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Vic

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I just think it's a bad idea. I can't speak for anyone else. I'd argue that most of their other demands would address the issue with varying degrees of success, and as far as their desire for affordable housing, that I agree with as well. I just can't get behind designated areas based on race or any other attribute students can't control.
I agree that it's a bad idea. People should try to get along without letting some irrelevant factor like the amount of skin pigment get in the way. But apparently it does.
 

Roflmouth

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Just a heads up the washingtontimes is moonie propaganda and as such is prone to using terminology which is purposely misleading. You can tell because they straight up try to use a name that misleads people into thinking they're a legit news source.

If you were too scared to substantively respond to the article, you could've just said so
 

Vic

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People are being denied the ability to live in certain campus dorms due solely to race and you see no problem with that? The particular race shouldn't really be relevant to your opinion.
Of the many many things that I have a problem with, this falls way way down near the bottom of the list.

People nowadays seem to have difficulty with priorities. All the outrage is about things that little to no impact on their own lives.
But.. if you're really concerned about this, by all means, please write your congressperson or CSU directly. That would be much more effective than posting about it here. Someone might even believe that you actually care.
 

aigomorla

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separation only reinforces segregation which reinforces stereotypes to develop which turns into prejudice.

skin color, race, nationality should never be looked at independently.
by doing so its already the fundamental definition of prejudice and stereo type.

"Because we are X we need to be with other X.... "
"We need to compete with Y because we are X..."

These thoughts are very wrong... and that is why society is messed up.
 
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Darwin333

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Of the many many things that I have a problem with, this falls way way down near the bottom of the list.

People nowadays seem to have difficulty with priorities. All the outrage is about things that little to no impact on their own lives.
But.. if you're really concerned about this, by all means, please write your congressperson or CSU directly. That would be much more effective than posting about it here. Someone might even believe that you actually care.

Actually my purpose of posting here is to have an intelligent debate and maybe learn something new or possibly learn some perspective. Considering your post I'm not sure what you are doing here other than wasting your time by adding nothing of value to the debate and having no impact on the issue either.

And just because something doesn't impact me personally doesn't mean that I can't have an opinion on the subject. The vast majority of intelligent people have opinions on countless things that don't necessarily "impact" them personally. I will ask the obvious though, since this doesn't impact you and thus you should have no opinion whatsoever why exactly are you bothering posting in the thread?
 

highland145

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I get that if you feel you're being attacked that you'd want somewhere safe to go, but that's what private property is for. This separate housing thing just seems like the wrong direction.
Uh, no. "I don't want you at my golf course."

Racist all the way around.
 

Vic

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Actually my purpose of posting here is to have an intelligent debate and maybe learn something new or possibly learn some perspective. Considering your post I'm not sure what you are doing here other than wasting your time by adding nothing of value to the debate and having no impact on the issue either.

And just because something doesn't impact me personally doesn't mean that I can't have an opinion on the subject. The vast majority of intelligent people have opinions on countless things that don't necessarily "impact" them personally. I will ask the obvious though, since this doesn't impact you and thus you should have no opinion whatsoever why exactly are you bothering posting in the thread?
I'm here because I have a strong dislike to the style of yellow journalism used by certain outlets like the Washington Times, where they take a relatively minor issue, usually something with only a localized impact and involving consenting parties, and sensationalize it purely to generate outrage.
I get it that there's no story in reporting that CSU and this student union came to a mutual agreement, but this rhetoric that all Democrats/libuhruls are trying to bring back segregation, but this time with whites as the oppressed class, is just paranoid propaganda.
 
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HamburgerBoy

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I'm here because I have a strong dislike to the style of yellow journalism used by certain outlets like the Washington Times, where they take a relatively minor issue, usually something with only a localized impact and involving consenting parties, and sensationalize it purely to generate outrage.
I get it that there's no story in reporting that CSU and this student union came to a mutual agreement, but this rhetoric that all Democrats/libuhruls are trying to bring back segregation, but this time with whites as the oppressed class, is just paranoid propaganda.

Is this issue minor only because it's localized? Would you care only if all schools introduced segregated dorms? Do any issues matter until they threaten to become widespread? Did tax payers and students not part of this student union of CSULA "consent" to this?
 

Vic

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Is this issue minor only because it's localized? Would you care only if all schools introduced segregated dorms? Do any issues matter until they threaten to become widespread? Did tax payers and students not part of this student union of CSULA "consent" to this?

I would be more concerned if anyone was actually being harmed.
 

Starbuck1975

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As a private institution, these colleges and universities have a right to create safe spaces as they don't explicitely exclude anyone. The students using these facilities will be poorly equipped to enter the real world.
 
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master_shake_

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it's not segregation, that's forced.

it's seclusion, that's a choice.

PC up that bitch a bit.
 

Darwin333

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I would be more concerned if anyone was actually being harmed.

Since you are admittedly removed from the situation, how exactly do you know that no one is being harmed? As of now the only thing that I know for a fact is that housing is being segregated based solely on race and you seem to agree with that.
 

Darwin333

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As a private institution, these colleges and universities have a right to create safe spaces as they don't explicitely exclude anyone. The students using these facilities will be poorly equipped to enter the real world.

Again, I am no lawyer and am not familiar with the law but I am pretty damn sure that a restaurant can't post a white only sign outside and deny anyone that isn't white to enter their establishment. I'm pretty damn sure that you couldn't even do that if you were renting an apartment but a state institution can do it with publicly funded housing???
 

