Cable Internet Account Suspended

[Lonyo]

Originally posted by: Eeezee

Originally posted by: Kalvin00

Originally posted by: Zach
I agree with Spidey about it being abuse. 50G/month is like saturating low end DSL 24h/d, 7 days a week. That does seem excessive.

156.5kb/s / 8b/B = 19.5kB/s
19.5 kB/s * 60s/1m = 1170kB/m
1170kB/m * 60m/1h * 24h/d * 31d/m = 52228800kB/month
52228800kB/month * 1m/1024k * 1g/1024m = roughly 50gB/month

What? Since when is low end DSL set at 150 down? 1500 maybe... in which case that is 187kB/s, which is about 15GB per day if you max it out all the time..

Seriously, the cheapest DSL plan in my area is 1500 down. The next one up is 3000. I don't know where the hell Zach is getting those numbers because it seems that he just plucked them from thing air.

He's basing it on DSL running at 150kbit/s. Which is 1/10 of the slowest speed you can get.
Which makes no sense.
The slowest DSL I've ever seen is 256kbit/s up and down.

 

[The Batt?sai]

Originally posted by: Eeezee

Originally posted by: The Battosai

Originally posted by: Warthog912

Originally posted by: Zach
I agree with Spidey about it being abuse. 50G/month is like saturating low end DSL 24h/d, 7 days a week. That does seem excessive.

156.5kb/s / 8b/B = 19.5kB/s
19.5 kB/s * 60s/1m = 1170kB/m
1170kB/m * 60m/1h * 24h/d * 31d/m = 52228800kB/month
52228800kB/month * 1m/1024k * 1g/1024m = roughly 50gB/month

Gimme a break. I'll hit that limit LEGALLY in ~10 Days or so on my ~3meg DSL.

i have 5 meg down and 2 meg up of cox cable. whats the max if i maxed it out every second for a month?

Uhm, use math the same way that Zach did?

Roughly it works out to 1.5 terrabytes/month assuming I didn't fvck something up

:Q

I only have 838 gigabytes of total storage! :Q

time to buy 2 750 gig seagates

 

[The Batt?sai]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
What service would that be?

Which version of the Internets doesn't have a 50GB limit?

A business class service.

They don't care how much you use, they just sell you a pipe and let you do whatever you want. But a home service can and should have limits. You can't have people raping the ISP and not pay for it.

bull$h!t

if u pay for something thats unlimited, screw any attempts at limits later

 

[The Batt?sai]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Stop using the Internets

That is not allowed in the U.S.

:Q




thats messed up

 

[The Batt?sai]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Which version of the Internets doesn't have a 50GB limit?

My Internets don't.

An old college buddy managed to put a terabyte through his in the span of one month (6MBit DSL, running full speed, 24/7)

Not even a phone call.

- M4H

Wow, your buddy owes at least $59,000 for that month's worth of bandwidth.

:Q

 

[VenomXTF]

Originally posted by: MustangSVT
believe it or not.. i was bored enough to read through all that...

you sound like 15 -_-; or at least it could have been handled better.

but I say cancel it.

Please englighten me. How would you have handled it? Don't forget, other than some of the quotes, I did not write down every part of every conversation, and you have no idea what kind of attitude I was getting. The read would be 30 pages longer then, as I was on the phone for 4 hours with no one at Prolog willing to help or even care a bit.

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: Pacemaker
Why don't they put top end limiters like most cable companies do. It makes a lot more sense then a limit. I bet even with the limit the network slows to a crawl in peak hours, but if they had say a 350k/bs download limit it would be a bit faster.

The cable company in my area sells cable internet by bandwidth not total amount. In other words if you want 100kbs for just surfing and email you pay 30 bucks if you want 250kbs that costs 50 if you want unrestricted that will run 90. This makes much more sense then trying to limit total amount downloaded.

Yeah, thats sort of what adelphia does here too. Man, for all my b|tching about adelphia I guess I didn't know how good I had it in comparison to the sh|t other people have to put up with. They may not give me massive upload and download rates, but at least they don't lie to me about the service I'm receiving either. I'm hoping the comcast buyout doesn't result in policy changes around here.

