But it does make a difference, otherwise you wouldn't be doing it.Oh, I take action. Reduce footprint, plant trees, recycle, all that jazz. I just acknowledge it's not going to make a difference.
Interesting how you claim these fires were a lack of leadership but Covid response wasn't.That's a very good question. The simple answer is poor leadership, though I'm sure it goes much deeper than that. California has had a few catastrophic fires over the years, they all end with a lot of finger pointing and not much action.
As much as everyone enjoys calling Trump an idiot for the statement, he's right, the first step in preventing fires is removing the combustible material. It appears that no one want's to take that step.
conservatives care less about doing the right thing vs someone must be punished in some way if a bad thing happens
They showed that on OTA network news last night, they said they sprayed the roof in hopes to save the house and that it DIDN'T BURN! IDK if that's right, but figure probably. They didn't magnify it showing that it was a transmission line at the base of the fire in the distance, though.
At some point you must get lockjaw from constantly sucking Trump's dick.China.
Yep, all kinds of stuff burst from water mains to sprinklers systems to pipes inside homes/businesses. Stuff just isn't buried deep enough or insulated enough because it "never gets that cold here". Of course the vast majority of homeowners have no idea where their water meter is or how to shut off the supply from the street.
Yup. Took a walk around the block during the freeze and found water gushing under a neighbor’s garage. They had left, their pipes burst and no one was around to shut it off.I remember seeing videos from the Texas freeze of water just gushing in the background and the person talking about how they couldn't get a plumber or something or other and I'm just going nuts thinking "Shut off your damn water." It blows my mind that people will sit in a flooding house making Tik Tok videos but won't think to look up how to shut off their water supply.
Plenty of reasons I could be doing something other than 'because I think it's going to save the world'.But it does make a difference, otherwise you wouldn't be doing it.
I highly doubt spraying the roof did anything expect slow down their escape. That water would've evaporated in minutes in that high of wind with that low of humidity. But now everyone is going to spray their roofs (or worse leave sprinklers going on their roofs) as opposed to getting out.They showed that on OTA network news last night, they said they sprayed the roof in hopes to save the house and that it DIDN'T BURN! IDK if that's right, but figure probably. They didn't magnify it showing that it was a transmission line at the base of the fire in the distance, though.
The bridge thing is a great idea, if you're already on the road and can't really turn around to fuck off away from the tornado. You should never leave a structure to go find one, though.I highly doubt spraying the roof did anything expect slow down their escape. That water would've evaporated in minutes in that high of wind with that low of humidity. But now everyone is going to spray their roofs (or worse leave sprinklers going on their roofs) as opposed to getting out.
There is a famous video of a news crew taking cover from a tornado under a bridge. They lived so a lot of people copy them and have gotten killed and disabled for life as a result. Many of those left secure structures to go take cover under bridges, where if they had stayed put they would've been fine.
According to sources, you're safer taking cover in a ditch or flat on the ground vs under an overpass.The bridge thing is a great idea, if you're already on the road and can't really turn around to fuck off away from the tornado. You should never leave a structure to go find one, though.
Depends on the bridge, evidence has shown most of the time you'd be better off in the ditch.The bridge thing is a great idea, if you're already on the road and can't really turn around to fuck off away from the tornado. You should never leave a structure to go find one, though.
Being constantly angry and bitter is a terrible burden. It must really suck to be you. I honestly hope there is more in your life than impotent hate.At some point you must get lockjaw from constantly sucking Trump's dick.
Catastrophe with Trump in charge the blame is always anyone else.
Catastrophe with Dems in charge blame is always the Dems.
BTW - Do I need to explain to your MAGA brain a metaphor?
Yup, totally fair. When I grew up in TX they all had those little 'alcoves' to duck into. If I found myself staring at a tornado or that second one, I'd be 180ing my ass the wrong way down the highway instead. Tornado will yeet your ass right out from under an overhang like that.Depends on the bridge, evidence has shown most of the time you'd be better off in the ditch.
That specific bridge was in Kansas and its embankment extended quite a bit past its beam bearings, giving a nice protected area to take cover and the tornado didn't directly hit the bridge. Even Kansas has stopped using that style much, and there is much less protection than there used to be. Kansas also generally uses rock embankments, so you can enjoy being beat to death with them.
Modern KS design:
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Oklahoma has a ton of concrete "haunch" bridges that have no beams to take cover in between and people get sucked right out and the embankments will be covered in debris, sometimes with people shaped holes. Most newer OK bridges are more similar to the newer KS ones with beams on bearings, but not that much depth to hide in. Unfortantly, people who've seen that video stop at the bridges and block the road for everyone else, so your options are ditch, car, or bridge (and the is the order you should generally pick).
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Being constantly angry and bitter is a terrible burden. It must really suck to be you. I honestly hope there is more in your life than impotent hate.
