California school can ban US flag.

Matt1970

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Officials at a Northern California high school acted appropriately when they ordered students wearing American flag T-shirts to turn the garments inside out during the Mexican heritage celebration Cinco de Mayo, a federal appeals court ruled Thursday.

The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals said the officials' concerns of racial violence outweighed students' freedom of expression rights. Administrators feared the American-flag shirts would enflame the passions of Latino students celebrating the Mexican holiday. Live Oak High School, in the San Jose suburb of Morgan Hill, had a history of problems between white and Latino students on that day.

The unanimous three-judge panel said past problems gave school officials sufficient and justifiable reasons for their actions. The court said schools have wide latitude in curbing certain civil rights to ensure campus safety.

"Our role is not to second-guess the decision to have a Cinco de Mayo celebration or the precautions put in place to avoid violence," Judge M. Margaret McKeown wrote for the panel. The past events "made it reasonable for school officials to proceed as though the threat of a potentially violent disturbance was real," she wrote.

The case garnered national attention as many expressed outrage that students were barred from wearing patriotic clothing. The Ann Arbor, Mich.-based American Freedom Law Center, a politically conservative legal aid foundation, and other similar organizations took up the students' case and sued the high school and the school district.

William Becker, one of the lawyers representing the students, said he plans to ask a special 11-judge panel of the appeals court to rehear the case. Becker said he would appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court if he loses again.

"The 9th Circuit upheld the rights of Mexican students celebrating a holiday of another country over U.S. student proudly supporting this country," Becker said.

Cinco de Mayo marks the Battle of Puebla on May 5, 1862, when Mexican troops defeated a French army of Napoleon III, then considered the mightiest military in the world. It is considered a bigger holiday in the U.S., celebrating Mexican heritage with parades and revelry in many major cities.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/court-school-ban-us-flag-shirts-safety-22709433

This is what it's come to. We are actually afraid the American Flag will enrage the Latino students. Good job California.
 
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Schools have a lot of leeway when it comes to banning clothing, so while I think the entire situation is ridiculous, I'm indifferent to the school's response. But I am curious why some people (stereotypically conservatives) are so anxious to drape themselves in the flag when the US Flag Code specifically states the flag should never be worn? I guess I've never understood the need to loudly proclaim one's allegiance to a particular group, whether it's a Nation, a religion, or otherwise... But to each their own.
 

thraashman

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The problem here isn't so much that kids wore American flag shirts. It's that they did it specifically to try to incense the Mexican American population at the school. It'd be the same if a student intentionally wore a Confederate flag shirt during black history month. This situation comes close to the "yelling fire in a crowded theater" exception to free speech. It's being done due to safety concerns. If the students weren't doing it specifically to attempt to start a racial fight, then there'd be no problem with it.
 

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The problem here isn't so much that kids wore American flag shirts. It's that they did it specifically to try to incense the Mexican American population at the school. It'd be the same if a student intentionally wore a Confederate flag shirt during black history month. This situation comes close to the "yelling fire in a crowded theater" exception to free speech. It's being done due to safety concerns. If the students weren't doing it specifically to attempt to start a racial fight, then there'd be no problem with it.

This. You want to wear your American flag t-shirt on the fourth of July? Go for it.
 

Matt1970

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The problem here isn't so much that kids wore American flag shirts. It's that they did it specifically to try to incense the Mexican American population at the school. It'd be the same if a student intentionally wore a Confederate flag shirt during black history month. This situation comes close to the "yelling fire in a crowded theater" exception to free speech. It's being done due to safety concerns. If the students weren't doing it specifically to attempt to start a racial fight, then there'd be no problem with it.

So a reminder that they are actually in America will enrage them? Maybe we can hide the fact that they are in America for the day too. That ought to be easy.
 

Matt1970

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This. You want to wear your American flag t-shirt on the fourth of July? Go for it.

No, I want to wear my American flag t-shirt whenever I want to without fear of enraging the oversensitive. We are in America incase some of you didn't notice.
 

Jaskalas

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I see, you have free speech unless someone violent threatens you. Then for your own safety the government will force you to shut up. !@#$ the flag, !@#$ your rights, national security.

Heaven forbid we deal with violent individuals who'd attack our flag. Much easier to deal with the peaceful individuals and restrict their peaceful action.
 

ivwshane

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Officials at a Northern California high school acted appropriately when they ordered students wearing American flag T-shirts to turn the garments inside out during the Mexican heritage celebration Cinco de Mayo, a federal appeals court ruled Thursday.

The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals said the officials' concerns of racial violence outweighed students' freedom of expression rights. Administrators feared the American-flag shirts would enflame the passions of Latino students celebrating the Mexican holiday. Live Oak High School, in the San Jose suburb of Morgan Hill, had a history of problems between white and Latino students on that day.

The unanimous three-judge panel said past problems gave school officials sufficient and justifiable reasons for their actions. The court said schools have wide latitude in curbing certain civil rights to ensure campus safety.

"Our role is not to second-guess the decision to have a Cinco de Mayo celebration or the precautions put in place to avoid violence," Judge M. Margaret McKeown wrote for the panel. The past events "made it reasonable for school officials to proceed as though the threat of a potentially violent disturbance was real," she wrote.

