California's water woes, solution?

[K1052]

Guess you've missed the threads where Californians were so hyped on HSR and how it must be done now.

What does that have to do with a water shortage?

 

[michal1980]

Stop building oil pipelines like Keystone that sends our oil to other Countries for massive profits while raping Americans and build pipelines that interconnect water resources around the country so we can divert rainwater where it is coming down most to areas where it stopped coming down.

Such a simple thing to do but won't do it because water doesn't make anywhere near the amount of profit that oil does.

Your rant is so stupid. Its not worth any actually thoughtful response.

 

[bradly1101]

Stop building oil pipelines like Keystone that sends our oil to other Countries for massive profits while raping Americans and build pipelines that interconnect water resources around the country so we can divert rainwater where it is coming down most to areas where it stopped coming down.

Such a simple thing to do but won't do it because water doesn't make anywhere near the amount of profit that oil does.

Profit will always outweigh doing things for social good. Nearby in L.A. a vast network of street car track was ripped up in favor of the car and its positive influence on oil profits.

 

[Fern]

Stop building oil pipelines like Keystone that sends our oil to other Countries for massive profits....
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Dave,

The Keystone pipeline is primarily to carry Canadian oil down here. We're not piping it up to them. (Although we do sell them some, but if I understand correctly the pipeline only goes one way. Why would it not? Does it make any sense to build a pipeline to pump crude down here and at the same time pump it back up there too through the same pipeline?)

Also there is a ban on US exports of crude oil. It would probably be a good thing if we could export any excess as it would help with our trade imbalance. In addition, China badly need oil from other countries. Why not get them hooked on our oil supply as we are on their money supply? Who would win in a 'push come to shove' situation?

Fern

 

[Moonbeam]

Guess you've missed the threads where Californians were so hyped on HSR and how it must be done now.

Californians can walk and chew gum.

 

[Fern]

Californians can walk and chew gum.

From what one sees on TV these days that would seem a rather exhaustive list of their talents.

Google Jimmy Kimmel interviewing Californians on their impression of Obama's SOTU address. Interesting that they had such strong and glowing opinions, never mind that the interviews took place days before the SOTU address was actually given. That they seemed to be aware Obama faked a heart attack and was administered defibrillation at the podium was all the more interesting. (Of course, all utter BS but apparently they felt the need to pretend to be informed. I'm sure that never happens here at ATP&N).

And I say this as someone born there.

Fern

 

[Moonbeam]

Just a note to say that I don't have a response but that I read the post.

 

[K1052]

The Keystone pipeline is primarily to carry Canadian oil down here.

By "here" you mean to the Port Arthur refinery complex located in a foreign free trade zone where nearly all of it will be exported as refined product.

I'm actually generally in favor of allowing the pipeline to be built but let's not delude ourselves that it will be to our benefit.

 

[Engineer]

Also there is a ban on US exports of crude oil. It would probably be a good thing if we could export any excess as it would help with our trade imbalance.

I think that has been solved by simply refining the oil and then selling it as gasoline and other refined products. We are exporting over 1 million barrels of gasoline per day (IIRC). Not sure how we have an excess anyway unless we are over-importing oil as we simply produce about half (not sure of exact number) of our own oil right now and import the rest.

 

[Fern]

By "here" you mean to the Port Arthur refinery complex located in a foreign free trade zone where nearly all of it will be exported as refined product.

I'm actually generally in favor of allowing the pipeline to be built but let's not delude ourselves that it will be to our benefit.

Yes, I'm aware of that. I was primarily responding to the claim of the other poster that it was to pipe OUR oil to Canada (or where ever).

Fern

 

[Jaskalas]

For the most part Californians are doing their part to stop breeding, its the illegals that are ruining those plans.

Californians let them in. They invite them. They harbor and abet them. It is proper to lay blame on those whose land it is, for they have decided that an increased population is desired.

