Call for a ban of AEG members that advertise/troll Video forum.

[linkgoron]

BAN.

Oh and Rollo.
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=31&threadid=1769690&enterthread=y

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: linkgoron
Or maybe I don't work for AEG and get free cards.
No I don't have an x1800, nor am I waiting for the x1900 (not to buy it at least) I'm not even waiting for DX10. I'm actually waiting for 7600 card.
but that's off-topic. The 5800, while having great AF, didn't have enough horse-power to back it up, and that's why it sucked.

QFP

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: linkgoron
Oh, what does QFP mean?

It means Quoted For Permanence, because the last four "smart guys" who threw that "Wah- you're an AEG fanboy stuff" at me were banned, forced to remove it.

I wanted to be sure the mods could see just how "clever" you are Linkgoron! Take it as a compliment!

[/quote]
I think i will take that as a compliment.
Go Away.

 

[Conky]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

Don't worry about that. I can afford any video card I like

You can only "afford" what AEG gives you. Even your "my accountant wife and I are rich so that's how come I can afford so many nVidia cards" is a lie.

AEG has simply been feeding you those 14+ nVidia boards, like food stamp hand-outs.

And to think you were having a go at other people who didn't have the same boards as you. At least they honestly earned what they had rather than being marketing shills.

Yep, he's caught in another lie.

I applaud the Anandtech forums for letting people openly confront this liar.

Other forums are too busy worrying that they won't get anymore Nvidia testing samples for giving these shills the righteous boot out the door they deserve. Anandtech is too big to be bullied by some shills.

 

[Conky]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: BFG10K

Don't worry about that. I can afford any video card I like

You can only "afford" what AEG gives you. Even your "my accountant wife and I are rich so that's how come I can afford so many nVidia cards" is a lie.

AEG has simply been feeding you those 14+ nVidia boards, like food stamp hand-outs.

And to think you were having a go at other people who didn't have the same boards as you. At least they honestly earned what they had rather than being marketing shills.

1. It's not hard to understand. I never said I was "rich" but you don't have to be to buy some video cards, especially if you have two incomes.
2. I spent $1000s on computer hardware last year.

Why are you not banned yet?

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Crazyfool

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: BFG10K

Don't worry about that. I can afford any video card I like

You can only "afford" what AEG gives you. Even your "my accountant wife and I are rich so that's how come I can afford so many nVidia cards" is a lie.

AEG has simply been feeding you those 14+ nVidia boards, like food stamp hand-outs.

And to think you were having a go at other people who didn't have the same boards as you. At least they honestly earned what they had rather than being marketing shills.

1. It's not hard to understand. I never said I was "rich" but you don't have to be to buy some video cards, especially if you have two incomes.
2. I spent $1000s on computer hardware last year.

Why are you not banned yet?

I haven't violated TOS? People generally support freedom of speech? Having people mad you got a couple free/discounted cards and they didn't isn't a crime?

Take your pick.

My style of posting has been the same for a decade, long before I knew anyone at nVidia or AEG.

My guess is my style of posting will be the same long after I know people at nVidia and AEG. There's no law against posting the positives about your favorite company and the negatives about companies you don't prefer.

Simple as that.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: Cooler
Im going to miss rollo. I think he will miss his new cards he will not get anymore.

erm i believe his job or jobs pays well enough for him to buy his own. hes just bought a GTX 512 and a refurb X1800XL

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: Cooler
Im going to miss rollo. I think he will miss his new cards he will not get anymore.

erm i believe his job or jobs pays well enough for him to buy his own. hes just bought a GTX 512 and a refurb X1800XL

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: Wreckage
Can we ban the ATI trolls, er I mean "beta testers" as well?

most of them come across as harmless fans, not like you dedicated AEG whores

Really?

Have you read some of the posts by M0RPH or munky or nts, etc. ?