I was glad when they started offering a cheap, 'slow' cable connection for $20 a regular one for $40 and I think they have a "super fast" one for $60. Most people that want cable internet still just browse web pages so they don't need 5mb down to see the pages...especially since aren't most web servers capped at 200k per connection anyway?

Now if they'd just offer some more upload bandwidth (they've gotten better, but I'd still like to see some packages that even it out)

 

[Skeeedunt]

Originally posted by: Eeezee

Originally posted by: Kalvin00

Originally posted by: Zach
I agree with Spidey about it being abuse. 50G/month is like saturating low end DSL 24h/d, 7 days a week. That does seem excessive.

156.5kb/s / 8b/B = 19.5kB/s
19.5 kB/s * 60s/1m = 1170kB/m
1170kB/m * 60m/1h * 24h/d * 31d/m = 52228800kB/month
52228800kB/month * 1m/1024k * 1g/1024m = roughly 50gB/month

What? Since when is low end DSL set at 150 down? 1500 maybe... in which case that is 187kB/s, which is about 15GB per day if you max it out all the time..

Seriously, the cheapest DSL plan in my area is 1500 down. The next one up is 3000. I don't know where the hell Zach is getting those numbers because it seems that he just plucked them from thing air.

He probably took 50GB/month and started dividing.

 

[chambersc]

Originally posted by: SLCentral

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: VenomXTF
Nice of you to jump the gun Spidey. The letter was not for illegal content, none of which was downloaded.

Cliffs:
Internet gets shut off one day.
Next day tech comes up and removes blocker. Internet still not working.
Call again, get forwarded to 10 different departments/people none of which help.
The internet was shut off for using too much bandwidth. Three letters were supposebly sent, all of which the "post office lost."
After 4 hours on the phone, a manager turns it back on, tells me there is a 50GB limit and it's still the fualt of the post office.
The next day the internet finally works.

Sorry.

50 GB a month is definately abuse. Many large business with a DS3 don't move that much.

Don't want to get shut off? Pay for a higher service.

50GB is def. not abuse in my books. With Linux ISOs that can be ~5GB each, Vista Beta 2, legal music, Xbox Live, etc., 50GB can add up fast.

looks like he needs to upgrade his service then, huh?

 

[EKKC]

my legal bandwidth is probably 200GB a month, while my illegal bandwidth is probably 20GB a day

i hate ISPs that cap people's downloads, if you're providing a service which is a 3Mbps connection, then yeah you should expect that user to be on 300KB/s for the entire month (if my math is correct, about 777GB/month), if your stupidass backbone can't handle it, dont give out and advertise as a 3M connection, provision it to 1M or something.

 

[Dunbar]

Originally posted by: EKKC
i hate ISPs that cap people's downloads, if you're providing a service which is a 3Mbps connection, then yeah you should expect that user to be on 300KB/s for the entire month (if my math is correct, about 777GB/month), if your stupidass backbone can't handle it, dont give out and advertise as a 3M connection, provision it to 1M or something.

That's the most idiotic logic I've heard in a while. Most people have jobs, and don't sit in front of their computer all day downloading stuff. Nor can they find enough content so that they're always downloading something. Cable companies need to make money you know. Anyways, how on earth could somebody download 50GB of legal content month after month? Do you download the same Linux ISO's every month? You all know you're downloading illegal content so you have no right to complain.

 

[chuckywang]

I definitely feel the same anger as the OP. If the 50 GB bandwidth limit is not stated anywhere on their website or letters, then the OP should DEFINITELY NOT HAVE A BANDWIDTH LIMIT!

 

[chuckywang]

Originally posted by: VenomXTF

Originally posted by: Pepsi90919

Oh no, ?ISP issues again? I think to myself.

ZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzz

look, don't write forum posts like romance novels. nobody will read them.

