Calif. pot dispensaries told by feds to shut down

[guyver01]

How exactly does this fall under "interstate commerce" when the commerce is done completely within a single state with very strong laws prohibiting exporting it?

Under Gonzales v. Raich, The Court held that medical marijuana grown and consumed in California was indistinguishable from marijuana transported across the state line, and therefore affected interstate commerce, even in the absence of any legal market in marijuana.

 

[bfdd]

How exactly does this fall under "interstate commerce" when the commerce is done completely within a single state with very strong laws prohibiting exporting it?

This is what I am saying. They have no say in the matter because we do not trade cannabis with other states. It is strictly a California thing. The Feds can go fuck themselves.

 

[davmat787]

I guess the government would rather have MJ users obtain their bud from the Mexican and South American bud that comes across the border. Much better that way since the money then flows back to Mexico or wherever.

 

[EagleKeeper]

I guess the government would rather have MJ users obtain their bud from the Mexican and South American bud that comes across the border. Much better that way since the money then flows back to Mexico or wherever.

Why are people to blind to not understand that the MJ crowd did this to themselves by flaunting their use of MMJ.

They had a good thing and abused it royally; screwing everyone. Then they have the audacity to com[plain that it is the gov fault.

The gov told them up front what the implicit rules were; but they apparently were to stoned to comprehend.

The evidence is all the people here and OT posting and whining about it.

 

[Ichigo]

Why are people to blind to not understand that the MJ crowd did this to themselves by flaunting their use of MMJ.

They had a good thing and abused it royally; screwing everyone. Then they have the audacity to com[plain that it is the gov fault.

The gov told them up front what the implicit rules were; but they apparently were to stoned to comprehend.

The evidence is all the people here and OT posting and whining about it.

Too stoned to comprehend? Why is that always the specious reasoning for mocking people who use MJ?

I don't smoke. I barely care. But it's this casual prejudice against anyone who does anything differently from you or something you disagree with that pervades every dumb thought on these forums. Liberals are socialist, conservatives are zealots, and everyone except those who are exactly the same as you are the cancer killing America.

 

[pcgeek11]

This is what I am saying. They have no say in the matter because we do not trade cannabis with other states. It is strictly a California thing. The Feds can go fuck themselves.

The laws and courts say otherwise. Sorry for your loss.

 

[Tab]

Anyone finding it strange how it's only 14 dispensaries? There are literally hundreds in California so why it's it only 14?

 

[woolfe9999]

Anyone finding it strange how it's only 14 dispensaries? There are literally hundreds in California so why it's it only 14?

It's a total waste of taxpayer money. This is why there shouldn't be drug prohibition at the federal level. Even IF drug prohibition is desirable, the federal government doesn't have the resources to police everything.

 

[saratoga172]

Anyone finding it strange how it's only 14 dispensaries? There are literally hundreds in California so why it's it only 14?

Supposedly high revenue dispensaries.

 

[saratoga172]

Under Gonzales v. Raich, The Court held that medical marijuana grown and consumed in California was indistinguishable from marijuana transported across the state line, and therefore affected interstate commerce, even in the absence of any legal market in marijuana.

I could see that but there are plenty of other consumables that are the same way.

 

[bfdd]

Supposedly high revenue dispensaries.

One right next to me that got shut down, was definitely high revenue. You could wait 30-40 minutes before getting in to even look at bud.

 

[guyver01]

I could see that but there are plenty of other consumables that are the same way.

and which ones are currently illegal under federal law?

 

[ericlp]

Why are people to blind to not understand that the MJ crowd did this to themselves by flaunting their use of MMJ.

They had a good thing and abused it royally; screwing everyone. Then they have the audacity to com[plain that it is the gov fault.

The gov told them up front what the implicit rules were; but they apparently were to stoned to comprehend.

The evidence is all the people here and OT posting and whining about it.