Yes, they never troll and always present a coherent logical argument. This thread is about getting rid of AEG agents, stay on topic please.

sorry joker i think your a great guy, but M0RPH and coherent logical argument simply dont exist together, that boy will shoot down any Nvidia argument with his ATI pistol

 

[linkgoron]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Crazyfool

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: BFG10K

Don't worry about that. I can afford any video card I like

You can only "afford" what AEG gives you. Even your "my accountant wife and I are rich so that's how come I can afford so many nVidia cards" is a lie.

AEG has simply been feeding you those 14+ nVidia boards, like food stamp hand-outs.

And to think you were having a go at other people who didn't have the same boards as you. At least they honestly earned what they had rather than being marketing shills.

1. It's not hard to understand. I never said I was "rich" but you don't have to be to buy some video cards, especially if you have two incomes.
2. I spent $1000s on computer hardware last year.

Why are you not banned yet?

I haven't violated TOS? People generally support freedom of speech? Having people mad you got a couple free/discounted cards and they didn't isn't a crime?

Take your pick.

My style of posting has been the same for a decade, long before I knew anyone at nVidia or AEG.

My guess is my style of posting will be the same long after I know people at nVidia and AEG. There's no law against posting the positives about your favorite company and the negatives about companies you don't prefer.

Simple as that.

You lied for months, and your you have lost all credibilty. Look at my post (page 4, near the end of the page) where i quoted you, and all that. All those users should get unbanned (the ones you said were banned), and you should be banned. You Lied, got them banned, and again, how can we ever believe anything you say?

 

[tuteja1986]

why is taking so long to make a decision to ban rollo and all the other AEG memebers :! those poor people that accused rollo for being a AEG memeber and they got banned in a instant. We demand justice . Mod better not turn a blind eye and let rollo walk free.

 

[Topweasel]

Originally posted by: tuteja1986
why is taking so long to make a decision to ban rollo and all the other AEG memebers :! those poor people that accused rollo for being a AEG memeber and they got banned in a instant. We demand justice . Mod better not turn a blind eye and let rollo walk free.

Well next to denieing ot be part of a focus group, they have to figure out if he ever lied. To ban him just for recieving free hardware from a manufacturer would be wrong. Wouldn't it sucked if you worked for a company like lets say BB since I know alot of people here do if you say good things about them when you post during your off time you got banned. And that is with actually working for them, we aren't even talking about paid employee but some people who got free stuff, and without proof their is no way to tell if its any more then for personal review.

 

[Conky]

Originally posted by: tuteja1986
why is taking so long to make a decision to ban rollo and all the other AEG memebers :! those poor people that accused rollo for being a AEG memeber and they got banned in a instant. We demand justice . Mod better not turn a blind eye and let rollo walk free.

I was accused of unfairly labeling him an AEG agent and warned I might get banned. Then he turned out to actually be an AEG agent. Imagine how I feel about this, heh.

He deserves banishment simply for his lies and trollish behavior. I have seen him run many honest hardware enthusiasts off of this forum and that is just not right.

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: Rollo
I haven't violated TOS? People generally support freedom of speech? Having people mad you got a couple free/discounted cards and they didn't isn't a crime?

Take your pick.

I pick "Breaking the forums Terms of Service by being a paid advertiser".

http://forums.anandtech.com/reg.aspx

You agree that you will not post any copyrighted material without the express permission of the copyright holder, unless such copyright is owned by you. Advertisements, chain letters, pyramid schemes, and solicitations are also inappropriate on these Forums.

The company you accepted free hardware from is an advertising company and by accepting goods of a definite monetary value, you are therefore one of its paid representatives. As such, any posts you made that benefitted the AEG and its PR contract with nVidia were in violation of the AnandTech TOS regarding advertising.

And before you claim that the AEG isn't an advertising company and simply gives out free hardware for review/evaluation, I offer the following taken from the AEG's website.




http://www.aeginfo.com/about.shtml
We work closely with our clients to create and execute an integrated PR plan to achieve broad coverage in print, online and broadcast media, while utilizing our close ties to online communities to support and amplify the marketing and PR impact.

