California fires: 40 dead, 600+ missing, 5,700 homes/biz destroyed, 100,000 ordered to evacuate

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woolfe9998

Lifer
Apr 8, 2013
16,189
14,102
136
My wife and I happened to be in Napa for wine tasting (her birthday) over the weekend and on Monday when those fires started. We had booked tastings at three wineries on Monday. Two of them called to cancel the reservations. My wife decided to try going to the one that didn't call to cancel, which seemed like a bad idea to me, but whatever. So we show up, and the winery is literally on fire, and some of its vineyards. We could only get to within about 300 yards of it because there was a police cordon.

Downtown Napa was filled with smoke. Took us hours to drive out of Napa County because everyone was leaving. Pretty awful. The loss of the vineyards alone will cost insurance carriers an obscene amount of money. We didn't hear about the loss of life until we returned home. There was no internet anywhere in the north bay all day. No power either except a few businesses which were running on generators.
 

sandorski

No Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
70,127
5,657
126
build in hurricane zones or build in fire zones... choices, choices.

The Western side of North America had an exceptionally bad year for fires. The "fire zones" are not as clearly defined as you seem to think they are.
 

BoomerD

No Lifer
Feb 26, 2006
63,340
11,711
136
Tbe entire town of Calistoga has been under mandatory evacuation orders today. Horrible.
Has anyone heard from AreaCode 707 and Linuxboy? IIRC, they live in the general area...out in the country.
 

Puffnstuff

Lifer
Mar 9, 2005
16,033
4,798
136
That's a lot of people unaccounted for. Hoping it's just from a lot of towers being down
I believe that this one is going to have a tragic ending. Many people waited too long to try to leave. I watched some videos of people evacuating late at night with everything on fire around them on both sides of the roadway forcing them to drive down the middle of the road.
 

Starbuck1975

Lifer
Jan 6, 2005
14,698
1,909
126
This isn't the time to talk about the costs of climate change.
In this particular case we need to talk about the costs of over development. These fires were almost an annual occurance when I lived in CA, and the worst ones usually occurred after a wet winter, which tends to create a lot of undergrowth. In the autumn months when the hot Santa Ana winds peak and conditions at their most arid, all it takes is one little spark to set the whole chain reaction in motion.
 

purbeast0

No Lifer
Sep 13, 2001
52,927
5,797
126
Wow that is really sad. I couldn't imagine living in one of those neighborhoods that just got burnt to a crisp. Literally everything was lost
 

IronWing

No Lifer
Jul 20, 2001
69,474
27,749
136
Holy cow - its crazy that some houses are just fine in that video when the neighbor right next door is demolished
Defensible space mostly works. Details of building construction and landscaping on a house by house, yard by yard basis matter in determining if a property is going to burn. Shake roof vs asphalt shingles, protected eves, double pane windows, trimming ladder fuels, breaking continuous fuels with brick paths all help a lot. Fire mostly spreads by conduction in ground fuels and embers.
 
Reactions: imported_tajmahal
Jul 9, 2009
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2,064
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Defensible space mostly works. Details of building construction and landscaping on a house by house, yard by yard basis matter in determining if a property is going to burn. Shake roof vs asphalt shingles, protected eves, double pane windows, trimming ladder fuels, breaking continuous fuels with brick paths all help a lot. Fire mostly spreads by conduction in ground fuels and embers.
So much this. Thinking ahead, preparing your house and property for what's probably going to be an inevitable fire event. Maintenance maintenance maintenance.
 

Ichinisan

Lifer
Oct 9, 2002
28,298
1,234
136
Defensible space mostly works. Details of building construction and landscaping on a house by house, yard by yard basis matter in determining if a property is going to burn. Shake roof vs asphalt shingles, protected eves, double pane windows, trimming ladder fuels, breaking continuous fuels with brick paths all help a lot. Fire mostly spreads by conduction in ground fuels and embers.
Yeah. I kinda thought developers and homebuilders in California had figured this out 50+ years ago. I didn't think it was still possible to see such thorough devastation in neighborhoods like that.

 

DrunkenSano

Diamond Member
Aug 8, 2008
3,892
490
126
Yeah. I kinda thought developers and homebuilders in California had figured this out 50+ years ago. I didn't think it was still possible to see such thorough devastation in neighborhoods like that.


They probably did figure it out. Problem is, doing all of those things add cost. If you can squeeze a couple more houses into a development by putting them closer together, then you make more money. Once you sell it, not your problem anymore.
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
62,365
14,681
136
So much this. Thinking ahead, preparing your house and property for what's probably going to be an inevitable fire event. Maintenance maintenance maintenance.

As if that would have helped the people in Santa Rosa at all. The fire was enormous & the heat so intense that it caused spontaneous combustion some distance away. It was also wind driven.
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
62,365
14,681
136
The first step is to gut the EPA. Show that bitch who is boss.

Yep. Gut the ACA while you're at it. Then cut taxes at the top, cuz it'll all trickle down, right? Those people need a lot of trickle down...

Trump can buy the ruins for a song & put in a job creating golf course, too...
 
Jul 9, 2009
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As if that would have helped the people in Santa Rosa at all. The fire was enormous & the heat so intense that it caused spontaneous combustion some distance away. It was also wind driven.
My old neighborhood was evacuated, i'm very familiar with the area.
 

Kaido

Elite Member & Kitchen Overlord
Feb 14, 2004
48,516
5,340
136
They probably did figure it out. Problem is, doing all of those things add cost. If you can squeeze a couple more houses into a development by putting them closer together, then you make more money. Once you sell it, not your problem anymore.

That's exactly it. It all boils down to economics. If it's not enforceable code, then people don't HAVE to do it. My buddy just bought a house in a floodplain. Only floods every 50 years, and guess what...it's coming up on that time again. No flood vents or anything built into the house. Derp!
 

bradly1101

Diamond Member
May 5, 2013
4,689
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www.bradlygsmith.org
Since downed power lines and/or ones impacted by trees cause most of these fires during wind events in both southern and northern CA, I always wondered why they don't turn off the power in prone areas before the wind gets bad enough to do this. I know it's an incredible inconvenience to be without power, but does the loss of lives and property make it worth it? I mentioned this before on this forum after another big California fire, and was roundly criticized for being stupid about the issue (but you know how it goes in Internet forums).

http://abc7news.com/pg-e-source-bel...rmers-started-deadly-north-bay-fires/2521710/
 
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