Hey fool... did it ever occur to you that PEOPLE VOTED AND PASSED the MMJ LAW by the people and for the people... Where is the eagle keeper in that? The people wanted MMJ period. Who gives a fuck if they are flaunting it or whatever they want to do with in their right...

I guess you don't have any concern for majority of the people that passed this law. You obviously have something against MMJ and are just another pathetic troll that wants to take rights away from american citizens that worked hard to pass a vote and now you want to deny that? Thats pathetic ...

 

[guyver01]

 

[Double Trouble]

Anyone finding it strange how it's only 14 dispensaries? There are literally hundreds in California so why it's it only 14?

It was 14 of the top grossing ones. More will follow. Given the volume of drug dealers.....errrr... "dispensaries", they won't be able to make a dent in the total, but they can keep playing wack-a-dealer with whichever ones get big and make a lot of money.

This isn't really that complicated. Until the federal law is changed to make mj use legal (if that ever happens), the state laws on the matter are irrelevant.

I agree 100% with EagleKeeper: there was basically a stalemate where it was legal in the state but illegal under federal law, but the feds were not really all that interested in going after legal state users. Then the "legal" state use got out of control to the point where every druggie out there was "legally" smoking pot and dealers were "legally" making millions. Of course the federal government can't just stand by and let everyone flout federal law (unless it's illegal immigration, they are just fine with that ) so now they are cracking down. The druggies ruined it for the real medical users.

 

[Double Trouble]

Hey fool... did it ever occur to you that PEOPLE VOTED AND PASSED the MMJ LAW by the people and for the people... Where is the eagle keeper in that? The people wanted MMJ period. Who gives a fuck if they are flaunting it or whatever they want to do with in their right...

Hey stupid, does the "supremacy clause" ring a bell?

We can easily have a valid discussion on whether mj should be legalized at the federal level, but until such time as that happens, what the people of one particular state vote or want is irrelevant.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Hey fool... did it ever occur to you that PEOPLE VOTED AND PASSED the MMJ LAW by the people and for the people... Where is the eagle keeper in that? The people wanted MMJ period. Who gives a fuck if they are flaunting it or whatever they want to do with in their right...

I guess you don't have any concern for majority of the people that passed this law. You obviously have something against MMJ and are just another pathetic troll that wants to take rights away from american citizens that worked hard to pass a vote and now you want to deny that? Thats pathetic ...

As you stated, they passed a MEDICAL MJ law. Not a MJ law.

CA could not pass a MJ law.

And you have non MEDICAL needs that are abusing the MMJ.

Thanks for playing.

I have nothing against MMJ; I have against people that use the MMJ when it is not required and flaunt the fact they are doing so.

 

[dank69]

As you stated, they passed a MEDICAL MJ law. Not a MJ law.

CA could not pass a MJ law.

And you have non MEDICAL needs that are abusing the MMJ.

Thanks for playing.

I have nothing against MMJ; I have against people that use the MMJ when it is not required and flaunt the fact they are doing so.

That's your problem, MYOB.

 

[EagleKeeper]

And who's business is it?

 

[piasabird]

MJ is still illegal according to federal law. Any state which does not enforce that law is in open rebellion against the Federal Government. As such the public officials should be arrested and thrown in jail.

 

[werepossum]

I am against using MJ, but support its legalization. Anti-MJ laws do more harm than good when you consider the economic or human consequences of them. I am disappointed to hear this action taking place.

Also, this seems relevant to this thread:
http://www.rifftrax.com/rifftrax/reefer-madness-three-riffer-edition

I'm in the same position. I've never smoke grass, never wanted to, never intend to, even though almost everyone with whom I hung out in high school and college smoked it. But I don't see a lot of harm in it. One can legally smoke tobacco and drink alcohol and get whatever bad side effects come with weed. In general I'm very much against protecting people from themselves or protecting the public from unlikely threats, and while it's possible to endanger the public by abusing grass, it seems very rare and difficult.

That said, that doesn't necessarily mean Obama and the DoJ are wrong to enforce the law. If the law is bad, change the law, don't ignore it.

