California Illegal Immigrants Entitled To In-State Tuition, Court Says

[fskimospy]

All you have to do is look around San Diego to see how bankrupt it is. I went there a few weeks ago to see a freind was and shocked how streets and sidewalks looked busted up potholes. Huge transformation from my last time there in 1980s..what glorious beautiful city it was... time away really gives perspective. In 20 yrs you may have to go to Tijuana for nice ambiance at this rate.

What on earth are you talking about? The money to fix streets comes overwhelmingly from city taxes, not state ones. If you thought the streets in San Diego were bad, (and they are) it would have very little to do with the budgetary problems of the state of California, it would be budgetary issues of the city of San Diego.

The reason why San Diego specifically has bad roads has to do with an ongoing financial crisis due to a pension fund scandal where a bunch of people were criminally indicted. (although I think they ended up getting off). Again though, that's a local issue.

 

[fskimospy]

The reason this even made into to the California Supreme court is that students who were US CITIZENS who were not California residents were paying the higher Out of State tuition rates while illegal aliens were able to pay the considerably cheaper In state tuition rate.

Why should illegals who are not legal residents of the state be able to get cheaper tuition than that of legal citizens of this country???

Because you are confused as to the requirement to be a resident of the state?

 

[nick1985]

Oh no! They have to pay in-state tuition instead of out-of-state tuition. The sky is falling!

You are so enlightened.

 

[Zebo]

What on earth are you talking about? The money to fix streets comes overwhelmingly from city taxes, not state ones. If you thought the streets in San Diego were bad, (and they are) it would have very little to do with the budgetary problems of the state of California, it would be budgetary issues of the city of San Diego.

The reason why San Diego specifically has bad roads has to do with an ongoing financial crisis due to a pension fund scandal where a bunch of people were criminally indicted. (although I think they ended up getting off). Again though, that's a local issue.

SD is what awaits CA is what I was getting at. Migration of an impoverished workforce started in SD and moved up. I'm not one to blame illegals for our woes, however when you don't have 100% employment to begin with with offshoring, outselling and whatnot it's not wise to bring in more dependents and pay for them.

yeah he mentioned the people worked like 5 years and get full pension. But that's but one factor, and awaits all of CA too. Google Ca pension timebomb.

 

[spacejamz]

Yes, it is. Out-of-state citizens don't get that, and they at least pay federal taxes. The whole point of getting in-state tuition is that you're getting something back for your state taxes. Illegals don't pay state tax. Therefore, they are stealing subsidized education.

No illegal alien should EVER get a privilege that a citizen doesn't get.

according to the article:

A state appellate court ruled in 2008 the law was unconstitutional after a group of out-of-state students who are U.S. citizens filed a lawsuit. The suit alleged the measure violated federal prohibitions barring illegal immigrants from receiving post-secondary benefits not available to U.S. citizens based on state residency.

Clearly, the illegals are getting a tuition benefit versus US Citizens. The whole issue here is that the Judge seems to the that these illegal aliens are valid California residents

 

[spacejamz]

Because you are confused as to the requirement to be a resident of the state?

Illegal is illegal no matter how many times you stick you head in the sand....

 

[sactoking]

according to the article:

A state appellate court ruled in 2008 the law was unconstitutional after a group of out-of-state students who are U.S. citizens filed a lawsuit. The suit alleged the measure violated federal prohibitions barring illegal immigrants from receiving post-secondary benefits not available to U.S. citizens based on state residency.

Clearly, the illegals are getting a tuition benefit versus US Citizens. The whole issue here is that the Judge seems to the that these illegal aliens are valid California residents

Actually, the whole issue here is that the Judges seem to think that the California statute does not hinge on residency. Since the requirement is attendance of a California high school for 3 years and graduation from a California high school in order to qualify for "in-state" tuition the granting of said lowered tuition rate to illegal immigrants is not contrary to the Federal law. US citizens are not being denied privileges granted to non-citizens on the basis of their state of residency, which is what Federal law prohibits; US citizens are being denied privileges granted to non-citizens on the basis of where they went to high school.

Now, that argument is very questionable to me, as I pointed out above. Yes, there are ways for a non-resident to attend high school in California in the private system but I do not know of any way for a non-resident to attend high school in California in the public system.

The California statue may not violate the letter of the Federal law given its lack of focus on "residency" but violates in spirit by accomplishing the same end result through either creative wording or creative interpretation. I would be very surprised if there were a statistically significant number of non-citizens who are also non-residents who qualify for "in-state" tuition through their attendance at a private California high school.

 

[fskimospy]

SD is what awaits CA is what I was getting at. Migration of an impoverished workforce started in SD and moved up. I'm not one to blame illegals for our woes, however when you don't have 100% employment to begin with with offshoring, outselling and whatnot it's not wise to bring in more dependents and pay for them.

yeah he mentioned the people worked like 5 years and get full pension. But that's but one factor, and awaits all of CA too. Google Ca pension timebomb.