No buddy, you look. Just because you cannot write (or read for that matter) don't get on my @ss for putting my thoughts into a well written post. I had nothing else to do while waiting for my internet to come back on yesterday, so I wrote down everything that happened. I stated from the beginning that it will be a long read, so if you don't have the reading comprehension, skip the thread. It is really not my fault you are under-educated and have no respect. Others have clearly read my whole "romance novel" and had no problem with it.

QFT (quoted for truth)

 

[Gunslinger08]

Originally posted by: chuckywang

Originally posted by: VenomXTF

Originally posted by: Pepsi90919

Oh no, ?ISP issues again? I think to myself.

ZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzz

look, don't write forum posts like romance novels. nobody will read them.

No buddy, you look. Just because you cannot write (or read for that matter) don't get on my @ss for putting my thoughts into a well written post. I had nothing else to do while waiting for my internet to come back on yesterday, so I wrote down everything that happened. I stated from the beginning that it will be a long read, so if you don't have the reading comprehension, skip the thread. It is really not my fault you are under-educated and have no respect. Others have clearly read my whole "romance novel" and had no problem with it.

QFT (quoted for truth)

Agreed. It seems like all of the older guys around here are getting bitchy lately. Leave?

 

[rh71]

I went thru crap with Optimum Online... 4 times my upload speeds were capped to 18KBps and you can hardly do any multitasking with that because download uses upload too. Wasn't going to take it... after the 4th time (of them trying to tell me how to avoid it - which again didn't work) I basically said F U I'm leaving. I have an inferior DSL that craps out during the rain most times but at least I can download/upload as much as I like when it's not raining. I so can't wait for FIOS. (This post made in the middle of a thunderstorm).

 

[VenomXTF]

Originally posted by: Dunbar

Originally posted by: EKKC
i hate ISPs that cap people's downloads, if you're providing a service which is a 3Mbps connection, then yeah you should expect that user to be on 300KB/s for the entire month (if my math is correct, about 777GB/month), if your stupidass backbone can't handle it, dont give out and advertise as a 3M connection, provision it to 1M or something.

That's the most idiotic logic I've heard in a while. Most people have jobs, and don't sit in front of their computer all day downloading stuff. Nor can they find enough content so that they're always downloading something. Cable companies need to make money you know. Anyways, how on earth could somebody download 50GB of legal content month after month? Do you download the same Linux ISO's every month? You all know you're downloading illegal content so you have no right to complain.

Most people have a family, with 5 computers connected to the internet. You don't have to download anything all day to exceed that limit. Infact, I could easily download 5-10GB without trying hard in a few hours. Read some of people's post, people that download 100-200GB a month with other providers.

What I can recall downloading in June. Vista 4GB, Xbox Live demos/HD videos at least 5-10GB, Linox ISO at 3GB, some new games on steam at over 6.6GB, not sure what other big downloads right now. Those add up to almost 30GB and it's only a couple things. Add to that my little brother playing MMORPGs and other online games regularly, regular web browsing, voice, downloading photos, watching google and other streaming videos. I can go on and on.

A lot of you seem to be missing the point. HD-DVD will have downloaded extra content. Do you have any idea the space required for 1080p video with 5.1 audio, even with video encoded in VC-1? ABC, FOX, etc. are now offering their shows for download through their video services. Youtube, Google video, etc. are servicing hundreds of terabytes a month of videos. Microsoft, Sony, Valve and EVERY other company plans to offer online distribution systems (with some starting to already) for their software, games, demos, trailers, music videos, so on and on. Everyone so far that is saying "50GB is abuse and more than anyone should use" cannot be any more wrong. I trully hope you get bandwidth capped (and have your service terminated for "overusing" your internet) when the whole industry moves to online distribution, maybe it will open your eyes then.

And don't give me "they need to make money too" line. Read a post above, a AT members friend downloaded 1TB (1,000GB) in a month using regular DSL and his ISP had no problem with it. Had they lost money his account would of been shut down before the month was over. It costs them pennies per 1GB of bandwidth a month. They just rather make as much money as possible from users that use 100MB a month of bandwidth checking their email.

 

[rh71]

storm-induced DP.