Contact us today to find out how our tactics can help heat up buzz around your product, helping your company succeed and exceed its sales targets.

http://www.aeginfo.com/blog
AEG - MUSINGS AND NEWS
Here you'll find various PR tips and tricks, new client announcements and other news we feel could be of interest to those visiting AEG's website.

http://www.aeginfo.com/services.shtml
COMMUNITY RELATIONS
- Fan site development and monitoring
- FSK (Fan Site Kit)
- Community management
- Message board monitoring and response
- Strategic seeding viral assets to ensure they are spread far and wide
- Optimization and re-purposing of existing content, creative and assets[/quote]


To summarize, you were paid for creating your pro-nVidia/anti-ATI posts. Whether or not you would have done so without the incentive of free hardware is irrelevent.

You are a paid employee of AEG, posted information that directly benefitted your sponsoring company and thus broke the AnandTech Forums TOS. What the Moderators decide should be your punishment for this transgression is up to them, but it's pretty clear what the AT population at large is in favor of.

 

[nRollo]

BTW-
In regard to my credibility:

If I tell you the 7900GTX will be out soon at a comparable MSRP, smart money listens.

If I tell you nVidia has a beta fix for the Far Cry shadow bug, smart people listen.

If I post benchmarks, they're verifiable by comparison to other reviews, or with your own hardware.

If I post something is wrong with ATI hardware, I link my source.

Know why? Because I'm not just some guy guessing like my detractors. In your outrage that I got some of my parts free, you seem to forget that having someone willing to forward your concerns to, and post info from, one of the two companies you have a choice of isn't necessarily a BAD thing.

:beer:

 

[Conky]

Originally posted by: Rollo
BTW-
In regard to my credibility:

If I tell you the 7900GTX will be out soon at a comparable MSRP, smart money listens.

If I tell you nVidia has a beta fix for the Far Cry shadow bug, smart people listen.

If I post benchmarks, they're verifiable by comparison to other reviews, or with your own hardware.

If I post something is wrong with ATI hardware, I link my source.

Know why? Because I'm not just some guy guessing like my detractors. In your outrage that I got some of my parts free, you seem to forget that having someone willing to forward your concerns to, and post info from, one of the two companies you have a choice of isn't necessarily a BAD thing.

:beer:

Your credibility is poop. You viciously attacked anyone who dared to disagree on anything and you claimed you paid for your own videocards when you later admitted you got them for free.

You are a liar.

Did I miss anything?

 

[linkgoron]

Originally posted by: Rollo
BTW-
In regard to my credibility:

If I tell you the 7900GTX will be out soon at a comparable MSRP, smart money listens.

If I tell you nVidia has a beta fix for the Far Cry shadow bug, smart people listen.

If I post benchmarks, they're verifiable by comparison to other reviews, or with your own hardware.

If I post something is wrong with ATI hardware, I link my source.

Know why? Because I'm not just some guy guessing like my detractors. In your outrage that I got some of my parts free, you seem to forget that having someone willing to forward your concerns to, and post info from, one of the two companies you have a choice of isn't necessarily a BAD thing.

:beer:

As usual you twist everything we say.
I Don't care if you get your cards for free, and that's not my problem. You always think that if we don't like what you're saying its becuase you've got cards and we don't.
It's wrong because you are getting free cards for advetrising them. You LIED to all of us, and stop ignoring posts that say so. You also got users BANNED (or vacationed, or warned, for saying you're with AEG, when in fact you really were.

I'm also sure that if you get banned from the boards you won't get any more free cards. Oh, but wait, why should they stop sending you cards if you're just a beta-tester?

Just look at how much PR you've done for AEG and nVidia in these threads(in video especially). How you defend them, and don't tell me thousands of dollars worth of hardware isn't payment. Not to mention that all of you "A friend at nVidia told me" was probably all from AEG, and basically advrtisment for the new cards that weren't released yet. We've also seen how much negative posts you've done for ATi. Sure you may say some good words for ATi, but those are usually one-two sentence posts.

At least the other guys that worked for AEG admited that they became biased. You just keep on lying to us saying that you're balanced and all that, and maybe even to yourself. I don't know. Not to mention, telling people to get the 7800GTX 512 instead of the x1900XT/X.