A criminal pension scandal awaits California? San Diego's illegal population is significantly lower than other areas of California, and I am unaware of any credible analysis that shows the burden of illegals contributing significantly to the budget shortfall or lack of road maintenance. Can you provide any?

Oh, and the TERMS of the pension had nothing to do with it, it was criminal and negligent management that put them in the hole. Google San Diego pension crisis.

I was a resident of california for a decade and worked with both city and state governments on a limited basis, trust me I know what I'm talking about.

 

[Kadarin]

Oh no! They have to pay in-state tuition instead of out-of-state tuition. The sky is falling!

It's a fairness issue; these illegal aliens are deliberately working the system in order to gain something they're not entitled to.

 

[Double Trouble]

I'm sure ultimately it's a drop in the bucket in terms of the state budget shortfall. It's a matter of principle though. How in the world can any sane person think it's OK to grant illegal aliens benefits that legal American citizens can not get. Sickening. This country is screwed.

 

[Jaskalas]

No illegal alien should EVER get a privilege that a citizen doesn't get.

The invaders are a protected class.

 

[spittledip]

I'm sure ultimately it's a drop in the bucket in terms of the state budget shortfall. It's a matter of principle though. How in the world can any sane person think it's OK to grant illegal aliens benefits that legal American citizens can not get. Sickening. This country is screwed.

People obviously put party before clear-headed thinking and justice. Look in any number of threads and you will see the same unbelievable foolishness.

 

[drebo]

Oh no! They have to pay in-state tuition instead of out-of-state tuition. The sky is falling!

You forget that California UCs and CSUs are HEAVILY subsidised by taxes. More people in college that shouldn't be = more tax money toward state schools.

I have no problem subsidising college educations for people who should actually be in college. I do, however, have a problem with providing state social services and welfare to people who do not belong here.

 

[Attic]

Looks like the court was able to rigerously apply the law without regard for its intent.

We should be thankful for these educated idiots to show us so clearly the pitfalls of our system.

 

[Greenman]

Another nail in the coffin, an inch closer to the cliff, one more straw on the camels back. California is going to implode, it's not if, but when.

 

[Sinsear]

The invaders are a protected class.

Future votes.

 

[drebo]

Future votes.

Current voters.

 

[fskimospy]

Wow, all the people who don't live in California and have never lived in California sure have a lot of interesting things to say!

And by interesting, I mean stupid.

 

[cixx79]

Oh no, its the end of the world, the apocalypse, the end is near!!!!!

 

[senseamp]

Was gonna tell my girl to let her student visa lapse, but then saw the 3 years in high school requirement. Oh well.

 

[dammitgibs]

Wow, all the people who don't live in California and have never lived in California sure have a lot of interesting things to say!

And by interesting, I mean stupid.

Well I am a CSUS alumni, I know first hand about the tuition costs rising every year, the overcrowding of classrooms (last spring semester they didn't even accept freshman), and I am a tax payer, so I will confirm for everyone out of state that yes this is just as ridiculous as it sounds.

 

[Jhhnn]

Actually, the whole issue here is that the Judges seem to think that the California statute does not hinge on residency. Since the requirement is attendance of a California high school for 3 years and graduation from a California high school in order to qualify for "in-state" tuition the granting of said lowered tuition rate to illegal immigrants is not contrary to the Federal law. US citizens are not being denied privileges granted to non-citizens on the basis of their state of residency, which is what Federal law prohibits; US citizens are being denied privileges granted to non-citizens on the basis of where they went to high school.

Now, that argument is very questionable to me, as I pointed out above. Yes, there are ways for a non-resident to attend high school in California in the private system but I do not know of any way for a non-resident to attend high school in California in the public system.

The California statue may not violate the letter of the Federal law given its lack of focus on "residency" but violates in spirit by accomplishing the same end result through either creative wording or creative interpretation. I would be very surprised if there were a statistically significant number of non-citizens who are also non-residents who qualify for "in-state" tuition through their attendance at a private California high school.

The California SCOTUS lacks the authority to rule wrt the issue of federal law, entirely. The law allowing illegal residents in state tuition does not violate the California constitution, per their ruling. If the anti- immigrant plaintiffs want to pursue the matter further, they can do it in federal court, or take it up with the California legislature. That issue has not been decided.

None of the usual raving means a damned thing, other than being illustrative of the ignorance of the ravers.

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

Oh no! They have to pay in-state tuition instead of out-of-state tuition. The sky is falling!

tuition is lower for those who live in-state because residents pay taxes which support state universities.
you figure out the rest you smart asian you.

 

[bfdd]

weak sauce :|

 

[DominionSeraph]

It's a fairness issue; these illegal aliens are deliberately working the system in order to gain something they're not entitled to.

Did you miss the part where the California voters passed this into law?
For an economically disadvantaged youth to graduate high school is no small thing. For him to want to continue on to college shows an even greater desire to better himself.

Again we have a case where conservatives are throwing out their supposed ideal for states' rights so they can get out their racism instead.

Gotta love how the supposed moral absolutists are the biggest moral relativists.