cable signal strength and quality

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MasterHoss

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Well, I surfed and download various files last night using both the Linksys and Motorola cable modems. I think I'm going to keep the Linksys and return the Motorola.

Both seemed to utitlize the same bandwidth (throughput averaged ~2Mbps with very frequent sustained bursts over 3Mbps). Both cable modems I was testing were the latest versions (are DOCSIS 2.0 capable) so I just choose the Linksys for no particular reason since both offer the same thing to me.

Linksys cable modem does boot up significantly faster than the Motorola does... but the Motorola does have a "stand by mode".
 

Praetor

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Oct 14, 1999
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My experiences with Linksys Modems is that they tend to tx higher than other modems. Their diagnostic page is top notch in that it constantly refreshes itself and the physical design of it is great, it's horizontal, more stable, and fits in great with other linksys products. However, I still standby Motorolas, due to their longevity, and the simple fact that they usually don't die unless there is a real problem going on in the service providers plant.
 

MasterHoss

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EDIT: Still seem to be having throughput issues... maybe more bandwidth related via the Comcast network. I notice throughput drops significantly throughout the afternoon/evening and picks up again late and night to early morning... It is my understanding that Comcasts alots a 3Mb pipe to everyone so that no single user can hog up all available bandwidth

Can someone translate this information for me?
(BTW, this is from the Linksys BEFCMU10 cable modem that I'm currently using)

Startup Procedure

Status Comment
Acquire Downstream Channel 627000000 Hz Locked
Connectivity State Operational Operational
Boot State OK Operational
Security Enabled BPI

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Downstream Channel

Lock Status Operational
Modulation 64QAM
Channel ID 39
Symbol Rate 5056.941 Ksym/sec
Downstream Power -18.1 dBmV
SNR 22.4 dB

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Upstream Channel

Lock Status Operational
Modulation QPSK
Channel ID 6
Symbol Rate 2560 Ksym/sec
Upstream Power 49.3 dBmV

 

kurisu

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Aug 25, 2004
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Your downstream signal power is not very good. It should be between -10 to 10. Your upstream power seems fine. Tell them that a technician needs to come out and test the line, specifically whereever -18.1 is occuring and see if they can correct it.
 

MasterHoss

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kurisu: Thanks for the reply. I"m curious about this topic now. I have actually had a stable connection over the past 2 days now (this is the longest I've gone without my cable modem losing the cable signal in the last 2 weeks). Over the past 2 weeks, my throughput has been completely destroyed and when my cable modem lost the cable signal, I couldn't do anything to get the signal back--no amount of restarting the cable modem would make it sync back up with the cable signal... I would just have to wait until the cable signal was strong enough for the cable modem to be able to sync back up with Comcast.

Over these past 2 days, my downstream power has improved.

The first day I actually thought to look at the downstream power reading was this past Friday (it read -18.1dBmV). Yesterday, I noticed it increased to -16dBmV ... and here are my current readings:

Startup Procedure

Status Comment
Acquire Downstream Channel 627000000 Hz Locked
Connectivity State Operational Operational
Boot State OK Operational
Security Enabled BPI

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Downstream Channel

Lock Status Operational
Modulation 64QAM
Channel ID 39
Symbol Rate 5056.941 Ksym/sec
Downstream Power -15.9 dBmV
SNR 26.8 dB

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Upstream Channel

Lock Status Operational
Modulation QPSK
Channel ID 6
Symbol Rate 2560 Ksym/sec
Upstream Power 48.5 dBmV


Can someone provide a link somewhere that explains what the downstream power means and what the minimum acceptable value should be in reference to Comcast? Is there a set value?
 

vailr

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Oct 9, 1999
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http://192.168.100.1/signal.html
Frequency 591000000 Hz Locked
Signal to Noise Ratio 39 dB
Power Level -2 dBmV
The Downstream Power Level reading is a snapshot taken at the time this page was requested. Please Reload/Refresh this Page for a new reading

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Motorola SB5100 - Comcast - Indianapolis, IN
 

PowerEngineer

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Oct 22, 2001
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Originally posted by: Garion
Originally posted by: Praetor
Honestly, I would stay away from any rca cable modem. As soon as I find out that a customer has one, I automatically swap it out for a different modem..