 

[tuteja1986]

remember the 7800GTX 512MB thread rollo or thoes crazy ATI outrages thread or the latest 7800GTX 512MB where you try to justify that a 7800GTX 512MB at $750 is a better deal and under priced.

 

[M0RPH]

Originally posted by: Crazyfool

Your credibility is poop. You viciously attacked anyone who dared to disagree on anything and you claimed you paid for your own videocards when you later admitted you got them for free.

You are a liar.

Did I miss anything?

He could have salvaged some self-respect if he would have fessed up when the original story on AEG came out and so many people asked whether he was involved. Instead he ridiculed anyone who even suggested that he might be part of the program and even tried to get people banned (even succeeding in some cases from what I hear?) Inexcusable, deplorable behavior, IMO.

 

[orangat]

Exactly. The continuous lying and snide remarks has him sinking to new depths.

Continually - Lying about not receiving free HW, lying about affiliations, scheming to get mod privs for his hidden AEG agenda, scheming in getting others banned, slanted Nvidia/ATI threads etc.

AT should do the right thing and let those people start over with 0 post count. Let them bring it up to 5,000 within a month or two.

At the very least, AEG member names should be in a sticky at the forum.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: M0RPH

Originally posted by: Crazyfool

Your credibility is poop. You viciously attacked anyone who dared to disagree on anything and you claimed you paid for your own videocards when you later admitted you got them for free.

You are a liar.

Did I miss anything?

He could have salvaged some self-respect if he would have fessed up when the original story on AEG came out and so many people asked whether he was involved. Instead he ridiculed anyone who even suggested that he might be part of the program and even tried to get people banned (even succeeding in some cases from what I hear?) Inexcusable, deplorable behavior, IMO.

In Anandtech's defense, I don't believe those people were banned "just" for the AEG accusations. It was the manner in which they did it that probably got the most of the mods attention. Being right about AEG affiliation and accusing is one thing, but the cursing and insults used while doing it is quite another and that is what probably earned at least a few of them their vacations. LikeLinus would be one example that I remember clearly. He actually started a thread with Rollo's first name in the title because Rollo blocked his PM's. LikeLinus threw a tantrum and blatantly called Rollo out and the insults were truly amazing. So amazing that he quickly edited out every post he made in that thread, but not before I quoted them all and presented them to the mods.
So, there was more to the vacations than just AEG accusations IMHO. Maybe you could ask a mod if they would clarify what these people were banned for so we could stop singing they got banned for AEG accusations alone.

EDIT: Oh, and I would suggest you all stop the "witch hunt" mentality. Now we know Rollo was affiliated with Nvidia/AEG. If you don't know for sure if anyone else is, don't accuse.
This is kind of directed at Sickbeast because he said he just sent a list of names he "thinks" is affiliated with AEG. He could be dead wrong about those people, but still get named to the mods for "investigation". Not fair, not just. Uncool. He didn't show us the list of names, so we don't know who he is potentially accusing.

 

[Icepick]

Originally posted by: Crazyfool
If this is a petition consider me signed.

Rollo needs to go. He has been the turd in the video punchbowl for far too long.

His admission of being part of the AEG advertising program is just the cherry on top of why he needs to go.

Sign me up as well. He and the other AEG members need to go. Unfortunately, I see that he's still posting as of 09:04 AM EST this morning. However, I am fully confident that justice will be meted out here without too much hesitation.

BTW, I've seen Rollo post under the same user ID over at HardForum as well as a few other respected hardware sites. I'm going over there to raise a warning flag as well, if it has not been done already.

 

[allisolm]

Posted by Rollo: "Dude, all I've ever said is that I have a friend who went to work there, and that I can sometimes get a really good deal on engineering samples from them if they have extras."

That may be all Rollo ever SAID, but it sure wasn't what actually happened.

Posted by Rollo: "OK, does that mean they (AEG) are using every one of those tactics for nVidia? Who knows. Does that mean they're using those tactics here, or on any board we've heard of? Who knows? Which tactics? Which boards? Which members? What was asked of the members? Who knows.