He easily confuses hate with disgust.Your schtick is getting tired.
Just because someone disagrees with you doesn’t make them bitter
California has strict building codes, but it generally doesn't affect existing housing stock. As reported by NYT, climate change is making a well-understood risk even more intractable.If these areas are allowed to rebuild, the water system probably does need some basic hardening, like remotely operated shut off valves or hydraulic fuses in meters. I doubt it'll make a huge difference, but are relatively low cost, and could help prevent just bleeding the system dry.
Lack of proactive building codes against natural disasters always drive me nuts. Here in Oklahoma it has been shown repeatedly that wind rated garage doors massively reduce damage from tornadoes, but they aren't required, neither are hurricane clips, or other roof hardening. All fairly cheap to install in a new house, but pretty expensive retro fits.
“Climate change, and climate events, are causing us to butt up against that limit,” said Joshua Saks, the adaptation program director for Georgetown Climate Center at Georgetown University Law Center in Washington. “The risk will always grow, and at some point outpace what you’ve done.”
What I will tell you is there is no defensible space in 70 or 100 mph winds.
His point is, in 70mph winds, everything is 1/3rd of the fire triangle.
When vehicles in the middle of the street are being reduced to scrap metal, chaparral is not your problem, everything is.
That is incorrect statement.
This is why. This below is directly from Cal Fire. They know a thing or two about wildland fires. This is talking about what is called zone 0 which is the area closest to your home. The key is to make that area as ember-resistant as possible and non combustible. You do this and you stand a good chance of having the firestorm blow through and right over your home without setting your home on fire. A lot of homes are lost because a firestorm blows ahead of a fire some embers that catch something combustible either next to or on the structure on fire.
The first five feet from your home is the most important. Keeping the area closest to buildings, structures, and decks clear will prevent embers from igniting materials that can spread the fire to your home.
Why? The majority of homes lost to wildfire are ignited by flying embers. Embers can travel miles ahead of the active front of wildfires.
What to do:
Consider relocating boats, RVs, vehicles, and other combustible items outside this zone.
- Use hardscape like gravel, pavers, or concrete. No combustible bark or mulch.
- Remove all dead and dying plants, weeds, and debris (leaves, needles, etc.) from your roof, gutter, deck, porch, stairways, and under any areas of your home.
- Remove all branches within 10 feet of any chimney or stovepipe outlet.
- Limit combustible items (like outdoor furniture and planters) on top of decks.
- Relocate firewood and lumber to Zone 2.
- Replace combustible fencing, gates, and arbors attached to the home with noncombustible alternatives.
- Consider relocating garbage and recycling containers outside this zone.
Just ignore him; some California liberals ate his balls or something, and he became this smarmy broken record of a bot thingy.Your schtick is getting tired.
Just because someone disagrees with you doesn’t make them bitter
Why are vehicles in the middle of the street being to reduced to scrap metal?
Well because every house is on fire and it is creating intense heat. Why is every house on fire? Well because a fire that started in the chaparral area of the nearby wildlands was allowed to spread right up to homes with intense heat because the older chaparral had never been thinned and you had a lot of fuel very close to houses that created intense heat. So yes older heavy chaparral that isn't thinned is a problem.
https://fire.lacounty.gov/fire-hazard-reduction-programs/#1566334582968-a701d792-575e
Chaparral is the vegetative ecosystem present on most watersheds in Los Angeles County. The term applies to the shrubby vegetation seen on both coastal and inland hillsides. Chaparral can be separated into two types; soft chaparral (usually called coastal sage scrub) and the taller hard chaparral. It is dominated by evergreen and drought deciduous shrubs 1 to 15 feet tall. Most of these plants are recognized by tough, leathery leaves that reduce water loss in dry conditions. Many chaparral plants contain volatile oils which produce a strong odor and increase flammability.
Common examples include various species of Ceanothus, Manzanita, Sage, Sumac, Toyon, and Chamise. Chaparral ecosystems are very efficient at controlling erosion and protecting watersheds. Deep root systems stabilize slopes and allow plants to thrive in the dry Southern California Mediterranean climate. Chaparral plant communities depend on fire as an integral part of their life cycle, and periodic burning is essential for these communities to rejuvenate. As unburned plants grow older, the amount of dead material increases dramatically. By age 50 as much as 50% of an individual plant may be dead. Where chaparral plants cover a broad area and are uniformly old and senescent, fires tend to be large and devastating.
All fine and good advice in average conditions and many of these address standard structure fire issues like vehicles and trash bins starting fires.. The zones become virtually meaningless in 100 MPH winds. None of this would have saved a home during the 100 mph Santa Anas.
You're dealing with super heated blast furnace temp embers that travel for up to a mile or more.