I've had the same RCA cable modem for 4+ years (the old @home). I have never had any problems with it and I don't believe it's throttling my bandwidth in any way. Once I got the service tech to tell me how to do a power down and re-synchronize to the cable (unplug power cable and network cable, plug in power and wait a few mins to re-plug in network cable) I was good. It loses sync about once ever 4 months and I have to repeat, but other than that, NO problems.

- G

Same here! I still use the RCA DCM105 that @Home installed years ago. I just checked my speed numbers at DSLReports:

Your download speed : 2895670 bps, or 2827 kbps.
A 353.4 KB/sec transfer rate.
Your upload speed : 189257 bps, or 184 kbps.

I think you're on the right track to question the quality of your signal, not the modem.

 

MasterHoss

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Apr 25, 2001
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Thanks for the replies guys.

Geez. I guess I clearly do have a problem then with the signal. I just wish Comcast had it in writing somewhere what their acceptable signal strength is. I called a few days ago and the CSR on the phone really didn't know what I was talking about ... the next CSR asked me what my level was showing currently. I could see this would've been one of these type of situations...
ME: my power level is _________dBmV
CSR: Oh. ________dBmV is within our acceptable range

where _____ = any number I would've said (-30dBmV would've even probably resulted in the CSR saying "yeah that's sounds normal")
 

kurisu

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It's hard to tell what acceptable signal strength is, as it's different for everyone and how their house is configured. Let's take a look at my graph, for reference:

http://virtual.dyc.edu/~kurisu/graphmodem.gif

You see here that my acceptable levels for my downstream are -10 to 15dBmV, and 25 - 60dBmV for my upstream. I would assume something within these levels would be acceptable, but it is different for everyone like I said before. The common standard is within these numbers, though.
 

MasterHoss

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I actually found a good FAQ for cable modems here.

Thanks for the help.

TUESDAY'S readings...
Startup Procedure

Status Comment
Acquire Downstream Channel 627000000 Hz Locked
Connectivity State Operational Operational
Boot State OK Operational
Security Enabled BPI

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Downstream Channel

Lock Status Operational
Modulation 64QAM
Channel ID 39
Symbol Rate 5056.941 Ksym/sec
Downstream Power -15.8 dBmV
SNR 27.5 dB

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Upstream Channel

Lock Status Operational
Modulation QPSK
Channel ID 6
Symbol Rate 2560 Ksym/sec
Upstream Power 48.5 dBmV

 

MasterHoss

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Apr 25, 2001
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Comcast just came out to fix the lines. The guy was cool--never once came up here to bother me. Just did his thing down below and called me ... he told me that my lines were never "configured correctly."

Here's why...

Startup Procedure

Status Comment
Acquire Downstream Channel 627000000 Hz Locked
Connectivity State Operational Operational
Boot State OK Operational
Security Enabled BPI

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Downstream Channel

Lock Status Operational
Modulation 64QAM
Channel ID 39
Symbol Rate 5056.941 Ksym/sec
Downstream Power -8.3 dBmV
SNR 29.2 dB

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Upstream Channel

Lock Status Operational
Modulation QPSK
Channel ID 6
Symbol Rate 2560 Ksym/sec
Upstream Power 42.0 dBmV

 

lowrider69

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Aug 26, 2004
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Comcast sucks. At least in my area it does, south Jersey. I had an old US Robotics/3Com Tailfin modem on another service, optonline, in another state for three years and did not have one problem with it. I move to south Jersey and sign up with Comcrap and all of a sudden after about six months I started getting random disconnects and I had to reset the modem almost everyday. I had techs come out on several different occasions and replace my lines and my splitters. By the way none of these guys checked the levels at the ground block or at the tap.

