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MrSquished

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Mark Cuban calling out the Dems for mostly terrible questioning of Hegseth of which too little was about constantly catching him as being totally unqualified for the job. Points to Tammy Duckworth and says, it should have been a ton more like her, she did it right. And she did.

Cuban is right, the Dems flubbed this one too. They needed to call out this clown show for what it was and at least expose the literal incompetence as related to the job. And literally call a clown show that is insulting to intelligence exactly that.

The Dems really lack something.
 
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NWRMidnight

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lol Ok - The fire burned all around. I will follow the local recommendations of my local county and fire department.
so you not only fall for a sales pitch, your eyes don't work either. The very picture shows that the greenery wround the house didn't get burned. .
 

NWRMidnight

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The greenery around the house was partially burned. The brown color of the ash in the yard is consistent with a week or two time frame after the fire and likely at least one rain. Some species green up very fast after a burn. I set up repeaters on one fire where we were setting up on still hot ash. Two weeks later, the area was a carpet of bright green ferns and that was with no rain.
burned greenery doesn't come back that quickly. it takes months for it to recover from being burned and charged. specially shrubs and such.
 

Brovane

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so you not only fall for a sales pitch, your eyes don't work either. The very picture shows that the greenery wround the house didn't get burned. .

There is plenty of greenery around these homes. What burned down these homes? Embers.



What saved this home in LA? Ember resistant design features along with Zone 0 being non-combustible. Still see green shrubs.

 

dainthomas

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There is plenty of greenery around these homes. What burned down these homes? Embers.

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What saved this home in LA? Ember resistant design features along with Zone 0 being non-combustible. Still see green shrubs.

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Who would live in the hills above Los Angeles and not have ember resistant roofing and siding? You'd think insurance would even give you a decent discount for installing those.
 
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Who would live in the hills above Los Angeles and not have ember resistant roofing and siding? You'd think insurance would even give you a decent discount for installing those.
I believe California's home insurance market is pretty heavily regulated, and it has been hard for insurers to properly price for real risk under those constraints (eg, they aren't allowed to charge enough for the current level of risk; thus, they probably don't have enough room to really discount for building changes that would lower fire risk).

But LA would also greatly benefit if they let people build more in the city instead of spreading out into fire zones.
 

Brovane

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Who would live in the hills above Los Angeles and not have ember resistant roofing and siding? You'd think insurance would even give you a decent discount for installing those.

From personal experience living in San Diego County and living in a high risk fire area. My insurance carrier (State Farm) could have cared less when I installed ember resistant vents in my attic.

A lot of people have older houses in this area that just never bothered to do any updates and it isn't like really anyone is pushing it. The only thing the County does is push vegetation control. For me it made basic sense. In my old house in Orange County, CA I also had ember resistant vents retrofitted. People just really don't think about it.

What is interesting is from reading is that people who build a newer home with a tight building envelope to meet energy efficiency goals you also make the house more ember resistant. For example installing a unventilated attic for energy efficiency also means embers are probably not getting into the attic.
 
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NWRMidnight

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There is plenty of greenery around these homes. What burned down these homes? Embers.

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What saved this home in LA? Ember resistant design features along with Zone 0 being non-combustible. Still see green shrubs.

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Top pictures look more like houses that have been dimolsihed, not burned down, as there is very little if any real charing in the picture. Google is your friend and free, all you have to do is type in "how long does it take for greenery such as bushes, trees and grass, to recover from a fire" However, if you keep high moisture greenery around your house, they are more resistant from burning. (google can also confirm this). The house in you "sales pitch" does not have such greenery around it". The first picture here, if was actually due to a fire, or some other event?, appears to have high moisture greenery around it.
Second picture, if you look at it, is a wood house, specially the front.. so thanks for proving that it has more to do with change in direction of the fire, and not nececarrily the construction material that certain houses survive a fire.
 
