California AT folks, you okay? Governor issues historic drought restrictions:

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PliotronX

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What about all the bazillion golf courses in California? The entire course will be a sand trap except for the putting greens.

Therein lies the problem; the wealthy elite don't give two poops nor are affected by drought. When water rates were being jacked up egregiously while the corrupt former mayor of LA Villaigarosa was telling Angelinos to use less water, his villa in LA on a half acre of grass kept lush and green paid for by LA taxpayers made it glaringly obvious. The water rate hikes and restrictions only affect the working class and poor. Glad to be out of that hellhole.
 

FelixDeCat

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Aug 4, 2000
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California almond & pistachio farmers, owned by billion dollar hedge funds and retirement boards have consumed mind blowing amounts of water. You would be amazed at how much water it takes to grow high margin almonds and pistachios.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/03/30/how-growers-gamed-california-s-drought.html

How Growers Gamed California’s Drought

Consuming 80 percent of California’s developed water but accounting for only 2 percent of the state’s GDP, agriculture thrives while everyone else is parched. “I’ve been smiling all the way to the bank,” said pistachio farmer John Dean at a conference hosted this month by Paramount Farms, the mega-operation owned by Stewart Resnick, a Beverly Hills billionaire known for his sprawling agricultural holdings, controversial water dealings, and millions of dollars in campaign contributions to high-powered California politicians including Governor Jerry Brown, former governors Arnold Schwarzenegger and Gray Davis, and U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein.

The record drought now entering its fourth year in California has alarmed the public, left a number of rural communities without drinking water, and triggered calls for mandatory rationing. There’s no relief in sight: The winter rainy season, which was a bust again this year, officially ends on April 15. Nevertheless, some large-scale farmers are enjoying extraordinary profits despite the drought, thanks in part to infusions of what experts call dangerously under-priced water.

Resnick, whose legendary marketing flair included hiring Stephen Colbert to star in a 2014 Super Bowl commercial, told the conference that pistachios generated an average net return of $3,519 per acre in 2014, based on a record wholesale price of $3.53 a pound. Almonds, an even “thirstier” crop, averaged $1,431 per acre.

Agriculture is the heart of California’s worsening water crisis, and the stakes extend far beyond the state’s borders. Not only is California the world’s eighth largest economy, it is an agricultural superpower. It produces roughly half of all the fruits, nuts, and vegetables consumed in the United States—and more than 90 percent of the almonds, tomatoes, strawberries, broccoli and other specialty crops—while exporting vast amounts to China and other overseas customers.

But agriculture consumes a staggering 80 percent of California’s developed water, even as it accounts for only 2 percent of the state’s gross domestic product. Most crops and livestock are produced in the Central Valley, which is, geologically speaking, a desert. The soil is very fertile but crops there can thrive only if massive amounts of irrigation water are applied.
Read the full article to figure out where the water went.

 
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IronWing

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California almond & pistachio farmers, owned by billion dollar hedge funds and retirement boards have consumed mind blowing amounts of water. You would be amazed at how much water it takes to grow high margin almonds and pistachios.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/03/30/how-growers-gamed-california-s-drought.html

Read the full article to figure out where the water went.

Cali is in what, year five of the drought? Driving through the central valley this winter we saw groves that had to have been planted in the past year or two. Same farms had the big banners bitching about the need for farm water and claiming the drought was caused by politicians not by nature and greed.
 

Svnla

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Nov 10, 2003
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As an apartment dweller basically nothing. The landlord is so screwed when water rates go up though.

Me, I'm glad we're selling the house. That pool ain't cheap to keep full!

Your landlord doesn't raise the water charge when the rate went up? Mine does. It was $0, then $10, and now $20 per month, even when I was out of town for almost a whole month.
 

KeithP

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Jun 15, 2000
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Lets see... Brown took office again in 2011. We have been in drought conditions since he took office. I didn't see his press conference, did he explain why he hasn't done squat about the drought in the last 4 years before now?

-KeithP
 
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Lets see... Brown took office again in 2011. We have been in drought conditions since he took office. I didn't see his press conference, did he explain why he hasn't done squat about the drought in the last 4 years before now?

-KeithP

What's he supposed to do, a rain dance?
 

Ns1

No Lifer
Jun 17, 2001
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What's he supposed to do, a rain dance?

Jump start desalination plants 4 years ago instead of a bullet train to nowhere?

Or maybe just start mandatory water restrictions at the beginning of the drought, not when were fucked.
 

schmuckley

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Meanwhile,Nestle pumps 80 million gallons a year out of the aquifer there...out of
Sacramento alone..
They have other wells in California

Through 2009, Nestlé Waters, the division that operates the Millard Canyon facility, provided the state with annual reports, but after that, the flow of information has slowed to a trickle. The state has used a rounded estimate of 244 million gallons pumped out per year — roughly the annual usage for 480 area homes, according to calculations used by area newspaper The Desert Sun.

http://www.mintpressnews.com/nestle-continues-stealing-worlds-water-during-drought/203544/


http://www.truth-out.org/speakout/i...own-nestle-water-bottling-plant-in-sacramento

http://www.desertsun.com/story/news/2015/03/05/bottling-water-california-drought/24389417/ This is the one to read.
Last figure I saw was 704 million gallons annually.