Anyway, I still had problems. Finally the last tech said it was my modem, it supposedly and mysteriously decided to break all of a sudden I guess after three + years of no problems, yeah right. I hate renting anything so I went out and bought a Motorola SB5100 last year and figured i'd give a new modem a shot. Well about 6-8 months after I bought the new modem, guess what? Random disconnects and reboots. Wow, I guess yet another modem mysteriously broke after hooking it up to Comcast. So here we go again with the numerous tech calls and dealing with pompous Comcast customer service reps. The best was when one person told me I had to call immediately after every disconnect to get credit for the outage. I told her that would basically be a full time job on my end. Maybe they could install a red hotline(like the batphone) in my house to make things easier.

So again techs came out but couldn't do much this time because everything had been replaced already, including the drop going to my house. One guy told me, it's your modem. I said really? That makes two modems that when hooked up to your service suddenly break. Finally the last tech who came took readings at the head in and at the tap, and he said there was alot of line noise at the both spots. Even though the modem logs had good readings he said the tap signals were out of wack. He told me it was a system problem. Oh my Lord really? No sh*t. They had a line crew come out and readjusted the amplifier on my street and they replaced some stuff at one of the hubs. That was two weeks ago. The modem reboots stopped and so did the disconnects. Although today and yesterday I had three quick disconnects that didn't require a reboot. But that seems on par for whenever it rains in South Jersey, I noticed whenever it rains around here, the service get's flakey.

In a nutshell, it seems Comcast's quick answer is always it's your modem. BS. It's their service. Almost every problem I ever read about the sb5100 on any forum is when it involves Comcast.

By the way I had a person down the street from me who was renting a sb5100 from them, he went through the same crap with changing modems and still having problems. His problems also stopped when the line crew came out fixed the amplifier and the hub.
 

MasterHoss

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Apr 25, 2001
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Yeah... sorry about my last post. I re-read it and it wasn't very clear. The Comcast guy came out and made adjustments and the stats I posted showed the dramatic improvement in SNR and download signal strength. Everything's been rock solid since last Saturday... no drops... no disconnects... no recycling the modem.

Throughput is consistent once again between 2Mbps - 3.2Mbps

BTW, here are my current readings...

Startup Procedure

Status Comment
Acquire Downstream Channel 627000000 Hz Locked
Connectivity State Operational Operational
Boot State OK Operational
Security Enabled BPI

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Downstream Channel

Lock Status Operational
Modulation 64QAM
Channel ID 39
Symbol Rate 5056.941 Ksym/sec
Downstream Power -6.6 dBmV
SNR 30.0 dB

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Upstream Channel

Lock Status Operational
Modulation QPSK
Channel ID 6
Symbol Rate 2560 Ksym/sec
Upstream Power 42.0 dBmV

 

DainBrammage

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May 16, 2000
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Dude,

Perhaps your cable has been spliced from the Cable box to your house. Found this out on my the HARD WAY. Doing some planting for the wife a few years ago and cut the cable. I bought a splice kit for coax and repaired the line. My Speed almost dropped by 50% when the ground got really wet. Called cable company they sent a guy out he hooked a up a meter that told him the line was spliced the length to it etc... they replaced the cabl and viola! back up to full speed.
 

lowrider69

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Aug 26, 2004
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Originally posted by: DainBrammage
Dude,

Perhaps your cable has been spliced from the Cable box to your house. Found this out on my the HARD WAY. Doing some planting for the wife a few years ago and cut the cable. I bought a splice kit for coax and repaired the line. My Speed almost dropped by 50% when the ground got really wet. Called cable company they sent a guy out he hooked a up a meter that told him the line was spliced the length to it etc... they replaced the cabl and viola! back up to full speed.





If that was a response to me, my lines run above ground. As I said they did a new drop from pole into my house. Either way problem was solved when the line crew came out and fixed the amplifier and hub. If it was my line only going into my house it wouldn't affect the guy two doors down from like it did.
 
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