The case garnered national attention as many expressed outrage that students were barred from wearing patriotic clothing. The Ann Arbor, Mich.-based American Freedom Law Center, a politically conservative legal aid foundation, and other similar organizations took up the students' case and sued the high school and the school district.

William Becker, one of the lawyers representing the students, said he plans to ask a special 11-judge panel of the appeals court to rehear the case. Becker said he would appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court if he loses again.

"The 9th Circuit upheld the rights of Mexican students celebrating a holiday of another country over U.S. student proudly supporting this country," Becker said.

Cinco de Mayo marks the Battle of Puebla on May 5, 1862, when Mexican troops defeated a French army of Napoleon III, then considered the mightiest military in the world. It is considered a bigger holiday in the U.S., celebrating Mexican heritage with parades and revelry in many major cities.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/court-school-ban-us-flag-shirts-safety-22709433

This is what it's come to. We are actually afraid the American Flag will enrage the Latino students. Good job California.

Do you ever get tired of being a hack? Learning from past experiences is a basic trait of survival, one in which you don't seem capable of understanding.

Taking precautions for things that have happened in the past seems pretty fucking smart to me.
 

Matt1970

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Do you ever get tired of being a hack? Learning from past experiences is a basic trait of survival, one in which you don't seem capable of understanding.

Taking precautions for things that have happened in the past seems pretty fucking smart to me.

Like it was so eloquently put "Heaven forbid we deal with violent individuals who'd attack our flag. Much easier to deal with the peaceful individuals and restrict their peaceful action."

The only hack found is you. You would rather have people tell you that you can't wear an American flag t-shirt in an American school because it may offend some people.
 
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If this is the story I am thinking about keep in mind those flag shirts are not to display being a patriot they are being worn to stir shit up for no good reason. Kind of like a clan rally and everyone decides to wear robes with the flag on them. I wouldn't call that patriotism.
 

thraashman

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So a reminder that they are actually in America will enrage them? Maybe we can hide the fact that they are in America for the day too. That ought to be easy.

The reason for wearing the flag was not to remind them they're actually in America but to call them un-American for celebrating their Mexican heritage. As I said, it'd be the same as wearing a confederate flag to an MLK day celebration. Being intentionally inflammatory, even if it's free speech, is generally been accepted as something schools are legally allowed to curtail.
 

thraashman

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I see, you have free speech unless someone violent threatens you. Then for your own safety the government will force you to shut up. !@#$ the flag, !@#$ your rights, national security.

Heaven forbid we deal with violent individuals who'd attack our flag. Much easier to deal with the peaceful individuals and restrict their peaceful action.

Peaceful my ass, they were trying to start shit. It may be within your free speech to call a black person the n-word but there's not a sane person alive who'd say you were being peaceful when you did it.
 

cyclohexane

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Like it was so eloquently put "Heaven forbid we deal with violent individuals who'd attack our flag. Much easier to deal with the peaceful individuals and restrict their peaceful action."

The only hack found is you. You would rather have people tell you that you can't wear an American flag t-shirt in an American school because it may offend some people.

People shouldn't cover themselves with the flag anyway, out of respect.

You, on the other hand, is full of shit - and want to stir up shit when there isn't any.
 

hal2kilo

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The problem here isn't so much that kids wore American flag shirts. It's that they did it specifically to try to incense the Mexican American population at the school. It'd be the same if a student intentionally wore a Confederate flag shirt during black history month. This situation comes close to the "yelling fire in a crowded theater" exception to free speech. It's being done due to safety concerns. If the students weren't doing it specifically to attempt to start a racial fight, then there'd be no problem with it.

Ok, now I'm starting to reach my limit.

Is Cinco de Mayo an official California holiday? I know it's not a Federal holiday.

You think the school celebrating another country's independence could be a source of creating the tension in the first fucking place?
 
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thraashman

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Ok, now I'm starting to reach my limit.

Is Cinco de Mayo an official California holiday? I know it's not a Federal holiday.

You think the school celebrating another country's independence could be a source of creating the tension in the first fucking place?

I guess if you're ignorant enough to think that Cinco de Mayo is a celebration of Mexico's independence then you'd be the type to get tense at those who celebrate their heritage.


And I know that I choose St. Patrick's Day as the day in which I try to antagonize Irish people and Ash Wednesday as the day when I try to antagonize Catholics and Yom Kippur as the day I try to antagonize Jewish people...
 
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hal2kilo

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I guess if you're ignorant enough to think that Cinco de Mayo is a celebration of Mexico's independence then you'd be the type to get tense at those who celebrate their heritage.


And I know that I choose St. Patrick's Day as the day in which I try to antagonize Irish people and Ash Wednesday as the day when I try to antagonize Catholics and Yom Kippur as the day I try to antagonize Jewish people...

Oh excuse me. I actually am aware that it is not their independence day, but was just a general way of referencing it.

So, you are saying it is now the equivalent of St. Patty's or Columbus day?
 

MagickMan

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Since it isn't an officially recognized holiday, even for that school system, the school system needs to keep their noses out of it.
 
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