Damnit, now I have to put up with more Californians coming to Texas. Go back to your amazing state.
Originally posted by: marincounty
When did I say I liked paying taxes? But paying taxes is the cost of living in a decent society. Don't like taxes? Move somewhere where they are lower, like Texas or Nevada.Originally posted by: OCguy
Originally posted by: marincounty
Originally posted by: OCguy
Originally posted by: marincounty
Maybe the not liberal Governor shouldn't have cut taxes as his first move, thus blowing a hole in the budget.
I believe GM pulling out of Nummi first was the impetus for closing it. Thank you GM.
Why dont you NorCal hippies just voluntarily pay more taxes? I dont understand why people who love to pay taxes have to wait for the government to require it.
We need to cut minimum wage to get jobs back here, cut taxes to get the businesses back here, and cut spending by even more.
Cut minimum wage? What, that's holding back the economy? Illegals make $10 an hour here.
It is making us pay out more in UI benefits, and it is causing out sourcing. It is also causing companys who do not want to pay a warehouse employee or customer service rep without a diploma and no englas $10/hr to pack up and leave.
You still didnt answer the question. Why dont you donate more of your check to CA if you like paying taxes?
Enjoy all of the benefits of the lower taxes, including your lower salary.
I agree spending and state taxes should be cut, but I'm sure we differ on what should be cut.
Prop 13 needs to be modified, so that corps cannot avoid taxes with tax avoidance schemes, thus shifting taxes to homeowners.
The good news: I'm sure Southern California pays way more taxes than us hippies in Northern California.
It's true, it's like saying people in NYC make a lot of money. That's great, it costs a thousand bucks a square foot, too.Yup Texas is so horrible and bad with no income tax and affordable housing.
Originally posted by: MotF Bane
Originally posted by: sandorski
There's only 1 Way to Balance a Budget: Cut Spend AND Raise Taxes. Anyone saying otherwise is Wrong.
No, you can cut spending, AND/OR raise taxes. There are three choices, not one. That's simple logic anyone with a brain should be able to understand.
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: MotF Bane
Originally posted by: sandorski
There's only 1 Way to Balance a Budget: Cut Spend AND Raise Taxes. Anyone saying otherwise is Wrong.
No, you can cut spending, AND/OR raise taxes. There are three choices, not one. That's simple logic anyone with a brain should be able to understand.
Your attempt to Balance the Budget has Failed...Play Again?
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: spidey07
One sure fire way to make business and people flee your state is to raise taxes. It's a downward spiral. Higher taxes = less tax revenue, raise them again = even less revenue.
this is why places like the dakotas have people rushing to live there, because the taxes are so low. :roll:
Originally posted by: Fern
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: spidey07
One sure fire way to make business and people flee your state is to raise taxes. It's a downward spiral. Higher taxes = less tax revenue, raise them again = even less revenue.
this is why places like the dakotas have people rushing to live there, because the taxes are so low. :roll:
Try Nevada, Arizona, Utah and Idaho.
Nevada has no personal or corprate income tax, and they are actively marketing to get CA people and businesses to relocate there.
Originally posted by: txrandom
Damnit, now I have to put up with more Californians coming to Texas. Go back to your amazing state.
Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: Skoorb
CA has a spending problem. It has been told this but does nothing to fix it. Even many of its strong supporters deny it but the math doesn't care about them and they are being shown as wrong. They can continue to deny what's happening all they like, but the math marches on regardless. As long as people are blind to California's huge and ridiculous government waste they will continue to get this wrong, they will blame the republicans, bush, their small penises, whatever. We have the same problem in NY state. The government is an uncureable cancer here with no shame and no ability to shrink itself. It is upheld by people with no shame and no ability to put off some pleasure now for less pain later, so things inexorably get worse.
Previous Governor had a vehicle license fee that would balance the budget. Voters fell for a right-wing campaignand recalled him. Schwarzeneggar repealed the fee and got deficits.
Originally posted by: MotF Bane
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: MotF Bane
Originally posted by: sandorski
There's only 1 Way to Balance a Budget: Cut Spend AND Raise Taxes. Anyone saying otherwise is Wrong.
No, you can cut spending, AND/OR raise taxes. There are three choices, not one. That's simple logic anyone with a brain should be able to understand.