Now they get to taste the fruits of that labor.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally Posted by dmcowen674
Stop building oil pipelines like Keystone that sends our oil to other Countries for massive profits....
-snip-

Dave,

The Keystone pipeline is primarily to carry Canadian oil down here. We're not piping it up to them. (Although we do sell them some, but if I understand correctly the pipeline only goes one way. Why would it not? Does it make any sense to build a pipeline to pump crude down here and at the same time pump it back up there too through the same pipeline?)

Also there is a ban on US exports of crude oil. It would probably be a good thing if we could export any excess as it would help with our trade imbalance. In addition, China badly need oil from other countries. Why not get them hooked on our oil supply as we are on their money supply? Who would win in a 'push come to shove' situation?

Fern

Dude, I am well aware of what the Oil Thugs want with that pipeline if you have followed all the articles I have posted about it.

You have it wrong. Should try reading some of the articles.

They will pump that oil to Houston to refine gasoline to export. They will also export the oil of they can get the export ban lifted.

The point is they are raping the shit out of Americans while Americans subsidize the world with our resources.

At least the OPEC Countries reap the rewards of shipping their resources out, we get shit on.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally Posted by Fern
The Keystone pipeline is primarily to carry Canadian oil down here.

By "here" you mean to the Port Arthur refinery complex located in a foreign free trade zone where nearly all of it will be exported as refined product.

I'm actually generally in favor of allowing the pipeline to be built but let's not delude ourselves that it will be to our benefit.

There you go. Someone with a brain.

 

[MagickMan]

Originally Posted by dmcowen674
Stop building oil pipelines like Keystone that sends our oil to other Countries for massive profits....
-snip-




Dude, I am well aware of what the Oil Thugs want with that pipeline if you have followed all the articles I have posted about it.

You have it wrong. Should try reading some of the articles.

They will pump that oil to Houston to refine gasoline to export. They will also export the oil of they can get the export ban lifted.

The point is they are raping the shit out of Americans while Americans subsidize the world with our resources.

At least the OPEC Countries reap the rewards of shipping their resources out, we get shit on.

No proof, just more emotionally-charged "Chicken Little" style action, that's all we ever get from you.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally Posted by dmcowen674
Originally Posted by dmcowen674
Stop building oil pipelines like Keystone that sends our oil to other Countries for massive profits....
-snip-




Dude, I am well aware of what the Oil Thugs want with that pipeline if you have followed all the articles I have posted about it.

You have it wrong. Should try reading some of the articles.

They will pump that oil to Houston to refine gasoline to export. They will also export the oil of they can get the export ban lifted.

The point is they are raping the shit out of Americans while Americans subsidize the world with our resources.

At least the OPEC Countries reap the rewards of shipping their resources out, we get shit on.

No proof, just more emotionally-charged "Chicken Little" style action, that's all we ever get from you.

No proof of what?

Have you read anything on the pipeline?

 

[Fern]

Originally Posted by dmcowen674
-snip-
Have you read anything on the pipeline?

Yes, and contrary to your assertions they are not "shipping our resources out".

They're bringing business to our refineries so they can refine.

You hate seeing Americans get work?

In this case it's Canada outsourcing jobs to us.

Fern

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Desalination works but it's pretty bad for the surrounding sea ecology.

That depends on how it's done. A high salt concentration in the local aquatic environment would not be acceptable.

 

[K1052]

They're bringing business to our refineries so they can refine.

You hate seeing Americans get work?

The economic impact to US is negligible. I really dislike seeing this project be held up by people as some example of creating US jobs when very few long term jobs will actually be created while the shareholders of a couple US oil companies will see a modestly better dividend. That's about the end of it.

We should however allow it to be built because it is in the end legal and our deep economic ties with Canada.

 

[MagickMan]

Originally Posted by dmcowen674

No proof of what?

Have you read anything on the pipeline?

Indeed, I have, it's for bringing in Canadian petroleum to be refined.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Stop watering lawns with drinking supply.

