CA Residents: Prop 1, what are you voting?

Ns1

No Lifer
Jun 17, 2001
55,414
1,574
126
I'm voting NO cuz this does nothing to help the state when there is no rain and building more dams/reservoirs may have unintended consequences (ref: Aral Sea).

What about you?

California Proposition 1, the Water Bond (Assembly Bill 1471), is on the November 4, 2014, ballot in California as a legislatively-referred bond act. This measure replaced a previous measure known as Proposition 43.[1]
The measure, upon voter approval, would enact the Water Quality, Supply, and Infrastructure Improvement Act of 2014. Proposal 1, if approved, would:[2]
Authorize $7.12 billion in general obligation bonds for state water supply infrastructure projects, such as public water system improvements, surface and groundwater storage, drinking water protection, water recycling and advanced water treatment technology, water supply management and conveyance, wastewater treatment, drought relief, emergency water supplies, and ecosystem and watershed protection and restoration.
Appropriate money from the General Fund to pay off bonds.
Require certain projects to provide matching funds from non-state sources in order to receive bond funds.
Specific spending proposals in the proposition include:[2]
$520 million to improve water quality for “beneficial use,” for reducing and preventing drinking water contaminants, disadvantaged communities, and the State Water Pollution Control Revolving Fund Small Community Grant Fund.
$1.495 billion for competitive grants for multibenefit ecosystem and watershed protection and restoration projects.
$810 million for expenditures on, and competitive grants and loans to, integrated regional water management plan projects.
$2.7 billion for water storage projects, dams and reservoirs.
$725 million for water recycling and advanced water treatment technology projects.
$900 million for competitive grants, and loans for, projects to prevent or clean up the contamination of groundwater that serves as a source of drinking water.
$395 million for statewide flood management projects and activities.
Gov. Jerry Brown (D) called on the legislature to replace the previous $11.14 billion bond (Proposition 43) with a cheaper $6 billion bond on June 25, 2014.[3] Brown called the previous water bond "a pork-laden water bond… with a price tag beyond what’s reasonable or affordable."[4] The legislature passed the new $7.12 billion bond on August 13, 2014.
The original water bond was moved twice. Originally certified to be on the state's 2010 ballot, it was removed and placed on the 2012 ballot. On July 5, 2012, the state legislature approved a bill to take the measure off the 2012 ballot and put it on the 2014 ballot.

http://ballotpedia.org/California_Proposition_1,_Water_Bond_(2014)
 

Genx87

Lifer
Apr 8, 2002
41,095
513
126
Looks like a better use of public infrastructure spending than that 100 billion they plan to spend on that train. I'd think given the water situation. This is a wise move to address this issue.
 

Ns1

No Lifer
Jun 17, 2001
55,414
1,574
126
Looks like a better use of public infrastructure spending than that 100 billion they plan to spend on that train. I'd think given the water situation. This is a wise move to address this issue.

That is a separate issue entirely and one reason why I want to vote for the other dude.

F- Brown's crazy train to nowhere.
 

row

Senior member
May 28, 2013
314
0
71
will vote no and pray that the drought continues for a couple more years. the end result being that all the idiot leftists that moved here over that last 50 year will go back to where ever they came from, returning california to the pristine and semi lucid state it once was.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
32,333
15,128
136
will vote no and pray that the drought continues for a couple more years. the end result being that all the idiot leftists that moved here over that last 50 year will go back to where ever they came from, returning california to the pristine and semi lucid state it once was.

Now all you need is an ISIS avatar and to use the word infidel in every other scentence!

I haven't read the pros or cons but claiming a damn or reservoir doesn't do anything when there is no rain sounds like a retarded argument.
 

Ns1

No Lifer
Jun 17, 2001
55,414
1,574
126
I haven't read the pros or cons but claiming a damn or reservoir doesn't do anything when there is no rain sounds like a retarded argument.

Then make a counter-point worth reading.
 

Greenman

Lifer
Oct 15, 1999
20,642
5,329
136
So it looks like 2.7 of the 7.12 billion will actually be used to improve water storage, with the rest going out as pork.

That's actually not bad for California. Though I'd be willing to bet a very big chunk of that 2.7 billion will be used to pay for studies and consultants.
 

row

Senior member
May 28, 2013
314
0
71
Now all you need is an ISIS avatar and to use the word infidel in every other scentence!

sounds like a plan, i'll consider it as soon as you learn to spell. on the other hand your posts possess a certain odor. so maybe you're making a joke?

I haven't read the pros or cons but claiming a damn or reservoir doesn't do anything when there is no rain sounds like a retarded argument.

i suppose a couple new dams or reservoirs might have some usefulness...it just won't be holding water. cause. there. isn't. any. :whiste:

speaking of developmental disabilities.

on a more serious note let the la basin find their own water, they can start by evicting the 7 or 8 million illegals who live there, that should save a couple of glasses. then they can then build desalination plants.
 
Last edited:

Zaap

Diamond Member
Jun 12, 2008
7,162
424
126
will vote no and pray that the drought continues for a couple more years. the end result being that all the idiot leftists that moved here over that last 50 year will go back to where ever they came from, returning california to the pristine and semi lucid state it once was.

Haha we can keep hoping, but unfortunately they're like roaches. They just keep scurrying in and stinking up the state. In just 30 years or so they've turned much of it into a total shithole.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
32,333
15,128
136
Then make a counter-point worth reading.