Starbuck1975

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Again, I am no lawyer and am not familiar with the law but I am pretty damn sure that a restaurant can't post a white only sign outside and deny anyone that isn't white to enter their establishment. I'm pretty damn sure that you couldn't even do that if you were renting an apartment but a state institution can do it with publicly funded housing???
In their official statement, the university states these spaces are open to all students. The spaces are not excluding anyone, so there probably isn't a legal implication. However it is fair game to mock the entire notion of creating a space free of micro aggressions, a concept only academia could invent and champion
 

IronWing

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it's not segregation, that's forced.

it's seclusion, that's a choice.

PC up that bitch a bit.
Explain that to the non-black students on campus who wouldn't be allowed to live in the "secluded" dorm.

Edit: Will have to read up on what the university is actually proposing though. The Moonie paper has a history of lying.
 

master_shake_

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Explain that to the non-black students on campus who wouldn't be allowed to live in the "secluded" dorm.

Edit: Will have to read up on what the university is actually proposing though. The Moonie paper has a history of lying.

easy.

you tell them that they are the ones the other students are trying to be secluded from.
 

stormkroe

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Of the many many things that I have a problem with, this falls way way down near the bottom of the list.

People nowadays seem to have difficulty with priorities. All the outrage is about things that little to no impact on their own lives.
But.. if you're really concerned about this, by all means, please write your congressperson or CSU directly. That would be much more effective than posting about it here. Someone might even believe that you actually care.

You have admitted to having trouble understanding what the big deal is and why people are mad. Try flipping the races from black to white and pretend Trump is the owner of the housing that's accommodating the request.
You got it now
 

agent00f

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In their official statement, the university states these spaces are open to all students. The spaces are not excluding anyone, so there probably isn't a legal implication. However it is fair game to mock the entire notion of creating a space free of micro aggressions, a concept only academia could invent and champion

Washingtontimes readers aren't really the type to understand academic anything so it's questionable whether they can make such a determination.
 

Ackmed

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I posted this article in the Cap thread.

Not the only school to do this either. Giving blacks and other colored people dorm just for themselves is idiotic, and segregation. Which certainly would not be allowed if the other way. The reasoning is also silly and hypocritical. While a white person may be allowed technically, even implying they aren't welcome is wrong to do.

Then were do blacks go when other blacks make "insensitive remarks" to them about their race, and microaggressions (made up word btw)? In my experience blacks can be just as, if not more racist than anyone else towards their own. Doing racist things, then complaining about racism is idiotic, as with this housing.
 

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It looks like they are right on the edge of segregation so it will come down to how the applicants are actually processed. I do think its interesting that a lot of the argument seems to be around how the building is structured. Looks like its just a single hall in the dorm so there are a lot of arguments like this from current participants:
“We don’t want to come off as we are separating ourselves,” Rodgers said. “If you want to live in the black dorms, you shouldn’t have that fixed mindset … Oh, I just want to live the black dorms because I’m black.’ In this whole building, there are other races,” Rodgers explained."
and
Jonathan Thomas, a participant in the program, told CBS Los Angeles that “right outside the hall, there’s people of every ethnicity around.”

Saying something is fine because another area has diversity isn't a good argument for this. And not everyone in the black community is thrilled with the idea:
"Civil rights leaders fought and in some cases died to break down on legal and social racial segregation," Earl Ofari Hutchinson, the President Los Angeles Urban Policy Roundtable said in a written statement. "That a public university in California would institute that policy in 2016 is absolutely mind boggling. Cal. State L.A. officials must immediately review and reconsider this policy."

More surprising to me is how "Themed dorms" are now a thing. In the past those were just for 'First year students', 'Law majors', or 'Honors dorms' etc but it seems those have been used as predecessors for much more granular segregations:

the university offers four “themed living communities,” including first-year, honors and gender-neutral housing.

UC Berkeley has seven communities that each offer housing themed around a specific community, including Native Americans, Asian Pacific Americans and African Americans

Stanford offers four “ethnic theme dorms” that each focus on Latino, Native American, Asian American and black culture. These are among nearly 20 “theme houses” at the Palo Alto campus.

Reed College in Portland, Ore., offers an "intentional living community" for "students of color to heal together from systemic white supremacy," and the themed housing focuses on black and indigenous voices, according to the college's website.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-housing-cal-state-la--20160906-snap-story.html
http://abc7.com/education/segregated-housing-at-csula-sparks-national-debate/1502106/
http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2016...fering-segregated-housing-for-black-students/

As a private institution, these colleges and universities have a right to create safe spaces as they don't explicitely exclude anyone. The students using these facilities will be poorly equipped to enter the real world.

California State University is publicly funded so its not a private institution[/quote][/QUOTE]
 
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realibrad

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That persons making a request to an institution, and that institution choosing to grant said request, is simply not comparable to segregation. You guys sound like reactionary idiots.
Are you somehow being personally repressed by this? Is it a slippery slope where the next step is all whites will be sold into slavery to black masters?

First, your point is dumb. Segregation was enforced by an "institution", and that institution was the government. The college campus can very much be compared to a local government as they have rules and the ability to enforce those rules. Dumb point to make.

You guys? I simply asked what your point was. You read a whole lot into two sentences. Are you a mind reader?

Do you realize why segregation was so important to the civil rights movement? Honestly, do you?
 

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According to a NY Times article, the new dorm will be "oriented" around black communities.... Ok.... Would it be ok to design a dorm that is oriented around White communities? I doubt it. Whatever the intent was, this kind of thing is simply a bad idea. Colleges generally promote diversity an inclusion. I just don't see how "orienting" a dorm\housing around any race promotes diversity and inclusion.
 
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