California on the verge of passing sweeping gun control measures

[TakeNoPrisoners]

https://www.firearmspolicy.org/alerts/gunpocalypse-hits-the-senate-floor/

Full list of bills being considered as early as May 19th

AB 156: Bans common ammunition purchases, creates a DOJ database of ammunition owners.
AB 857: Requires serialization of ALL unserialized firearms, both retroactively and moving forward.
AB 1135: Bans common and constitutionally protected firearms that have magazine locking devices, such as “bullet buttons”.
AB 1511: Criminalizes loaning of firearms between personally known, law-abiding adults.
SB 880: Bans common and constitutionally protected firearms that have magazine locking devices, such as “bullet buttons”.
SB 894: Victimizes victims by criminalizing the failure to report lost and stolen firearms within a short time frame.
SB 1006: University of California taxpayer funding for gun control research.
SB 1407: Requires serialization of ALL unserialized firearms, both retroactively and moving forward.
SB 1446: Retroactively bans possession of lawfully acquired, standard capacity magazines that can hold over 10 rounds.
SB 1235: Bans common ammunition purchases, creates a DOJ database of ammunition owners.

So how many lives will this save? 0. This does nothing but further inconvenience law abiding gun owners and restrict constitutional rights.


California has truly fallen off the deep end.

 

[PokerGuy]

... and yet the lefties keep telling us that nobody is looking to ban guns, that the right wing gun nuts are all paranoid. Uh huh.

 

[Subyman]

Some are good such as finally legalizing government gun control research. This type of government research shouldn't be banned. The bullet button was a way around previous laws, so they are trying to shore that up. I'm not saying I support that though. I need to do more reading into the ammo ban. What is "common" ammo? That wording is strange. Are we talking about 9mm or are they meaning something else?

 

[bruceb]

What else would you expect from the state of Comifornia ? ?
They already had strict gun laws and now it will get worse.
Just like New York, Connecticut, New Jersey to name a few.
Keeping guns from law abiding citizens who acquired them legally
will not stop criminals from getting or using whatever guns they want.

 

[TakeNoPrisoners]

... and yet the lefties keep telling us that nobody is looking to ban guns, that the right wing gun nuts are all paranoid. Uh huh.

The worst thing is, this will ban all semi auto centerfire guns that can accept detachable magazines.

The only type that will be allowed are those with internal magazines like the M1 Garand.

Not even Canada has it this bad.

 

[chucky2]

Look, I'm as big firearms proponent as anyone, in addition to supporting what "shall not be infringed" was clearly intended to mean.

However, stuff like this doesn't do the pro-firearm crowd any good. Making sh1t up like this like any Politicians would actually waste time and effort on, as some part of hysteria, doesn't make us look like a balanced group. When something like this is actually a proposed bill, something some f*cking imbecile has actually put forth (thereby indicating they're mentally unfit for office due to complete stupidity), that's the time to point it out.

 

[Subyman]

The worst thing is, this will ban all semi auto centerfire guns that can accept detachable magazines.

The only type that will be allowed are those with internal magazines like the M1 Garand.

Not even Canada has it this bad.

From what I understand they already tried to do this years ago, but the "bullet button" was a device that provided a loop hole to the law. They are shoring that up.

 

[waggy]

https://www.firearmspolicy.org/alerts/gunpocalypse-hits-the-senate-floor/

Full list of bills being considered as early as May 19th

AB 156: Bans common ammunition purchases, creates a DOJ database of ammunition owners.
AB 857: Requires serialization of ALL unserialized firearms, both retroactively and moving forward.
AB 1135: Bans common and constitutionally protected firearms that have magazine locking devices, such as “bullet buttons”.
AB 1511: Criminalizes loaning of firearms between personally known, law-abiding adults.
SB 880: Bans common and constitutionally protected firearms that have magazine locking devices, such as “bullet buttons”.
SB 894: Victimizes victims by criminalizing the failure to report lost and stolen firearms within a short time frame.
SB 1006: University of California taxpayer funding for gun control research.
SB 1407: Requires serialization of ALL unserialized firearms, both retroactively and moving forward.
SB 1446: Retroactively bans possession of lawfully acquired, standard capacity magazines that can hold over 10 rounds.
SB 1235: Bans common ammunition purchases, creates a DOJ database of ammunition owners.

So how many lives will this save? 0. This does nothing but further inconvenience law abiding gun owners and restrict constitutional rights.


California has truly fallen off the deep end.

and there is justification on WHY we need the NRA and such.

the gun manufacturers thank CA for shit like this. It will not pass and will do nothing but make people go buy more guns.

also when you anti-gun people say why they are worried theywill point to this.

"creates a DOJ database of ammunition owners." is just a step on a list to ban on guns. now they know what and where.

nice..

 

[TakeNoPrisoners]

Look, I'm as big firearms proponent as anyone, in addition to supporting what "shall not be infringed" was clearly intended to mean.

However, stuff like this doesn't do the pro-firearm crowd any good. Making sh1t up like this like any Politicians would actually waste time and effort on, as some part of hysteria, doesn't make us look like a balanced group. When something like this is actually a proposed bill, something some f*cking imbecile has actually put forth (thereby indicating they're mentally unfit for office due to complete stupidity), that's the time to point it out.

What are you talking about? These bills have passed committee and are heading to the floor for a vote. That is exactly the criteria you are talking about.