 

[guyver01]

That said, that doesn't necessarily mean Obama and the DoJ are wrong to enforce the law. If the law is bad, change the law, don't ignore it.

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

 

[airdata]

This along w\ the ATF memo suggesting that medical marijuana gun owners were in fact in felony violation for owning firearms if they smoke pot... jesus, if they weren't high we might see a bigger than #occupy uprising.

Obama promised to keep the fed out of medical marijuana before.. so on his record, just another broken promise.

Originally Posted by werepossum
That said, that doesn't necessarily mean Obama and the DoJ are wrong to enforce the law. If the law is bad, change the law, don't ignore it.

How do you change the law if most of the people with the power to change the law either don't have the facts, or ignore the facts because they have too many donations coming in from big tobacco, big alcohol and big pharma to give 2 shits about the legality of marijuana?

It's not even a debatable topic. Marijuana was made illegal w\ propaganda and lies. This is simply a fact. If the internet was arround back then and they could view factual information and make an unbiased, logical decision, marijuana would be legal.

Or maybe they prefer cartels to get a bigger share of MJ profits, or just to not see any tax dollars from those dispensaries. Hey... our state is bankrupt. Let's go after an industry giving us millions of dollars in taxes !!!
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You can't even make up how stupid these people are on this issue.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Grass roots if change is to come.

He did not change his stance. The statement has been quoted in this thread. Others here have a lack of comprehension as to what words mean and the result or reading want you want a statement to state.

Do you have a different statement to reference.

 

[werepossum]

This along w\ the ATF memo suggesting that medical marijuana gun owners were in fact in felony violation for owning firearms if they smoke pot... jesus, if they weren't high we might see a bigger than #occupy uprising.

Obama promised to keep the fed out of medical marijuana before.. so on his record, just another broken promise.



How do you change the law if most of the people with the power to change the law either don't have the facts, or ignore the facts because they have too many donations coming in from big tobacco, big alcohol and big pharma to give 2 shits about the legality of marijuana?

It's not even a debatable topic. Marijuana was made illegal w\ propaganda and lies. This is simply a fact. If the internet was arround back then and they could view factual information and make an unbiased, logical decision, marijuana would be legal.

Or maybe they prefer cartels to get a bigger share of MJ profits, or just to not see any tax dollars from those dispensaries. Hey... our state is bankrupt. Let's go after an industry giving us millions of dollars in taxes !!!
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You can't even make up how stupid these people are on this issue.

See Eagle Keeper's post below. (Well, it's now above this one. LOL) That's the beauty of representative government; if the people will lead, the leaders will usually follow. It's gotta be grass roots. Think back to the civil rights movement; the Democrat Party wanted no part of it, knowing that it would cost them the racist south, yet the people moved to the point that the Democrat Party faced severe damage if it did not embrace the civil rights movement. Only at that point could we move forward, because the two parties agreed it had to be done, whether from moral or practical grounds. We're now approaching the same thing with gay marriage as more and more people become more liberal on the subject. The penalties for being gay become less, more gay people come out of the closet, more people realize they aren't necessarily so very different, rinse and repeat, and thus the political danger shifts from supporting something to opposing it.

It's always difficult to make major societal changes, and it should be. But as more people come to see pot smokers as something more than worthless stoners, as they see people like Wolf who smoke pot and still function at reasonably high levels, attitudes relax. We've now had two Presidents who were stoners, yet also functional. Attitudes are changing even now. The nagatives are always more visible with something illegal - the 1950s black man who rapes a white woman is much more visible than the 1950s black man who becomes a doctor, the flaming drag queen is much more visible than the gay man who lives quietly with a long term lover, the pot-smoking derelict living by petty theft is much more visible than the pot-smoking lawyer. But these things build up momentum, and change, when it happens, tends to happen fairly quickly. I'm guessing that within a decade or so pot won't be much more controlled than is tobacco (and in California, even less controlled than is tobacco.)