Cali Cop Threatens to Kill Anyone Openly Carrying a Handgun (Even if it's Legal)

[bob4432]

Funny how 2nd amendment rights groups want to infringe on this guys 1st amendment rights.

threatening + cop/detective

 

[Mike Gayner]

I wonder if the contributors to this thread realise how petty they look jumping on this guy for these comments. You're holding the police to an impossibly high standard - this is a private conversation which has nothing to do with the cop's official capacity. You can't expect cops to be angels 100% of the time, and you can't expect them to always agree with the laws they're empowered to uphold.

TBH anyone having a go at this cop for his totally innocuous comments looks like a complete toolbag.

 

[bob4432]

I wonder if the contributors to this thread realise how petty they look jumping on this guy for these comments. You're holding the police to an impossibly high standard - this is a private conversation which has nothing to do with the cop's official capacity. You can't expect cops to be angels 100% of the time, and you can't expect them to always agree with the laws they're empowered to uphold.

TBH anyone having a go at this cop for his totally innocuous comments looks like a complete toolbag.

man, you have low standards if you think high standards are not to put people on the ground for lawful activity. people are usually much more honest when they feel they are in a private conversation.

if he doesn't like the law, then why is he carrying? oh yeah, typical cop mentality - it is ok for me, but not you. iran and china are a bit east....or west whichever way you want to go.

 

[senseamp]

threatening + cop/detective

There is no threatening in his message, he said "should've" not "will," completely hypothetical. Plus he was not posting in his capacity as cop, but on his free time.

 

[bob4432]

There is no threatening in his message, he said "should've" not "will," completely hypothetical. Plus he was not posting in his capacity as cop, but on his free time.

you are always a cop once a cop. your right to cc doesn't go away when you are not on the job, and as detective i would say he gets more "cop freedom" or are you telling me cops can only carry a loaded firearm in CA when "on the clock?"

also there is not time stamp that i can see on that thread, so he may have been fully on the clock

 

[Mike Gayner]

Wow, you look like a childish, petulant, petty little shitbag in this thread bob4432.

 

[senseamp]

you are always a cop once a cop. your right to cc doesn't go away when you are not on the job, and as detective i would say he gets more "cop freedom" or are you telling me cops can only carry a loaded firearm in CA when "on the clock?"

also there is not time stamp that i can see on that thread, so he may have been fully on the clock

His 1st amendment right also does not go away because he's a cop. Sounds like 2nd amendment right groups are trying to punish him for exercising his 1st amendment right, such good defenders of the Constitution they are.
Also, burden is on you to prove he was posting on the clock.

 

[senseamp]

BTW, the OP's title is misleading and slanderous, the cop did not threaten to kill anyone. He was clearly speaking rhetorically about hypothetical actions about situation in the past. Shoulda coulda woulda.

 

[James Bond]

Random question: A friend told me that in Washington state, a gun permit == concealed carry. Anyone know if that's true?

 

[Deeko]

Random question: A friend told me that in Washington state, a gun permit == concealed carry. Anyone know if that's true?

You don't need a permit to open carry in WA, if that's what you're getting at. You only need a permit for concealed carry.

 

[Deeko]

BTW, the OP's title is misleading and slanderous, the cop did not threaten to kill anyone. He was clearly speaking rhetorically about hypothetical actions about situation in the past. Shoulda coulda woulda.

It is most certainly not slander. Its libel, duh

 

[jlee]

His 1st amendment right also does not go away because he's a cop. Sounds like 2nd amendment right groups are trying to punish him for exercising his 1st amendment right, such good defenders of the Constitution they are.
Also, burden is on you to prove he was posting on the clock.

Pretty much.

If you think the comment was in bad taste, I can give you that...but to say that it was a "threat to kill anyone openly carrying a handgun" is pure garbage and nothing but media sensationalism.

 

[senseamp]

It is most certainly not slander. Its libel, duh

yes, since it's written and not spoken, it is in fact libel In either case, the OP is falsely accusing the COP (lol) of making a threat to kill, which would be a crime.

 

[senseamp]

BTW, if you read the comments to the article:

the terminology he used is "prone." Not kill or murder. When a PO tells you to get on the ground and spread eagle, that's making you prone. Only if one of "them" (what is this, "Lost"?) makes a grab for his weapon would that officer in good concience be able to threaten them more directly. That is SOP for most precincts, I'm sure.

