Cable less secure than DSL? I believe so!

JackBurton

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Jul 18, 2000
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Man, I went from ADSL to Cable and I am getting SLAMMED! My activity light is almost constantly blinking (when I'm not doing anything), where as the activity light on my DSL modem would only blink when I was on the net. WTH? I can't monitor what is being done infront of my router, but it can't be good. I'm just glad I have quite a bit of security in place.
 

Goosemaster

Lifer
Apr 10, 2001
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It is that worm thingy..whatever the hell it is called...


CABLE IS NOT LESS SECURE...YOU MIGHT AS WELL BE TALIKNG ABOUT WAP OR SOME THING OF THAT SORT TO MAKE A VALID POint...jsut wanted to get hat accross...

AS it stands, there is no difference....cable might incrase the avaiablity of attacks, but that's it. If you are secure, you are fine.....its like this...


You are at a gay muscle bar and call someone a i love you.....

OR

You are at a funeral and call the guy a bastard because you are some chicks pimp and he never paid her....


In both cases you would would make youself available for attack...a painfully malicous attack that is

It just depends on whether or not you have protection....usaually, the number one problem with security is not whether something gets in, but if it can send somnething out .......
 

cipher00

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Perhaps you've moved to a service that attracts more than its share of attention? I can't see how it makes a huge difference given a certain level of security. Can you check the activity on requests via the router?
 

Hoober

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LIght on a cable connection is going to flash a lot more than on a DSL connection because the cable modem picks up all the traffic passing through your sector/node whatever you want to call it. It is not simply showing the traffic going out through your specific connection, but the traffic traveling across the entire sector. Same with most wireless communications like Sprint. DSL is dedicated to your connection, thus the modem doesn't pick up traffic flowing around you.
 

JackBurton

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<< LIght on a cable connection is going to flash a lot more than on a DSL connection because the cable modem picks up all the traffic passing through your sector/node whatever you want to call it. >>


I kind of figured that. I was just used to a dedicated pipe when I was using DSL. The activity light just makes me feel like someone just keeps knocking at my door. Even though my door is locked, I'm just not used to people knocking on it all day long. With DSL, people rarely knocked on my door.

 

manly

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Looks like another customer who's bought into the PacHell-disseminated myth that DSL is a dedicated pipe superior to cable.
 

Nothinman

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I kind of figured that. I was just used to a dedicated pipe when I was using DSL. The activity light just makes me feel like someone just keeps knocking at my door. Even though my door is locked, I'm just not used to people knocking on it all day long. With DSL, people rarely knocked on my door

Your pipe was far from dedicated, it's just pooled a little farther down the line.
 

Pqee

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<< Looks like another customer who's bought into the PacHell-disseminated myth that DSL is a dedicated pipe superior to cable. >>




What? You mean when I'm on the internet I don't have a dedicated link straight to every site with DSL?


Its amazing though how much DSL providers try to convince people they have a dedicated connection. They fail to mention that the entire internet is shared so the internet-challenged customers fall for it.
 

JackBurton

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<< What? You mean when I'm on the internet I don't have a dedicated link straight to every site with DSL? >>


Quit trying to be a funny guy retard. That's not what I meant and you know it.


<< Its amazing though how much DSL providers try to convince people they have a dedicated connection. They fail to mention that the entire internet is shared so the internet-challenged customers fall for it. >>


Holy sh!t, you know how the internet works? Man that is AWESOME! You've got to be the smartest man in the world!


I understand it is not TOTALLY dedicated, but it is not shared like cable is. With DSL you have a DEDICATED line to the CO (Central Office) from there it goes to the ISP then finally the internet. You don't have a setup like cable whereas you have your whole neighborhood sharing one node before it even gets out to the net. That is why alot (not all)cable subscribers have such a fluctuation in there bandwidth. That is what I meant by a dedicated pipe. My DSL connection was ALWAYS 1.3-1.5Mbps down, 128Kbps up, no matter what time of the day it was. And in my area there were SEVERAL DSL customers, and I also had VERY little traffic when I was not on. Most cable subscribers can't say the same in a densely populated cable area. DSL doesn't share a node like cable does (yes DSL does share nodes down the line though), that is what I'm attributing all the traffic to. I'm just not used to all this traffic "infront of my door." I think I'm going to setup a packet analyzer infront of my router and check what the hell is going on out there.
 

spidey07

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JackBurton,

What you'll probably see is nothing but broadcast packets. Mainly arps from your gateway router and ping scans from the kiddie down the street.

There are no differences when it comes to security between cable and DSL.

hope this helps.
 

Goosemaster

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<< Holy sh!t, you know how the internet works? Man that is AWESOME! You've got to be the smartest man in the world!