Rollo knew.

Posted by Rollo: "Where exactly does nVidia state they employ AEG to use viral marketing?"

I guess they don't have to - Rollo did it for them:
"I know people at nVidia, and AEG, and neither has asked me to post anything other than what I really think about materials both have supplied me."
AEG supplied Rollo with materials and asked him to post about them, and that's viral marketing.

Rollo posted: "You, and no one here, is in a position to "punish" me. It's pretty funny you're ignorant enough to think a "crime" has been committed and some "authorities" will "put things to right", but the fact of the matter is we're allowed to pretty much speak our minds no matter what our motivation."

I suppose it depends on the definition of "punish" but the mods are certainly in a position to act as "authorities" who can "put things to right" as they see "right" in these forums, and no, we're NOT allowed to pretty much speak our minds if speaking our minds goes against what the mods think is acceptable.

I can't help but be reminded of the commercial that said "It's not nice to fool Mother Nature." It also may turn out to be not so nice to fool the members and the moderators. I guess we'll see what the mods decide to do.

 

[Icepick]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

EDIT: Oh, and I would suggest you all stop the "witch hunt" mentality. Now we know Rollo was affiliated with Nvidia/AEG. If you don't know for sure if anyone else is, don't accuse.
This is kind of directed at Sickbeast because he said he just sent a list of names he "thinks" is affiliated with AEG. He could be dead wrong about those people, but still get named to the mods for "investigation". Not fair, not just. Uncool. He didn't show us the list of names, so we don't know who he is potentially accusing.

If SickBeast has hard evidence that others are engaged in this behavior it would be well worth it to hear him out. I, for one will be curious to see this. Forum members should at least know if there are ulterior motives behind the "advice" given. Especially for n00bs who come to this site looking for solid advice for purchasing expensive equipment. This forum must be policed to uphold the respect it has earned among the international enthusiast community.

 

[John Reynolds]

You know, I'm not sure banning Rollo is the right thing to do. I'm fairly new here, though a long-time lurker, so maybe I don't feel as protective of this forum as some of you other guys who've been around for far longer, but at this point no one will ever take anything Rollo says insofar as graphics technology is concerned with anything but a huge grain of salt. So with that in mind he's pretty harmless at this point in time.

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: Wreckage
Can we ban the ATI trolls, er I mean "beta testers" as well?

most of them come across as harmless fans, not like you dedicated AEG whores

Really?

Have you read some of the posts by M0RPH or munky or nts, etc. ?

AND? Are you suggesting that anyone not blindly following your Nv trolling is an Ati shill? Or are you still gonna call me a hypocrite because I said to wait out a $1000 ghost card but I did not say wait out a $500-600 widely available card? Get a clue, Wrinkage. The more Nv trolling you do, the more I'm gonna debunk your ridiculous posts. You may think you're on a crusade to stop all the Ati trolls, but given your lack of technical knowledge and self-admitted Nv bias, you're the least qualified person to be giving any kind of advice or undertake some self-righteous anti-fanATIc crusade.

 

[sellmen]

I'd like to add my 2 cents...

I do feel that confirmed AEG members should be banned. Don't make it a witch hunt - don't ban everyone that leans towards Nvidia. But the confirmed members must be banned, IMO.

AEG members are advertisers, plain and simple. They get compensated by Nvidia, through AEG, for pushing their products. The fact that they do so discreetly, prending to be "just enthusiasts", only makes this worse.

Now that Rollo's motivations have became clear, I'm not sure what you can do except ban him. If you let him stay, every thread he starts will be an instant flamefest. The video forum is already pretty bad - only P&N has more flaming. If the AEG members continue to post, it'll only get worse; the "shill!" cries will only get louder.

I'm not sure who was banned for linking Rollo with AEG in the past, but you should look into reinstating them. Unless, of course, they were just blantantly trolling, in which case the bans might be appropriate.

Also - please get mods for the video forum. They are sorely needed.