Require that all residential swimming pools have and use covers when not in use.

Fix leaking supply infrastructure.

Comprehensively change statewide building code to require even more efficient fixtures in new construction. Require grey water systems for landscape irrigation in all new development.

Implement and fund a statewide initiative to replace legacy fixtures with low flow ones. Go business to business and house to house if necessary.

Establish reservoirs and along drainage paths near aquifers that can accept forced recharge. Draw on these aquifers when normal sources are low.

Revamp irrigation standards and practices for agriculture.

Good start. The most effective way to solve this is also the easiest, raise the price. Demand seems to be far exceeding supply (thus the water supply is being steadily depleted). Price the water higher to the point where demand decreases enough to stabilize the water supply. Will it suck paying a lot more for water? Sure. But that's the reality of living there.

Given that and the new higher price of water, the rest of your ideas would happen via market incentives. It is all the sudden more imperative and cost effective to fix leaky infrastructure, landscape your yard in plants made for that environment, not plant crops that don't belong there, etc.

I have no doubt that eventually the above will happen. How long until remains to be seen.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally Posted by dmcowen674
Originally Posted by dmcowen674
-snip-
Have you read anything on the pipeline?

Yes, and contrary to your assertions they are not "shipping our resources out".

They're bringing business to our refineries so they can refine.

You hate seeing Americans get work?

In this case it's Canada outsourcing jobs to us.

Fern

Nope, more proof you haven't read a thing on the pipeline.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Egads, I need to get into this patent racket. I thought about this a bit and came up with an idea. I had a peek at Google patents and sure enough someone had something similar if a bit on the non specific side. Actually a whole lot non specific. It took what seemed an obvious concept and listed generic variations which don't offer anything extraordinarily, but would seem to prohibit virtually any effort by others by being extremely broad in scope.

Seriously?

 

[michal1980]

Originally Posted by dmcowen674
Originally Posted by dmcowen674
Stop building oil pipelines like Keystone that sends our oil to other Countries for massive profits....
-snip-




Dude, I am well aware of what the Oil Thugs want with that pipeline if you have followed all the articles I have posted about it.

You have it wrong. Should try reading some of the articles.

They will pump that oil to Houston to refine gasoline to export. They will also export the oil of they can get the export ban lifted.

The point is they are raping the shit out of Americans while Americans subsidize the world with our resources.

At least the OPEC Countries reap the rewards of shipping their resources out, we get shit on.




No proof of what?

Have you read anything on the pipeline?

we are allowing a company to build a pipeline that will ship Canadian oil to wherever they want it shipped.

What resources of ours are we giving away?

 

[dmcowen674]

Indeed, I have, it's for bringing in Canadian petroleum to be refined.

For you and Fern

Start with Wiki

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keystone_Pipeline

Geopolitical issues

An independent study conducted by the Cornell ILR Global Labor Institute refers to some studies (e.g. a 2011 study by Danielle Droitsch of Pembina Institute) according to which "a good portion of the oil that will gush down the KXL will probably end up being finally consumed beyond the territorial United States".

It also states that the project will increase the heavy crude oil price in the Midwestern United States by diverting oil sands oil from the Midwest refineries to the Gulf Coast and export markets.[22]


Economic issues



While the Keystone XL would result in 2,500 to 4,650 temporary construction jobs, this impact will be reduced by higher oil prices in the Midwest, which will likely reduce national employment.


After completion of the Keystone XL line, oil pipelines to the U.S. may run nearly half-empty.



In the United States, Democrats are concerned that Keystone XL would not provide petroleum products for domestic use, but simply facilitate getting Alberta oil sands products to American coastal ports on the Gulf of Mexico for export to China and other countries.[41



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keystone_Pipeline#cite_note-CP22may2013-44

 

[monovillage]

We still have golf courses wasting water, so the situation can't be that bad.

Anybody that opposes building new reservoirs or opposes desalination plants on the coast should never be able to drink clean water again or complain about it.