Somebody enlighten me, as I never played much COD4 MP: what is so special about it that everyone uses it as a measuring stick?
Is it just because it was the first "modern" FPS MP experience?
Somebody enlighten me, as I never played much COD4 MP: what is so special about it that everyone uses it as a measuring stick?
Is it just because it was the first "modern" FPS MP experience?
The key to CoD 4's success was the maps more than anything. They blew MW2/Black Ops maps out of the water.
Hardcore HQ is alright. Didn't play much of the regular. (I don't think it was in team tactical either?)
Is anybody else on 360 experiencing game issues? I'm having trouble getting into and staying in games. I've had to re-setup my entire wireless network recently, so I'm unsure if it's me or the system.
Is anybody else on 360 experiencing game issues? I'm having trouble getting into and staying in games. I've had to re-setup my entire wireless network recently, so I'm unsure if it's me or the system.
It was definitely me. I'm pretty sure I had host most of the night and for a while I couldn't make it through a match without a "Connection Interrupted" and then the lobby closed. At first I was playing in a small group with some really bad players, so I wasn't sure if they were dashboarding. Then it happened on a large TDM match, I knew it was my setup.I've had quite a few host migrations these past couple of days, but that's it.
I think the problems with the spawning stem mostly from the maps themselves. Theyre far more messy than the clean MW2 map designs, and thus there's a lot of little nooks and crannys that become valid spawn points.
COD4's spawning was fine, WaWs was as silly as BO, MW2 was fine...and BO is silly. There's obviously code sharing going on between them, so its probably not the code itself, but the maps that code is applied to.
I've been hearing the same complaints about spawning since COD4. People complained about being spawned into an airstrike, claymore, heli path all the time in COD4. They also complained about how the spawn system allowed teams to get backed into corners with no way out. In Crash, for example, you could back a team back into one of the original two spawn locations. This was true for all COD4 maps.
When MW2 came along, people complained incessantly about opponents spawning into areas that were just cleared or even right behind you. All of which was entirely true, and entirely frustrating.
BO isn't any different. With every game comes a refresh of the same complaints, but things always look better in hindsight.
Truth be told, I don't have any problem with any of the games' spawns, though I preferred COD4's because it allowed for good teams to control the map. Note that COD4's was the most unrefined system of them all, because they took deliberate measures to kill this phenomena in MW2, because most people bitched up a storm about it. Likewise, go back back through the MW2 thread here and you'll see people complaining about bad guys being spawned from their "loins" and "assholes". MW2 was notorious for having people spawn right behind you.
No offense to you personally BD, but it's funny when people look back and say "oh that game was fine." Everything you're saying is wrong with this game's spawn system has been brought up with every release since COD4. None of this is new.
I think the problems with the spawning stem mostly from the maps themselves. Theyre far more messy than the clean MW2 map designs, and thus there's a lot of little nooks and crannys that become valid spawn points.
COD4's spawning was fine, WaWs was as silly as BO, MW2 was fine...and BO is silly. There's obviously code sharing going on between them, so its probably not the code itself, but the maps that code is applied to.
I think the problems with the spawning stem mostly from the maps themselves. Theyre far more messy than the clean MW2 map designs, and thus there's a lot of little nooks and crannys that become valid spawn points.
COD4's spawning was fine, WaWs was as silly as BO, MW2 was fine...and BO is silly. There's obviously code sharing going on between them, so its probably not the code itself, but the maps that code is applied to.
no no no no no. MW2 spawn system was the worst I've ever seen. I can't even count the number of times I was killed by someone I had just killed, so quickly that I actually saw them getting killed by me as part of my own killcam.
From everything I've read, the spawn system in BO (not sure if was true for the other games) assigns a "quality" rating to all potential spawn points when you're about to spawn. It does it's best to spawn you "clean," but if the best available spawn point happens to be under a chopper, well, sucks to be you.
MW2 wasn't any better. I still play it, and just the other day I was spawned right under a Harrier. Got killed, naturally, and spawned under the fucking thing again. Dead. Again.
I don't think map design has anything to do with it (and I'd hardly call MW2's maps "clean" - maps like Favela, Quarry, and Karachi are nothing but eye candy). The fact is, we're playing a military sim on relatively small battlegrounds. When you spawn into a war, there shall be bullets.
WTF?
That's the same logic they used 10 years ago.
WTF?
And BTW- Best at "clean spawning" is bullshit. I've seen my replays where I spawn in a napalm fire where a whole section of the map has nobody and nothing in it. Stop believing bullshit.
No, it wasn't. Go look at the MW2 thread and see all the complaints, and see if you still believe what you just wrote. The only game with acceptable spawn locations was MW. I think a lot of it has to do with actual map styles because I doubt there's any maps that were as balanced as MW was.