 
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who?

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Or maybe just start mandatory water restrictions at the beginning of the drought, not when were fucked.

At the beginning of the drought you don't expect it to last this long.
 

BoomerD

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I lived in California's Central Valley during the drought in the late 80's and early 90's. We were under severe (for the time) watering restrictions...yet MOST of those didn't apply to businesses. I was allowed to water my lawn during certain evening/night hours on even/odd days...yet when I rode my bicycle to work, the local McDonalds had a guy outside washing down the building and parking lot with a high-pressure hose EVERY MORNING. This went on all over town...and the city parks department watered the park grass on schedule...failed to fix broken sprinklers, and watered the streets almost as much as they did the grassy parts.

We drove down to CA last summer. Lake Shasta was lower than I've ever seen it...and this year, with the dismal rain and snowpack, will be even worse.

As has been mentioned, agriculture uses a HUGE amount of the water in the region...and often, much of that isn't used efficiently. Almond farmers COULD switch to high efficiency drip systems...and many have, but MOST of the orchards are watered by flood irrigation. Open the irrigation canal gate or turn on your deep aquifer pump...flood your acreage with the amount you want...Obviously, on hot days, a LOT of that goes up in evaporation rather than into the ground for the trees/plants that are the target for the water. (I worked for one of the electrical/irrigation utilities for several years...I was constantly amazed at how much water got wasted)
 

Leyawiin

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Almond farmers COULD switch to high efficiency drip systems...and many have, but MOST of the orchards are watered by flood irrigation

Most orchards (almonds, walnuts, pistachios) are on a drip system and have been for some time. I live in Butte County (almonds, English walnuts) and you rarely see a flooded orchard. Rice farmers make up for it though - can't believe they grow such a water hungry crop in the Sacramento Valley and then sell almost all of it to South Korea.
 

gorcorps

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jaha2000

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If people would stop buying the bottled water all the time this would stop.. Comes from the same place as everything else.





Meanwhile,Nestle pumps 80 million gallons a year out of the aquifer there...out of
Sacramento alone..
They have other wells in California

Through 2009, Nestlé Waters, the division that operates the Millard Canyon facility, provided the state with annual reports, but after that, the flow of information has slowed to a trickle. The state has used a rounded estimate of 244 million gallons pumped out per year — roughly the annual usage for 480 area homes, according to calculations used by area newspaper The Desert Sun.

http://www.mintpressnews.com/nestle-continues-stealing-worlds-water-during-drought/203544/


http://www.truth-out.org/speakout/i...own-nestle-water-bottling-plant-in-sacramento

http://www.desertsun.com/story/news/2015/03/05/bottling-water-california-drought/24389417/ This is the one to read.
Last figure I saw was 704 million gallons annually.


 

kranky

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I recently read a story about how water rights work in the Western states. Apparently when you own water rights, your ownership is for a quantity of water, not a percentage of available water. So if someone upstream from you takes the amount of water they are entitled to, and due to low water supply there's not enough left for you, you're screwed. That's the system. So those who are far enough upstream to get all the water they are entitled to are going to take it. And too bad, so sad for those downstream.
 

Reynod

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If every person there gets a cup of water from the tap and tips it into a reservoir in California ... wait ... there are simply not enough Chinese. Cancel that.

I was working off the "kill a fly" or "jump into the air" premise ... wrong country.

 

Vdubchaos

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Nov 11, 2009
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I love it.

Don't wash your car or do other little things.

Meanwhile, businesses take as much water as they want to produce.

Meanwhile, farmers are left out in the dry.

And water companies want to pull another Bolivia on us....which IS coming (go ahead and look it up)

fun fun fun
 

inachu

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If I lived in california right now I would be throwing away all my house plants.
I would rip up the pvc pipes that water the lawn and replace lawn with gravel.

Would invest in water reclamation technology and have the hose go through the window near the kitchen sink to collect the water. I would then buy into the technology the Japanese use to use the shower water in the clothes washer.

Throw out the dish washer and create storage area as replacement.

Water from the roof will go into a barrel that is locked so nobody can steal it.

If I have a backyard then replace the lawn with gravel as well.
 

monkeydelmagico

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I recently read a story about how water rights work in the Western states. Apparently when you own water rights, your ownership is for a quantity of water, not a percentage of available water. So if someone upstream from you takes the amount of water they are entitled to, and due to low water supply there's not enough left for you, you're screwed. That's the system. So those who are far enough upstream to get all the water they are entitled to are going to take it. And too bad, so sad for those downstream.

Then Mexicali valley is borked when Imperial dam gets the last few sips off the colorado river
 

zinfamous

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Jul 12, 2006
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What about all the bazillion golf courses in California? The entire course will be a sand trap except for the putting greens.

good. And it should be that way all over the planet. Nothing worse than a golf course.


anyway, while this is good, it should have been done last year or even the year before.
 
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