Why are politicians involved with scientific items?
It's not so much harm as it is ackowledging or accomodating something that doesn't truly exist.My question is, what exactly is the harm of going with a third gender option? (Besides riling up those who clutch pearls whenever they see mention of non-cisgender people, that is.)
To me, it's no different than letting a transgender person go by their new name; it better reflects their identity and can help officials make some informed choices. You aren't going to make intersex, gender-fluid or androgynous people go away by insisting their driver's license says "M" or "F" on it.
I already did, but will explain it again.
Most liberals start conversations on race from a position of systemic racism. That there are undeniable truths to any conversation on race, and that an undercurrent of white privilege prevents the conversation from moving forward.
What I am suggesting is that conversations on gender identity must similarly start from an acknowledgment of biological privilege. There are undeniable biological truths to any conversation around gender identity. No amount of hormone therapy or reassignment surgery or ID cards or bathroom access or pronouns can change those biological truths.
It was an analogy to demonstrate that for conversations to be meaingful on either topic, they have to start from a position of certain truths. Dismissing biology as part of a conversation on gender is like dismissing systemic racism as part of a conversation on race.
It's not so much harm as it is ackowledging or accomodating something that doesn't truly exist.
I say we use birth as the determining factor. No doctor is going to say, "congratulations, its an X!" With the exception of say some couples in the Bay Area, Cambridge and Brooklyn, no parent is going to declare their child has a gender of "X" at birth. The only outlier is Intersex, because they exist as a true biological scenario.
So lets go with M, F and I.
Because the voters keep involving the politicians. Blame the voters.
Shit, just wait till we free the slaves. They'll be demanding their 40 acres and a mule. And then boom, there goes the economy, and we'll be just like Mexico.OH THERE WILL BE!
When they start suing the state to get separate bathrooms, jails, prisons, dorms, sports (leagues), clothing stores, and everything else.
It's not so much harm as it is ackowledging or accomodating something that doesn't truly exist.
I say we use birth as the determining factor. No doctor is going to say, "congratulations, its an X!" With the exception of say some couples in the Bay Area, Cambridge and Brooklyn, no parent is going to declare their child has a gender of "X" at birth. The only outlier is Intersex, because they exist as a true biological scenario.
So lets go with M, F and I.
I can't conceive of something that only exists in certain people's heads.So in other words, you want to take a giant shit on transgender people and everyone else with complicated gender situations, all because you can't conceive of physiological differences in gender that aren't tied to someone's genitalia.
How about we say no to your idea, and treat them as human beings deserving of dignity and respect? I much prefer that strategy.
I can't conceive of something that only exists in certain people's heads.
A MTF transgender may concincingly look, act and feel like a woman, but she can never conceive a child, will never menstruate and for certain gender specific medical conditions and realities, still has to function within certain biological realities and constraints.
You are confusing two very different things. You can extend dignity and respect to trangender people while also applying a little common sense to certain truths.
I'll ask the questions again that you and others refuse to answer.
How does a doctor assign gender at birth, since you can't climb into the head of a baby.
Is it fair that biological girls should have to compete against opponents with the physical and genetic advantages of being male?
When colleges make dorm room assignments, where do they assign a gender fluid person?
Why is it that many second wave feminists take offense to M2F transgender people because they feel that they present themselves not as woman, but as a male's interpretation of what a woman is. A similar dynamic exists with F2M transgender people.
Cliche, predictable and oh so boring.Your concern is overwhelming. Soooo much concern. Too much to be healthy for you.
It concerns me.
Cliche, predictable and oh so boring.
So it should be relatively easy for you to answer the questions I posed.You just described your concern. Well done.
So it should be relatively easy for you to answer the questions I posed.
You are sure dedicating a lot of "concern" to something that doesn't concern you.Why would I bother? None of that actually 'concerns' me. It's culture wars bullshit.
btw, looked at what your federal govt and president have been up to lately?
You are sure dedicating a lot of "concern" to something that doesn't concern you.
Yes, there are other threads dealing with those topics
If you're a manly man and you're wrestling with an alligator and it bites off your penis, are you now female?