 

[KillyKillall]

Originally posted by: dabuddha

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: VenomXTF
Nice of you to jump the gun Spidey. The letter was not for illegal content, none of which was downloaded.

Cliffs:
Internet gets shut off one day.
Next day tech comes up and removes blocker. Internet still not working.
Call again, get forwarded to 10 different departments/people none of which help.
The internet was shut off for using too much bandwidth. Three letters were supposebly sent, all of which the "post office lost."
After 4 hours on the phone, a manager turns it back on, tells me there is a 50GB limit and it's still the fualt of the post office.
The next day the internet finally works.

Sorry.

50 GB a month is definately abuse. Many large business with a DS3 don't move that much.

Don't want to get shut off? Pay for a higher service.

Wrong. Have you seen the size of demos these days? Plus linux isos and what not. You should learn by now that it isn't smart to assume because it really made you look like an ass

Exactly. I back up 10gb a day. I'd be screwed with your cable provider. If I remove any "illegal downloading" I'm still screwed with a 50gb limit. Stop calling it abuse if legitimate everyday people can hit it just doing normal things.

 

[Riceball]

I average 300gbs up and down a month, SBC never complains.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: VenomXTF

Most people have a family, with 5 computers connected to the internet. You don't have to download anything all day to exceed that limit. Infact, I could easily download 5-10GB without trying hard in a few hours. Read some of people's post, people that download 100-200GB a month with other providers.

What I can recall downloading in June. Vista 4GB, Xbox Live demos/HD videos at least 5-10GB, Linox ISO at 3GB, some new games on steam at over 6.6GB, not sure what other big downloads right now. Those add up to almost 30GB and it's only a couple things. Add to that my little brother playing MMORPGs and other online games regularly, regular web browsing, voice, downloading photos, watching google and other streaming videos. I can go on and on.

A lot of you seem to be missing the point. HD-DVD will have downloaded extra content. Do you have any idea the space required for 1080p video with 5.1 audio, even with video encoded in VC-1? ABC, FOX, etc. are now offering their shows for download through their video services. Youtube, Google video, etc. are servicing hundreds of terabytes a month of videos. Microsoft, Sony, Valve and EVERY other company plans to offer online distribution systems (with some starting to already) for their software, games, demos, trailers, music videos, so on and on. Everyone so far that is saying "50GB is abuse and more than anyone should use" cannot be any more wrong. I trully hope you get bandwidth capped (and have your service terminated for "overusing" your internet) when the whole industry moves to online distribution, maybe it will open your eyes then.

And don't give me "they need to make money too" line. Read a post above, a AT members friend downloaded 1TB (1,000GB) in a month using regular DSL and his ISP had no problem with it. Had they lost money his account would of been shut down before the month was over. It costs them pennies per 1GB of bandwidth a month. They just rather make as much money as possible from users that use 100MB a month of bandwidth checking their email.

Well if you need more, then pay for it.

But don't expect more since you have their el-cheap plan. If you want power user stuff, then pay for it. It's outlined in your AUP.

The entitlement mentatliy is really quite disturbing.

 

[SampSon]

You guys honestly think this is a "good read"?

 

[Reckoner]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: VenomXTF

Most people have a family, with 5 computers connected to the internet. You don't have to download anything all day to exceed that limit. Infact, I could easily download 5-10GB without trying hard in a few hours. Read some of people's post, people that download 100-200GB a month with other providers.

What I can recall downloading in June. Vista 4GB, Xbox Live demos/HD videos at least 5-10GB, Linox ISO at 3GB, some new games on steam at over 6.6GB, not sure what other big downloads right now. Those add up to almost 30GB and it's only a couple things. Add to that my little brother playing MMORPGs and other online games regularly, regular web browsing, voice, downloading photos, watching google and other streaming videos. I can go on and on.