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Brovane

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Top pictures look more like houses that have been dimolsihed, not burned down, as there is very little if any real charing in the picture. Google is your friend and free, all you have to do is type in "how long does it take for greenery such as bushes, trees and grass, to recover from a fire" However, if you keep high moisture greenery around your house, they are more resistant from burning. (google can also confirm this). The house in you "sales pitch" does not have such greenery around it". The first picture here, if was actually due to a fire, or some other event?, appears to have high moisture greenery around it.
Second picture, if you look at it, is a wood house, specially the front.. so thanks for proving that it has more to do with change in direction of the fire, and not nececarrily the construction material that certain houses survive a fire.
FYI - House from the 2nd picture. FYI - Just because it might look like wood fiber exterior doesn't mean it is as flammable as you might think.

https://ktla.com/news/local-news/architect-behind-viral-fire-proof-home-explains-how-it-survived/

He explained the decisions he made to make sure the home would survive a fire, including: keeping the perimeter of the house clear of brush, planting fire safe plants, having fire-rated walls , tempered glass windows, metal roof, building envelope fully insulated with no vents, and a concrete perimeter.

Chasen said he hopes building codes are tightened, including making roof vents and fire-rated walls to be required. He said prefabricated roof trusses seemed to perform poorly during the recent wildfires outbreak.

Beyond the replacement of a couple of glass panels, and minor ash residue on the interior, Chasen claims that the home is otherwise fine.
 

Jaskalas

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Being constantly angry and bitter is a terrible burden. It must really suck to be you. I honestly hope there is more in your life than impotent hate.
Oh, I thought of your victim of hate act just now.

While I was being reminded of the many women that are being murdered from intentional medical neglect. Legislature mandated of course. Check the abortion topic for why your hands are red. It won't be hatred you face. Rather, unbridled rage. A demand for justice and vengeance for those who no longer live to seek it themselves. The fallen will not be forgotten, and MAGA will never be forgiven.

In case you wanted yet another example beyond this topic. This one, where you magically blame Democrats for nature. Then you don't just double down on it. Oh no, you and MAGA fucking campaign on it. It is your existence now to pretend these fires could have been stopped if not for those "filthy" Democrats. Blackmail for federal aid is a nice touch too. Coy propaganda does not absolve you of your hatred, or of being part of the modern Nazi hate group.

We have diametric opposition and blood is already spilled. Topics like this just reinforce that reconciliation long stopped being useful, possible or conceptual.
If a day ever comes when you'd like to ask why. This topic is one of them. And the other I opened with. And so many more.
 
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SlowSpyder2

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Another example of the failure of Democrat "leadership." More interested in checking boxes for optics and liberal morality points than putting in the best people for the job. Maybe now finally people in CA will reject their long time leftist rulers.
 
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MrSquished

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I keep seeing clips of Newsom on Bluesky and the poster saying how he is saying it how it is. Bullshit. He sounds like a wuss. He can't use plain language to call what conditioning aid to a state based on politics is. Pathetic from one of the Dem's who seemed to have some balls. No national profile Dem has stepped up on this topic, at all. At least that I have read about so far.
 

Dr. Detroit

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Good read - https://archive.ph/o0gAy

Two years before wildfires incinerated swaths of Los Angeles, the city’s Fire Chief Kristin M. Crowley identified “one significant area of weakness” in her department’s ability to contain wildfires. L.A. had no specialized wildland unit to respond to daily brush fires and scrape vegetation, dig ditches and do the other labor to ensure blazes did not spread or rekindle, she wrote on Jan. 5, 2023, asking for $7 million to assemble its own squad.

In a memo that has not been previously reported, she told city fire commissioners that L.A. relied almost entirely on overburdened “hand crews” from other jurisdictions to bring such muscle to its brush fire emergencies. Hand crews, the most elite of which are sometimes called “hotshots,” fight wildfires with chain saws, axes and shovels, setting containment lines and then sticking around to meticulously monitor smoldering fires, feeling by hand for heat and digging out live spots to make sure fires don’t relight.
 

gothuevos

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I keep seeing clips of Newsom on Bluesky and the poster saying how he is saying it how it is. Bullshit. He sounds like a wuss. He can't use plain language to call what conditioning aid to a state based on politics is. Pathetic from one of the Dem's who seemed to have some balls. No national profile Dem has stepped up on this topic, at all. At least that I have read about so far.

Holy shit, genius, why do you think that is?

Why do you think Fetterman and Gates are cozying up with Trump?

Do you not see a dead political party when you see it?
 
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