C'mon, it's freaking California. They're already so deep down that particular rabbit hole that it should be impossible to shock anyone. If their next move was to make drivers licenses digital so that a person could change gender ID instantly based on how they self-identified at that particular instant would anyone really be surprised? Hmmm, today I feel like a bi-sexual Asian wombat...click...done.
The only thing here that's puzzling is that the licenses don't contain a space for a personal pronoun. You just know that someone is going to sue if they identify as a woman and get called sir.
I can't conceive of something that only exists in certain people's heads.
A MTF transgender person may concincingly look, act and feel like a woman, but she can never conceive a child, will never menstruate and for certain gender specific medical conditions and realities, still has to function within certain biological realities and constraints. Similarly, a F2M trangender person may have a beard, a square jaw and the physical attributes of a male, but can still get pregnant and will need to see a gynecologist for certain things.
You are confusing two very different things. You can extend dignity and respect to trangender people while also applying a little common sense to certain irreversible truths.
I'll ask the questions again that you and others refuse to answer.
How does a doctor assign gender at birth, since you can't climb into the head of a baby.
Is it fair that biological girls should have to compete against opponents with the physical and genetic advantages of being male?
When colleges make dorm room assignments, where do they assign a gender fluid person?
Why is it that many second wave feminists take offense to M2F transgender people because they feel that they present themselves not as woman, but as a male's interpretation of what a woman is. A similar dynamic exists with F2M transgender people.
I'm agnostic. The religious right and the snowflake left equally annoy me because neither recognizes fact, reason or science.so you arent a religious person? good to know, as that's conceived only in peoples heads.
ill answer the two questions:
1. Lifes not fair. Ive seen plenty of girls playing sports that are not petite girly girls. they are strong, and fast.
2. Colleges will need to decide that.
someone else brought up car insurance, who can charge different rates by gender. this didnt happen right away, its based on data revealing a trend. so, when insurance has data to compile, maybe we can have a more solid answer.
challenges like you and space something are not overlooked in these decisions.
theres no gender fluid boogeyman hiding under the bed. its gon a be ok. maybe thank CA for exercising states right. after all, that's what fought a civil war over, right??
Thanks for dropping by!Well, I guess you should get back to your 'concerns' then. Y'all have fun now.
I can't conceive of something that only exists in certain people's heads.
A MTF transgender person may concincingly look, act and feel like a woman, but she can never conceive a child, will never menstruate and for certain gender specific medical conditions and realities, still has to function within certain biological realities and constraints. Similarly, a F2M trangender person may have a beard, a square jaw and the physical attributes of a male, but can still get pregnant and will need to see a gynecologist for certain things.
You are confusing two very different things. You can extend dignity and respect to trangender people while also applying a little common sense to certain irreversible truths.
I'll ask the questions again that you and others refuse to answer.
How does a doctor assign gender at birth, since you can't climb into the head of a baby.
Is it fair that biological girls should have to compete against opponents with the physical and genetic advantages of being male?
When colleges make dorm room assignments, where do they assign a gender fluid person?
Why is it that many second wave feminists take offense to M2F transgender people because they feel that they present themselves not as woman, but as a male's interpretation of what a woman is. A similar dynamic exists with F2M transgender people.
the snowflake left, lol. its funny how you say that, yet the right is literally comprised of snowflakes. Projecting is what they do. Your subjective observations of how #bothsidesdoit isnt based on reality. the left will accept science, facts, and reasons readily, guess who doesn't.I'm agnostic. The religious right and the snowflake left equally annoy me because neither recognizes fact, reason or science.
Stop being obtuse on sports. Yes there are female athletes that dominate the field due to genetic advantages, but the reasons why there are seperate professional leagues for men and women speaks for itself. Why do liberals so readily accept science and correlation relative to climate change, but gender is some mystical enigma?
Colleges can't even handle real world problems, they are ill equipped to handle 1st world ones.
But you are correct. States are the incubators of democracy. If the people of CA want to legitimize fantasy, they have every right to, just as red states push the equally absurd war on Christianity narrative. I want CA to solve such problems, since it can't solve pension solvency, traffic, housing, corruption or sexual harassment in its two tent pole industries: entertainment and tech. Then you wonder why Hillary ran up the score in NY and CA but lost reliably left blue collar strongholds.