Sounds like the OP owns the COP an apology.

 

[pontifex]

we should also be able to carry c4 packs strapped to us with detonators in plain view. i'm ok if someone wants to open carry, but it's not my thing. i don't see a point.

why does someone alwas have to take an argument to ridiculous levels?

Why would you want to carry C4? I certainly don't advocate that.

if it's not your thing, then don't do it. why do you feel the need to deny other people the right? I don't see a point to a lot of things but i don't try to get it banned.

 

[jlee]

BTW, if you read the comments to the article:


Sounds like the OP owns the COP an apology.

The alleged "threat" is the 'two weeks off' comment - administrative leave pending investigation of a shooting (policy pretty much everywhere). It was given as a conditional statement requiring a 'furtive movement' - and if you're on the ground at gunpoint, you damn well better not be making furtive moves...not a good idea.

If people think "prone" means "shoot", then I can see where the confusion is coming from...and I also suggest they go buy a dictionary.

 

[Deeko]

BTW, if you read the comments to the article:


Sounds like the OP owns the COP an apology.

Eh. The cop wasn't threatening anyone and I agree that the OP's title is poorly worded, however - the cop's statement is basically "You should take someone not committing a crime, make him lie down on the ground, and if he tries to move/get up, shoot him".

Whether its a threat or not, its still fucked up and still an embarassment to his badge, IMO.

 

[pontifex]

Pretty much.

If you think the comment was in bad taste, I can give you that...but to say that it was a "threat to kill anyone openly carrying a handgun" is pure garbage and nothing but media sensationalism.

Since when does the 1st amendment defend threats of killing people?

It looks like from other posts that maybe he didn't threaten to kill them. Either way, I don't think the 1st amendment applies to this situation, does it?

 

[bob4432]

His 1st amendment right also does not go away because he's a cop. Sounds like 2nd amendment right groups are trying to punish him for exercising his 1st amendment right, such good defenders of the Constitution they are.
Also, burden is on you to prove he was posting on the clock.

no it does not, but he is in a position of power which brings more responsibility. i am pretty sure a police officer is to conduct themselves in a professional manner even outside of work - again, more power has more responsibility. instead he acts like the thugs he is "against", but some cops = thugs w/ badges w/ their own agenda. this one just happend to do it in a public manner so we can all see more of his character.

 

[bob4432]

The alleged "threat" is the 'two weeks off' comment - administrative leave pending investigation of a shooting (policy pretty much everywhere). It was given as a conditional statement requiring a 'furtive movement' - and if you're on the ground at gunpoint, you damn well better not be making furtive moves...not a good idea.

If people think "prone" means "shoot", then I can see where the confusion is coming from...and I also suggest they go buy a dictionary.

why would these people be on the ground prone in the first place? by following the law and openly carrying, even if unloaded? his tone if firmly against the 2nd Amendment.

 

[Thoreau]

Funny how 2nd amendment rights groups want to infringe on this guys 1st amendment rights.

Since when does the 1st amendment guarantee that exercising that right doesn't come with consequences? I can tell a cop, or my boss, to go F themselves. Doesn't mean that I won't be tasting the paint on a cruiser's hood or looking for a new job.

 

[jlee]

why would these people be on the ground prone in the first place? by following the law and openly carrying, even if unloaded? his tone if firmly against the 2nd Amendment.

His "tone" in regards to the 2nd Amendment is entirely irrelevant to the OP's claim of a direct threat of murder.

 

[bob4432]

His "tone" in regards to the 2nd Amendment is entirely irrelevant to the OP's claim of a direct threat of murder.

the threat is "2 weeks off". it may be sensationalized a bit but i personally don't want "peace officers" w/ this mindset. innocent until guilty? when does the cop become judge, jury and possibly executioner?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

His 1st amendment right also does not go away because he's a cop. Sounds like 2nd amendment right groups are trying to punish him for exercising his 1st amendment right, such good defenders of the Constitution they are.
Also, burden is on you to prove he was posting on the clock.

Question-

What if he said
"If I see a (insert a nasty name for a black here) with a gun I'll have him on the ground and if he moves I'll shoot him"?

His First Amendment rights are still there. Would you be defending him or calling for action against him?

 

[jlee]

the threat is "2 weeks off". it may be sensationalized a bit but i personally don't want "peace officers" w/ this mindset. innocent until guilty? when does the cop become judge, jury and possibly executioner?

Ya think?