California Wildfires

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Brovane

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I hope none of those people still have cedar shakes. Those should have been gone long ago.

There area where I live the zoning is 2 acre minimum for lots. None of the houses around me have cedar shakes. There could be structures further out that have cedar shakes. Some of the houses are fairly old where I live with 1960's construction. My house and all the houses on adjacent lots all have concrete tile roofs.
 

SteveGrabowski

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JFC 75 mph Santa Annas in January? Don't think I ever saw that in the ~10 years I lived in LA. Was more a September-October, occasionally into November kind of thing. I can't imagine the air quality. Living in Westwood I remember being practically unable to breathe the orange air from a bad wildfire in Malibu around 06 or 07 and this one is way closer to where I lived.
 
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Zorba

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JFC, get over yourself.
GWC a "hoax?"

Wildfire season is now 365 days a year in CA. Here we are in the dead of winter and Los Angeles area is a goddamn firestorm disaster.

Watched the new PBS 1 hour documentary on the August 2023 burning of Lahaina and aftermath last night. At least 102 confirmed deaths, the worst fire disaster anyone alive has seen in America. By far the best coverage I've seen.

What will it take to wake up America?
Unfortunately new laws are making it impossible for Front Street to rebuild the way it was. It must be turned into a stroad now.
 

Zorba

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At some point you have to call out inept management when you see it.

No water coming out of fire hydrants? Hollowed out fire department? And people want Gavin Newsom to run for President?
Fighting wildfires with urban techniques requires a shit ton of water. Especially when I'm sure a ton of people were running sprinklers to protect their houses. But you only have so much capacity in water towers (usually a couple days worth) and when you run out, supply drops dramatically.
 

K1052

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Unfortunately new laws are making it impossible for Front Street to rebuild the way it was. It must be turned into a stroad now.

Gross. The main stretch of Front where al the restaurants and businesses were should just be pedestrian only. I don't recall any curb cuts.
 
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[DHT]Osiris

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Water towers don’t work that well in large cities with large elevation ranges.
Yeah I was just taking the piss. It just surprises me that the water just dies when the power does... like I expect that shit from my own home but not from the municipal water supply.
 

Zorba

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Shit, I guess gravity is just too droll for those high falutin' Californians.
They have towers, but they were ran dry from massive demand. The whole point of towers is to reduce pump needs, so once the towers are dry no way the pumps can keep up either.
 
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MrSquished

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While they do often have a man-initiated cause, they don't need to. Wildfires are actually very normal in many ecosystems.
I understand there are natural causes such as from lightning strikes, but, in this day and age one can never count out malevolent MAGA. They are pure evil. Human ignited wildfires are much more common than natural here in 'Murica.
 
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Brovane

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Yeah I was just taking the piss. It just surprises me that the water just dies when the power does... like I expect that shit from my own home but not from the municipal water supply.

No water just doesn't die in CA when the power does because the . However fire-fighters fighting multiple fires over a broad front in a Urban setting can quickly drain the tanks because the pumps refilling the tanks are not powerful enough to keep up with the out-flow of water from all the water fire-fighters are using from hydrants. I know from personal experience when we experience Public Safety Power Shut-offs in my area the water still works just fine because the local pump station has it's own backup generator.
 
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Oric

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best urban sprawl are 4 story concrete apartments, which create walkable neighborhoods with minimal traffic pressure while resistant to natural fires. Also they would shrink LA to 1/3 size of what it is today
 
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SteveGrabowski

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Oh man everything north of Hollywood Blvd from Laurel Canyon Blvd to the 101 is having mandatory evacuations. Jeez the Sunset Fire came on fast.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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best urban sprawl are 4 story concrete apartments, which create walkable neighborhoods with minimal traffic pressure while resistant to natural fires. Also they would shrink LA to 1/3 size of what it is today
Sounds like fire is gonna shrink LA to 1/3rd the size for a lot less effort.
 

Muse

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I'm hoping Biden can declare an emergency and get money flowing there before Jan 20th because Trump wanted to withhold federal aid from blue states his last term.
Biden declared today. The one lucky thing is this happened before the inauguration.
 

Muse

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At some point you have to call out inept management when you see it.

No water coming out of fire hydrants? Hollowed out fire department? And people want Gavin Newsom to run for President?
I think there's place for you in the Trump administration.
 

Muse

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Embers are almost assuredly what's setting stuff on fire deeper into the urban areas where there is no forest to speak of. they can travel quite a distance.
On the news tonight they said miles!
 

Muse

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I understand there are natural causes such as from lightning strikes, but, in this day and age one can never count out malevolent MAGA. They are pure evil. Human ignited wildfires are much more common than natural here in 'Murica.
0.16 inch of rainfall in L.A. area since April, i.e. a massive drought. Wind storm of up to or over 100 mph winds of exceedingly dry air. Not having out of control fires would seem to be virtually impossible.

There are 6 wildfires (at least) now burning in the area, probably over 25,000 acres burned, thousands of structures destroyed.

I went to bed last night knowing it would be like this today, based on what happened yesterday and the weather forecast.
 
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