A lot of you seem to be missing the point. HD-DVD will have downloaded extra content. Do you have any idea the space required for 1080p video with 5.1 audio, even with video encoded in VC-1? ABC, FOX, etc. are now offering their shows for download through their video services. Youtube, Google video, etc. are servicing hundreds of terabytes a month of videos. Microsoft, Sony, Valve and EVERY other company plans to offer online distribution systems (with some starting to already) for their software, games, demos, trailers, music videos, so on and on. Everyone so far that is saying "50GB is abuse and more than anyone should use" cannot be any more wrong. I trully hope you get bandwidth capped (and have your service terminated for "overusing" your internet) when the whole industry moves to online distribution, maybe it will open your eyes then.

And don't give me "they need to make money too" line. Read a post above, a AT members friend downloaded 1TB (1,000GB) in a month using regular DSL and his ISP had no problem with it. Had they lost money his account would of been shut down before the month was over. It costs them pennies per 1GB of bandwidth a month. They just rather make as much money as possible from users that use 100MB a month of bandwidth checking their email.

Well if you need more, then pay for it.

But don't expect more since you have their el-cheap plan. If you want power user stuff, then pay for it. It's outlined in your AUP.

The entitlement mentatliy is really quite disturbing.

It's the providers fault. They shouldn't advertise their service as unlimited if it isn't unlimited!

 

[VenomXTF]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: VenomXTF

Most people have a family, with 5 computers connected to the internet. You don't have to download anything all day to exceed that limit. Infact, I could easily download 5-10GB without trying hard in a few hours. Read some of people's post, people that download 100-200GB a month with other providers.

What I can recall downloading in June. Vista 4GB, Xbox Live demos/HD videos at least 5-10GB, Linox ISO at 3GB, some new games on steam at over 6.6GB, not sure what other big downloads right now. Those add up to almost 30GB and it's only a couple things. Add to that my little brother playing MMORPGs and other online games regularly, regular web browsing, voice, downloading photos, watching google and other streaming videos. I can go on and on.

A lot of you seem to be missing the point. HD-DVD will have downloaded extra content. Do you have any idea the space required for 1080p video with 5.1 audio, even with video encoded in VC-1? ABC, FOX, etc. are now offering their shows for download through their video services. Youtube, Google video, etc. are servicing hundreds of terabytes a month of videos. Microsoft, Sony, Valve and EVERY other company plans to offer online distribution systems (with some starting to already) for their software, games, demos, trailers, music videos, so on and on. Everyone so far that is saying "50GB is abuse and more than anyone should use" cannot be any more wrong. I trully hope you get bandwidth capped (and have your service terminated for "overusing" your internet) when the whole industry moves to online distribution, maybe it will open your eyes then.

And don't give me "they need to make money too" line. Read a post above, a AT members friend downloaded 1TB (1,000GB) in a month using regular DSL and his ISP had no problem with it. Had they lost money his account would of been shut down before the month was over. It costs them pennies per 1GB of bandwidth a month. They just rather make as much money as possible from users that use 100MB a month of bandwidth checking their email.

Well if you need more, then pay for it.

But don't expect more since you have their el-cheap plan. If you want power user stuff, then pay for it. It's outlined in your AUP.

The entitlement mentatliy is really quite disturbing.

I am not going to pay for a business level account when I AM NOT HOSTING A BUSINESS ON MY CONNECTION. I am using my broadband connection exactly what it was ment for, downloading broadband content. How hard is that for you to get that through your thick skull Spidey? I pay for 3mbit cable with not a single stated bandwidth limit anywhere. Why should I have to pay more for a higher speed/second or business connection when I have no problem with my speed. I hope you realize how stupid you make yourself look infront of everyone. Get down from the ivory tower.

On second thought. Do you work for Prolog? Or another ISP and rip everyone off?

 

[VenomXTF]

SampSon thread crapping. What a surprise? Never saw that coming. I guess that's the easiest way to get your post count up.

 

[spidey07]

Venom, I checked out your provider.

They offer higher levels of home service. You need to purchase more if you want more.

But you are definately abusing your service, so get a higher level of service if you want that. You don't get unlimited for cheap.

You are not "entitled" to rape the ISP without repurcussions. It's in your AUP, you signed up for it and you agreed to it.

Bandwidth is very expensive. Not to mention the ongoing expense of operations/maintenance.