature and enforced by the California Department of Justice, which will likely put most gun stores out of business, is just a ploy by those gun stores to get a small increase in customers for six months.

edit: BTW IMO even touching a gun should require a COMPREHENSIVE psych evaluation and background check. Ever been arrested? NO GUN FOR YOU. Have a drug addict or mentally ill family member? NO GUN FOR YOU. Ever seen a psychologist? NO GUN FOR YOU

Mentally retarded? NO INTERNET FOR YOU. Only in my dreams

 

[Spungo]

BTW IMO even touching a gun should require a COMPREHENSIVE psych evaluation and background check.

I said this about voting and people said I was racist :'(

 

[Fern]

You made that claim the last time I brought up this issue and when I asked you for examples you never responded again.

Do you have examples (besides this one) of liberals doing the same thing with guns?

Srsly?

Just google gun restrictions etc and you'll get a large list.

I'll tell you about one that has affected me. In NC if you want to purchase a handgun you must personally appear at the Sheriff's office and pay a fee and fill out paperwork to get a permit to purchase. Without the permit a gun dealer cannot sell you a handgun. It takes about a week or so to get your permit. They'll call you and you must go back to the Sheriff's office and pick it up.

Now, some may say this is for background checks. But, uh, doesn't the federal govt already do a background check before you can buy a handgun? Of course they do.

But here's the best part: A permit allows you to buy ONLY one handgun. Now why would that be? I mean, if you passed the background check you should be able to buy more than one handgun at a time. Why must we have to pay and get a separate permit for each dang gun?

Just to make it a PITA.

Fern

 

[moonbogg]

Its designed to reduce handguns in California. The goal is to make it unreasonably difficult to sell hand guns in California. People should stop pretending that this is about crime prevention. This is an unapologetic attempt to reduce handguns in the state.

 

[WackyDan]

Srsly?

Just google gun restrictions etc and you'll get a large list.

I'll tell you about one that has affected me. In NC if you want to purchase a handgun you must personally appear at the Sheriff's office and pay a fee and fill out paperwork to get a permit to purchase. Without the permit a gun dealer cannot sell you a handgun. It takes about a week or so to get your permit. They'll call you and you must go back to the Sheriff's office and pick it up.

Now, some may say this is for background checks. But, uh, doesn't the federal govt already do a background check before you can buy a handgun? Of course they do.

But here's the best part: A permit allows you to buy ONLY one handgun. Now why would that be? I mean, if you passed the background check you should be able to buy more than one handgun at a time. Why must we have to pay and get a separate permit for each dang gun?

Just to make it a PITA.

Fern

I live in NC too. You can get multiple permits for purchase and they stay valid for a long time.

I have the same issue with NC in this regard... They are essentially ensuring they collect a tax from you and my experience was that it took at least 30 days for the permits to clear. Those permits stay valid a long time, so I always thought it funny that I would walk into a dealer with a four month old purchase permit and they never did the background check because I had this old piece of paper that said the county checked.

What I suggest you do, is get your NC CCW which effectively becomes your purchase permit and you won't have a need to go to the sheriffs office to pay your tax every time or wait for them to process it.

 

[1prophet]

Los Angeles here. So this is supposed to upset me/us? I'm glad they're forcing hicks to register their guns. I'm glad they're forcing people to jump through hoops to get them.


The only reason I ever even hear about guns is because some maniac murders children at his school or some jackass shot his wife/son/daughter. They do absolutely nothing for anybody and they have zero business in a state where nobody hunts.


This is just another ploy by the gun shops to get you idiots in there buying more of their crap... "OH NO DEY TAKIN OUR GUNNZZ!!!"


edit: BTW IMO even touching a gun should require a COMPREHENSIVE psych evaluation and background check. Ever been arrested? NO GUN FOR YOU. Have a drug addict or mentally ill family member? NO GUN FOR YOU. Ever seen a psychologist? NO GUN FOR YOU

Your spouse just passed away, you go see a psychologist to get some counseling, the state finds out about your counseling and they send the storm troopers A.K.A the police to confiscate any guns and forbid you to own any guns, no gun for you.

You were arrested for a marijuana joint but it was tossed out because you proved it was your friends, no gun for you.

Your brother whom you rarely see in another state is in rehab, no gun for you.

TreVader loses an argument with you, he calls the police says you are a crazy person, no gun for you

 

[TreVader]

You're right. A law passed by the California Legislature and enforced by the California Department of Justice, which will likely put most gun stores out of business, is just a ploy by those gun stores to get a small increase in customers for six months.



Mentally retarded? NO INTERNET FOR YOU. Only in my dreams

What kind of idiot are you? I was referring to the article and the sensationalism surrounding this law. The law is designed to protects idiots (like you) from shooting your various idiot family members when you mistake them for burglars, that or ending your own pathetic lives.

The sensationalism surrounding the law is designed to increase sales. Hicks are such simpletons. They expect the world to end every time they put a law saying "you can no longer buy hand grenades". OH NO! BUT I USE HAND GRENADES TO FISH! HOW WILL I FEED MY FAMILY WITHOUT HAND GRENADES!