Your attempt to Balance the Budget has Failed...Play Again?
No such attempt has Been made to Sufficient Values.
Originally posted by: marincounty
Maybe the not liberal Governor shouldn't have cut taxes as his first move, thus blowing a hole in the budget.
I believe GM pulling out of Nummi first was the impetus for closing it. Thank you GM.
Originally posted by: SigArms08
Originally posted by: marincounty
Maybe the not liberal Governor shouldn't have cut taxes as his first move, thus blowing a hole in the budget.
I believe GM pulling out of Nummi first was the impetus for closing it. Thank you GM.
Ah, just to look to the revenue stream, but have only contempt for the product lines. Last time I was out there, didn't see a heck of a lot of Pontiac Vibes or other GM vehicles driving around. Also seems like people out there hold GM in very low regards, so why are you sarcastically "thanking" GM? Do they owe Cali enormous favors?
Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: Skoorb
CA has a spending problem. It has been told this but does nothing to fix it. Even many of its strong supporters deny it but the math doesn't care about them and they are being shown as wrong. They can continue to deny what's happening all they like, but the math marches on regardless. As long as people are blind to California's huge and ridiculous government waste they will continue to get this wrong, they will blame the republicans, bush, their small penises, whatever. We have the same problem in NY state. The government is an uncureable cancer here with no shame and no ability to shrink itself. It is upheld by people with no shame and no ability to put off some pleasure now for less pain later, so things inexorably get worse.
Previous Governor had a vehicle license fee that would balance the budget. Voters fell for a right-wing campaignand recalled him. Schwarzeneggar repealed the fee and got deficits.
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: MotF Bane
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: MotF Bane
Originally posted by: sandorski
There's only 1 Way to Balance a Budget: Cut Spend AND Raise Taxes. Anyone saying otherwise is Wrong.
No, you can cut spending, AND/OR raise taxes. There are three choices, not one. That's simple logic anyone with a brain should be able to understand.
Your attempt to Balance the Budget has Failed...Play Again?
No such attempt has Been made to Sufficient Values.
Clinton and the Canadian Federal Government are 2 examples of Spending Cuts/Tax Increases to Balance Budget. There's probably more, but I'm too lazy to Google.
California will only generate more tax revenues through new businesses and jobs, and that will require a tax rate much lower than its top marginal rate of 10.55%. With 50% of Golden State income tax revenues coming from the richest 1% of residents, the state needs lower rates to avoid revenue boom and bust. The liberal obsession with income redistribution has destroyed California?s tax base. (Memo to President Obama, if he?s paying attention.)
Originally posted by: Craig234
Previous Governor had a vehicle license fee that would balance the budget. Voters fell for a right-wing campaignand recalled him. Schwarzeneggar repealed the fee and got deficits.
Originally posted by: DLeRium
Originally posted by: Craig234
Previous Governor had a vehicle license fee that would balance the budget. Voters fell for a right-wing campaignand recalled him. Schwarzeneggar repealed the fee and got deficits.
Why do you always talk about this like the vehicle license fee at an outrageous rate would've saved the state. CA had a reasonable licensing fee before. Davis jacked it up to outrageous rates (compare to other states). We brought it back, but like others pointed out this would've done NOTHING to curb California's problem. We have a spending problem. You can pad your emergency funds right now but there's a reason WHY in times of trouble CA's tax revenue drops like no other. It's because our tax burden is on sources that fluctuate greatly (i.e. businesses and wealthy individuals). Moreover look at how much we spend on prisons, unionized labor (ahem prison guards), etc. Even your liberal buddy senseamp pushed for cutting UC/CSU funding. So stop acting like we need to raise taxes even more when CA's taxes puts us in the top 5 states.
The defining issue of the 2003 recall was Gov. Gray Davis' tripling of the car tax, more officially known as the Vehicle License Fee. The defining issue of Arnold Schwarzenegger's successful campaign to unseat Davis was his promised rollback of said car tax. Now the defining and perpetual cloud over the Schwarzenegger administration has become the budget's operating deficit and the amount by which it carries over from one year to the next, or -- as is the case this year -- the amount by which it requires slashing state programs.
And that amount is, of course, just about the same amount as the money lost from cutting -- or, if you prefer, reinstating -- the car tax. How much? $3.8 billion...