I understand it is not TOTALLY dedicated, but it is not shared like cable is. With DSL you have a DEDICATED line to the CO (Central Office) from there it goes to the ISP then finally the internet. You don't have a setup like cable whereas you have your whole neighborhood sharing one node before it even gets out to the net. That is why alot (not all)cable subscribers have such a fluctuation in there bandwidth. That is what I meant by a dedicated pipe. My DSL connection was ALWAYS 1.3-1.5Mbps down, 128Kbps up, no matter what time of the day it was. And in my area there were SEVERAL DSL customers, and I also had VERY little traffic when I was not on. Most cable subscribers can't say the same in a densely populated cable area. DSL doesn't share a node like cable does (yes DSL does share nodes down the line though), that is what I'm attributing all the traffic to. I'm just not used to all this traffic "infront of my door." I think I'm going to setup a packet analyzer infront of my router and check what the hell is going on out there.

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Seriously man, the Shared and private difference between them is not even worth mentioning unless you have a top=tier website that HAS TO HAVE GREAT bandwidth ALL THE TIME. Otherwise, the average cable connection is usally faster, even in densly poulated areas. It pisses me off when people associated subpar upkeeping on the part of your crappy cable company with the actually technology behind it. As it stands, cable CAN transmit a max of 40Mbit/s on the physical layer, and dsl has just rolled out 45...just NOw however. If the cable company has fiber backbones and a good node config, cable can outclass dsl instantly, and not to be biast, dsl can do the same.

I lived on a crowded node(COX) and ALWAYS got the 1.5Mb(sometime higher) that they promissed me. Now I have comcast in another area and they advertise 3.5-4.5Mbit/s and I almost always get that.it usally bottoms out at 1.5

As for security, a great deal of encrytion is used anyways, preventing all but worthy hackers from getting your IE history folder with all the porno sites YOU visited...and YOur passswords

Anyways, for secuirty, many sites use SSL encrytion that protects the physical layer between the host and client(ssl is pretty hard to crack if you know what I mean) . Then all that is left is your server, which can be vulnerable regardless of its backbone.

LArge corporations, the ones that keep secrets anyways, lease webspace from deicated hosts using massive t1s,t3,0c-3/Dc-3's, oc12,192...you get my picture....

No point in complaining about security if you leave yourself open anyways.

personally, I am setting up a website that will use minimal, but highly impotant data transfers(architectural drawings that have to be there when I need them, no financial stuff so don't bother hacking it) and I will be hosting it on cable with a 128cap but that will be enough for what is needed.

Regardless, I will be using encrytion, a hardware firewall(smoothwall Linux box), firewall on the NAT, software firewalls on each machine(XP,XP, Win2kADv server,Linux) and that will work fine for me..although I realize I can never be 100%secure ...

The key is that if I were to go to dsl, which I probably will for the static ip and higher upload speed for the same price, I would still regard the line with the same security-cautios cation that I always do

 

JohnnyPC

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I would just stick that cable modem in a closet or someplace where you can't see because all this anxiety you have about "activity lights" is something you don't need to worry about. Don't be so paranoid...they're not going to get in. And even if "they" get in what are they going to find?
 

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<< I would just stick that cable modem in a closet or someplace where you can't see because all this anxiety you have about "activity lights" is something you don't need to worry about. Don't be so paranoid...they're not going to get in. And even if "they" get in what are they going to find? >>





LOL,I actually rather enjoy all the lights on my setup, my desk looked like an Xmas tree when nimda was going really strong
 

Nothinman

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they're not going to get in. And even if "they" get in what are they going to find?

It's not what they'll find, it's that they'll probably install a rootkit and a zombie for using my connection for DoS attacks, not something I want to be a part of.
 

JackBurton

Lifer
Jul 18, 2000
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<< It's not what they'll find, it's that they'll probably install a rootkit and a zombie for using my connection for DoS attacks, not something I want to be a part of. >>


That's one of by biggest concerns. I don't want to give the impression that I'm SUPER paranoid and that I can't go to sleep when that activity light keeps blinking, like I said, I guess I'm just not used to it. I have quite a bit of security in place that most home users don't have. I have a Linksys 4 port router and behind that I have a MS Proxy 2.0 server with packet filtering turn on with protocol violation and rejected packets being logged to a MS SQL server. And all clients log into a 2000 domain to even get access to the Proxy server. No "bad stuff" has been logged yet, but that just means nothing has gotten past my router. I'll be upgrading to ISA soon though.

Alright guys, I'll ignore the light and keep an eye on my proxy log. I'm still going to put a packet analyzer infront of my router for just curiosity's sake.

 

Nothinman

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All I see on my cable modem is broadcast sh!t, mostly arps, nothing unicast that isn't mine.
 
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