Oh I did make a counter point and it was on the same level as your original point. If my response was lacking substance it's only because I wasn't responding to anything of substance
 

ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
32,333
15,128
136
sounds like a plan, i'll consider it as soon as you learn to spell. on the other hand your posts possess a certain odor. so maybe you're making a joke?

You aren't a very good grammar nazi if you missed my biggest error damn does not equal dam. Oh well I guess no one is perfect.


i suppose a couple new dams or reservoirs might have some usefulness...it just won't be holding water. cause. there. isn't. any. :whiste:

speaking of developmental disabilities.

on a more serious note let the la basin find their own water, they can start by evicting the 7 or 8 million illegals who live there, that should save a couple of glasses. then they can then build desalination plants.

If your argument is that a desalination plant is the smarter plan, I can't argue that.
 

Slew Foot

Lifer
Sep 22, 2005
12,381
96
86
So it looks like 2.7 of the 7.12 billion will actually be used to improve water storage, with the rest going out as pork.

That's actually not bad for California. Though I'd be willing to bet a very big chunk of that 2.7 billion will be used to pay for studies and consultants.


Who are related to some politican.
 

Moonbeam

Elite Member
Nov 24, 1999
72,700
6,198
126
Prop one is a political compromise. It contains stuff that some will like and not like whereas others may feel just the opposite, liking what others don't and not liking what others do. It is probably the best that could be passed with enough votes from democrats and republicans. I wii hold my nose and vote for it.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
32,333
15,128
136
Prop one is a political compromise. It contains stuff that some will like and not like whereas others may feel just the opposite, liking what others don't and not liking what others do. It is probably the best that could be passed with enough votes from democrats and republicans. I wii hold my nose and vote for it.

Why would dems, who hold a majority need to compromise with republicans?
 

runzwithsizorz

Diamond Member
Jan 24, 2002
3,500
14
76
So it looks like 2.7 of the 7.12 billion will actually be used to improve water storage, with the rest going out as pork.

That's actually not bad for California. Though I'd be willing to bet a very big chunk of that 2.7 billion will be used to pay for studies and consultants.
Yep, you nailed it, PORK. Only 1 quarter of very dollar collected actually makes the trip to where it was supposed to go. Just look at their education system, (I had a front row seat,btw). San Diego DID have a desalination plant, it could have been easily expanded, AND linked to 2 reservoirs near by. Those reservoirs could have had their capacities expanded by at least 2 million gallons each. But what did they do? they boxed it up, and gave it to Mexico.
"Studies and consultants", you nailed it yet again. Over ONE HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS has been spent to study a new airport in San Diego. Heck, for that price I could have expanded the current trolley out to a plot of land, and laid down a million sq.ft. of concrete. They haven't even laid the 1/2 mile of track over to the current airport. That's one hell of a strong taxi cab union right there folks!
 

piasabird

Lifer
Feb 6, 2002
17,168
60
91
The devil is in the details. In California and some other places like Colorado, the government can control things like what you do with rainwater that falls on your roof and make it illegal to collect it for later use. They could outlaw homeowners from washing their cars or changing their oil.

Beware what kind of laws you approve!
 
sale-70-410-exam    | Exam-200-125-pdf    | we-sale-70-410-exam    | hot-sale-70-410-exam    | Latest-exam-700-603-Dumps    | Dumps-98-363-exams-date    | Certs-200-125-date    | Dumps-300-075-exams-date    | hot-sale-book-C8010-726-book    | Hot-Sale-200-310-Exam    | Exam-Description-200-310-dumps?    | hot-sale-book-200-125-book    | Latest-Updated-300-209-Exam    | Dumps-210-260-exams-date    | Download-200-125-Exam-PDF    | Exam-Description-300-101-dumps    | Certs-300-101-date    | Hot-Sale-300-075-Exam    | Latest-exam-200-125-Dumps    | Exam-Description-200-125-dumps    | Latest-Updated-300-075-Exam    | hot-sale-book-210-260-book    | Dumps-200-901-exams-date    | Certs-200-901-date    | Latest-exam-1Z0-062-Dumps    | Hot-Sale-1Z0-062-Exam    | Certs-CSSLP-date    | 100%-Pass-70-383-Exams    | Latest-JN0-360-real-exam-questions    | 100%-Pass-4A0-100-Real-Exam-Questions    | Dumps-300-135-exams-date    | Passed-200-105-Tech-Exams    | Latest-Updated-200-310-Exam    | Download-300-070-Exam-PDF    | Hot-Sale-JN0-360-Exam    | 100%-Pass-JN0-360-Exams    | 100%-Pass-JN0-360-Real-Exam-Questions    | Dumps-JN0-360-exams-date    | Exam-Description-1Z0-876-dumps    | Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps    | Dumps-HPE0-Y53-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-HPE0-Y53-Exam    | 100%-Pass-HPE0-Y53-Real-Exam-Questions    | Pass-4A0-100-Exam    | Latest-4A0-100-Questions    | Dumps-98-365-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-98-365-Exam    | 100%-Pass-VCS-254-Exams    | 2017-Latest-VCS-273-Exam    | Dumps-200-355-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-300-320-Exam    | Pass-300-101-Exam    | 100%-Pass-300-115-Exams    |
http://www.portvapes.co.uk/    | http://www.portvapes.co.uk/    |