 

[glenn1]

From what I understand they already tried to do this years ago, but the "bullet button" was a device that provided a loop hole to the law. They are shoring that up.

You don't need to call it a loophole when it's a factor of the state passing a poorly written law that led the CA Department of Justice to say that a round of ammunition was a tool for purposes of the detachable magazine restrictions.

That being said I revert to my standard position on these types of laws: counter-productive and stupid, but if your state truly wants to live under stupid laws then you as sovereign citizens of your state should have that right.

 

[Subyman]

You don't need to call it a loophole when it's a factor of the state passing a poorly written law that led the CA Department of Justice to say that a round of ammunition was a tool for purposes of the detachable magazine restrictions.

That being said I revert to my standard position on these types of laws: counter-productive and stupid, but if your state truly wants to live under stupid laws then you as sovereign citizens of your state should have that right.

I agree, a poorly written law that provided a loop hole, like I said. They are trying to rework that to, I assume, patch up the law to work as originally intended.

I need to dig around to see what "common ammo" is supposed to mean.

 

[Bart*Simpson]

I expect Governor Jerry Brown to veto most if not all of these bills. He vetoed serialization before and I doubt he's changed his mind and he's also said that databases of purchasers don't do anything besides waste money and Jerry is all about being frugal with money.

 

[Genx87]

Liberal Fascism at work. Lovely state if it weren't for the authoritarians living there.

 

[Bart*Simpson]

Look, I'm as big firearms proponent as anyone, in addition to supporting what "shall not be infringed" was clearly intended to mean.

However, stuff like this doesn't do the pro-firearm crowd any good. Making sh1t up like this like any Politicians would actually waste time and effort on, as some part of hysteria, doesn't make us look like a balanced group. When something like this is actually a proposed bill, something some f*cking imbecile has actually put forth (thereby indicating they're mentally unfit for office due to complete stupidity), that's the time to point it out.

You really have no fucking clue as to what you're talking about, do you? All of these bills are real and you can look them up for yourself right here:

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/bilinfo.html

 

[glenn1]

I agree, a poorly written law that provided a loop hole, like I said. They are trying to rework that to, I assume, patch up the law to work as originally intended.

I need to dig around to see what "common ammo" is supposed to mean.

Absent the particulars I'm going to take a SWAG and presume they want to ban jacketed hollowpoints or softpoints, overpressure rounds of any type (e.g. +P loadings like HydraShocks), and perhaps frangibles.

 

[sm625]

This is a good thing because it means California will attract more crazies/pill poppers/jihadis. So the rest of the country should be safer in comparison.

 

[TakeNoPrisoners]

One thing that is interesting about this law is you can register current bullet button equipped rifles as assault weapons.

Once registered as an assault weapon you can do whatever you want, like remove the bullet button and put evil features on it. I also hear you can make a SBR out of any registered assault weapon with no issues.

They probably don't realize they will create overnight a HUGE number of people with evil scary assault weapons.

 

[DrPizza]

Damn you California! <shakes fist>
I still can't find .22 ammo in stores. It wasn't that long ago that you could pick up a box of 500 rounds of .22 ammo for a few dollars. Now, the stuff vanishes from stores the moment it's stocked, and costs many multiples of what it used to cost.

Your stupid registered ammo owners clause is going to cause a huge rush for people to hoard even more ammo before they have to sign to purchase it.

 

[Svnla]

Have to be in a database if you buy ammo? Wow, just wow.

Can't own any magazine with over 10 bullets? Even they were purchased years ago? Wow. Why limit at 10? Why not just 1 or two or better yet, only allow single shot and load such as muskets.

Is this still the land of the free?

I am sure the gang bangers would fully comply. LOL.

 

[K1052]

I expect Governor Jerry Brown to veto most if not all of these bills. He vetoed serialization before and I doubt he's changed his mind and he's also said that databases of purchasers don't do anything besides waste money and Jerry is all about being frugal with money.

This. I would be surprised if any of these became law.

 

[K1052]

and there is justification on WHY we need the NRA and such.

Need more "such" and less NRA.

 

[ivwshane]

Sweet! Now if we can make it a requirement for gun dealers and shooting range to have facilities on the premise to handle emergency services and hospital admitting privileges just in case something goes wrong. Maybe California will also make it so that in order to buy a gun and ammo they will require proof that all a buyers taxes (income, property, child support, dmv) are paid and they are current. It would probably help to also male it that all five are required to be painted pink and have at least one penis drawn on it. I think guns should probably have a speaker built into them that above that there is a fun present so that people will know when they aren't in a fun free zone.
Lastly, it should be legal to fire employees who own guns or at least have the ability for employers to prevent employees from spending money paid to them on guns.

 

[Enigmoid]

As a Canadian I love these threads.


Seems like America still hasn't gotten the memo that nobody can get shot if nobody has a gun.

 

[werepossum]

You don't need to call it a loophole when it's a factor of the state passing a poorly written law that led the CA Department of Justice to say that a round of ammunition was a tool for purposes of the detachable magazine restrictions.

That being said I revert to my standard position on these types of laws: counter-productive and stupid, but if your state truly wants to live under stupid laws then you as sovereign citizens of your state should have that right.

The state should not have the ability to take away one's Constitutional rights. That's one big reason we have the Bill of Rights.

 

[Subyman]

Link to the Ammo bill:
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201520160SB1235

A little too much for me. That is a lot of data collection just to buy some hand gun ammo.