So the Legislature cut the car tax from 2% to 0.65% of vehicle value. Why not? No one liked the tax anyway, and it was getting in the way of car sales, especially -- since the tax is pegged to value -- of luxury car sales. As for the money that would no longer come in to pay for city and county operations, well, so many new dot-com millionaires were paying income and property taxes that the state easily had the cash to make up for the loss. And those good time, certainly, would go on forever.
By the way, who cut the car tax? GOP Gov. Pete Wilson? Sure, he got the ball rolling. But it was Davis, the Democrat acting like a good, taxpayer-respecting Republican, who rejected his fellow Democrats' demands for money for new programs and instead passed along the tax cut to car owners. The vehicle license fee was cut to one-third its size. And, oh, by the way, there was a provision that allowed Sacramento to restore the fee to its earlier 2% in the event the economy faltered and the tax money was needed to balance the budget. Just in case.
So there California was, in the midst of the dot-com hangover, on June 20, 2003, with a budget precariously out of balance, a gubernatorial recall threatened and a decision to by Davis' finance director to make the state's general fund whole by removing the offset against the car tax. Drivers, that year, would have to pay the car tax themselves, just as planned in the original offset legislation. Anyone here have a problem with that?
Well. Yes. There was a problem with that, as any AM radio talk show host would have been happy to explain.
Originally posted by: DLeRium
Originally posted by: Craig234
Previous Governor had a vehicle license fee that would balance the budget. Voters fell for a right-wing campaignand recalled him. Schwarzeneggar repealed the fee and got deficits.
Why do you always talk about this like the vehicle license fee at an outrageous rate would've saved the state. CA had a reasonable licensing fee before. Davis jacked it up to outrageous rates (compare to other states). We brought it back, but like others pointed out this would've done NOTHING to curb California's problem. We have a spending problem. You can pad your emergency funds right now but there's a reason WHY in times of trouble CA's tax revenue drops like no other. It's because our tax burden is on sources that fluctuate greatly (i.e. businesses and wealthy individuals). Moreover look at how much we spend on prisons, unionized labor (ahem prison guards), etc. Even your liberal buddy senseamp pushed for cutting UC/CSU funding. So stop acting like we need to raise taxes even more when CA's taxes puts us in the top 5 states.
Originally posted by: blanghorst
Originally posted by: Craig234
But what are these crazy tax hikes Democrats want as part of the budget?
Back in the boom days of the dot com era, the state revenues were so high that the car licesning fee was *temporarily* suspended becaue it wasn't needed.
When the dot com crash happened and the state faced a deficit, one of the measures taken by Democratic Gov. Davis was to end the year by year temporary fee suspension.
That fee alone would have balanced the budget - but Republicans recalled him over it and instead gave the state the massive deficit.
Please link to your source, as I am interested. What I see is that he tried to TRIPLE the licensing fee. Not just "end the fee suspension" as you claim.
California vehicle license fee to triple
Not to mention this was expected to raise $4 billion, but the budget deficit was projected to be $38 billion. How exactly would "that fee alone" cover the budget deficit?
Originally posted by: SigArms08
Originally posted by: marincounty
Maybe the not liberal Governor shouldn't have cut taxes as his first move, thus blowing a hole in the budget.
I believe GM pulling out of Nummi first was the impetus for closing it. Thank you GM.
Ah, just to look to the revenue stream, but have only contempt for the product lines. Last time I was out there, didn't see a heck of a lot of Pontiac Vibes or other GM vehicles driving around. Also seems like people out there hold GM in very low regards, so why are you sarcastically "thanking" GM? Do they owe Cali enormous favors?
Originally posted by: DucatiMonster696
The cherry on the cake.
http://www.businessinsider.com...bates-get-taxed-2009-8
Now the defining and perpetual cloud over the Schwarzenegger administration has become the budget's operating deficit and the amount by which it carries over from one year to the next, or -- as is the case this year -- the amount by which it requires slashing state programs.
And that amount is, of course, just about the same amount as the money lost from cutting -- or, if you prefer, reinstating -- the car tax. How much? $3.8 billion...
Originally posted by: spidey07
One sure fire way to make business and people flee your state is to raise taxes. It's a downward spiral. Higher taxes = less tax revenue, raise them again = even less revenue.